Our summer recruitment

[Silverdaz]

They do Col, without a question. I've been disappointed with most of them - I always had suspicions about RDL but it's mainly the likes of Drinkwater who've disappointed me. I really thought he would take to this league but so far he's been a passenger, but like I say, he's yet to be used in the same formation/game plan that he was last year. Him & James are used to having options out wide to pass to which they simply didn't have at the weekend.

 

I will concede we are in trouble when we've tried to at least play the kind of football we did last season and it's still not bringing us the results.

 

It's just a shame that the next game is probably going to be lost no matter what we do. We were good last year but Southampton are on a completely different level at the minute.

 

 

Were you actually at any of the games? Newcastle were literally no better than most of the teams we played last year (they in fairness have been very good since though), Burnley neither, Swansea I concede we'd have probably lost, the others I'm not so sure. It's all ifs and buts but I think you're under-estimating us. We could attack bloody well last season.

 

So in other words you're actually supporting the way we're playing lately. If the last five games isn't enough evidence that playing a more conservative game isn't what benefits us then I don't know what is.

 

Adapting is a losers mentality.

Yes I have been to all the games home and away this season and yes Newcastle were poor that day you could tell they have more quality players than us and look more comfortable in possesion than us which will come as we get more experience in the Prem and I think you answered your won question there when you have said we attacked bloody well last season thats because we were in the championship against inferior teams so it is bound to be easier to attack in the championship

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Well we are currently playing defensively and going down as it stands. I would rather us play our own game than go out with a wimper worrying too much about other teams, especially when you are playing teams from around 8th/10th down.

I agree. This being the case, then it is down to bad management, as Pearson makes these decisions.

[Dan]

If you put that Newcastle team in the championship there points total wouldn't be far from ours, probably higher.

 

Sissoko, Tiote, Taylor, Collochini, Krul, Janmaat Cabella, Colback, Santon (is he still there?), Cisse would walk into any championship side. Dummet, Arrons, Obertan and Perez probably would as well.

 

I would bet significant money that Pardew managing that team would not get close to 100 points.

 

Yes I have been to all the games home and away this season and yes Newcastle were poor that day you could tell they have more quality players than us and look more comfortable in possesion than us which will come as we get more experience in the Prem and I think you answered your won question there when you have said we attacked bloody well last season thats because we were in the championship against inferior teams so it is bound to be easier to attack in the championship

 

I couldn't on that day. They made as many basic errors as we did. The goal was well taken but we invited it ourselves.

 

I would understand your point if we were cancelling teams out and getting a few draws but we aren't. Our form in both performances and results since that Man Utd win is form of a side who would finish 20th. I cannot see what we are gaining from trying to match the opposition. You don't seriously think we'd have only taken one point from our last five if we'd played a pacey 4-4-2 like last year do you?

[filbertway]

I would bet significant money that Pardew managing that team would not get close to 100 points.

 

If Chris Houghton can get them up with 102 points I reckon Pards could manage it. Not that it's saying much, me or you could probably manage it to be fair.

[Babylon]

I agree. This being the case, then it is down to bad management, as Pearson makes these decisions.

Of course it is, I'm not sure that's in dispute at the moment really.

[Rialto 290352]

As with any organisation its hard to know what the owners allowed Pearson to do by way of transfer spending over the Summer.  Common sense suggests that, unless he is deluded, he must have wanted to strengthen the squad more than he did?  Certainly the clubs salary policy probably did not help him plus with the club being newly promoted.  Certainly Dyer was never replaced and it would be interesting to know whether Pearson really wanted to keep him?  After all what is a years salary compared to what he offered us by way of something different?  I suspect that the owners are going to be having a think at whether to replace Pearson next month or not?  Thus giving a new manager a month or so to assess the current squad before spending money in January?  

 

  

[AyewJoking]

Pearson probably thought Lloyd would snap his hand off for a one year deal but the cheeky bástard wanted 2!!

 

I also think Pearson was responsible for any wage cap because he needed to remain in charge instead of paying big wages on big ego's.

 

Lets not forget our owners probably know as much about football as us so perhaps they just trusted Pearson and let him do it his way.

[Babylon]

Pearson probably thought Lloyd would snap his hand off for a one year deal but the cheeky bástard wanted 2!!

 

I also think Pearson was responsible for any wage cap because he needed to remain in charge instead of paying big wages on big ego's.

 

Lets not forget our owners probably know as much about football as us so perhaps they just trusted Pearson and let him do it his way.

All of which is utter guess work, so if you are holding any of that against Pearson it's all pretty useless as far as reasons go.

[ImBlue]

All of which is utter guess work, so if you are holding any of that against Pearson it's all pretty useless as far as reasons go.

It is guesswork, and we will never know any different. The board however will know, and if it's stopped up bringing in sufficient quality, he will be held accountable.

[AyewJoking]

All of which is utter guess work, so if you are holding any of that against Pearson it's all pretty useless as far as reasons go.

 

whats important here is I kind of imagined those things happening in my mind so its all true now.

[Thracian]

What resources would they be?

The reality is we don't know the budget and FFP has changed the landscape a bit with regards teams going up and spending a shit load.

Until clubs see whether the league have teeth and are willing to use them with regards FFP then it's a huge risk to go up and spend loads.

We don't know if the owners want to spend a shit load after already taking a £80/£100m thump on the chin. They may be happy to have the club run under its own steam.

People scoffed when John Percy said the budget was £10m and a wage cap of £30k. Well by the looks of it we spent exactly £10m and £30k thing doesn't look too wide of the mark either.

 

 

It's what we spent it on that counts, not how much. Some guys get diamonds for a few bob. We've got one, so far,  lame duck in Upson, a winger who's hardly been seen, a few guys who might be okay for the future (if we have one in the Premiership), a striker who's gone off the boil (not necessarily his fault) and Cambiasso who's not nearly as good as I hoped he'd be.

 

Just keeping Dyer would have been potentially more exciting from what  I've seen so far but, either way, it doesn't look as if we've got much for the money. In fact it seemed we were almost panic buying as the transfer window closed.         

[Guest Col city fan]

It's what we spent it on that counts, not how much. Some guys get diamonds for a few bob. We've got one, so far, lame duck in Upson, a winger who's hardly been seen, a few guys who might be okay for the future (if we have one in the Premiership), a striker who's gone off the boil (not necessarily his fault) and Cambiasso who's not nearly as good as I hoped he'd be.

Just keeping Dyer would have been potentially more exciting from what I've seen so far but, either way, it doesn't look as if we've got much for the money. In fact it seemed we were almost panic buying as the transfer window closed.

Just the point I was trying to make. You just make it better. It looks like we have made some bizarre signings?

Albrighton looks bang average, Upson?, Simmo aint even started. Cambi.. I'm surprised people are still convinced he's class..then again, no I'm not.

We just haven't got clearly better. Thats the strange thing

[fuchsntf]

Just the point I was trying to make. You just make it better. It looks like we have made some bizarre signings?

Albrighton looks bang average, Upson?, Simmo aint even started. Cambi.. I'm surprised people are still convinced he's class..then again, no I'm not.

11We just haven't got clearly better. Thats the strange thing

Rarely disagree with you, but so we keep things exciting, this time I do ,unless there is some misunderstanding.

Whether Cambiasso has played well or not, is split on these threads, but one thing is for sure hes class, he has proved himself, if not yet at city.

[Babylon]

It's what we spent it on that counts, not how much. Some guys get diamonds for a few bob.

I'm fairly sure that you know there is more often than not a correlation between price and quality, that's pretty basic stuff.

Do you really think it's possible to constantly buy quality players for virtually nothing? Perhaps you should read Steve Walsh's article from his time at Hull about constantly being expected to pull rabbits out of the hat.

Could you point me in the direction of which premier league manager is doing so on a regular basis and spending almost nothing?

[maddog]

I'm fairly sure that you know there is more often than not a correlation between price and quality, that's pretty basic stuff.

Although probably not as you live in the land of make believe where players cost nothing, are all amazing, play amazing football and rise up the league with ease.

Do you really think it's possible to constantly buy quality players for virtually nothing? Perhaps you should read Steve Walsh's article from his time at Hull about constantly being expected to pull rabbits out of the hat.

Could you point me in the direction of which premier league manager is doing so on a regular basis and spending almost nothing?

Sean Dyche.

[Babylon]

Sean Dyche.

He bought 100 players for £5m you know!!

[Bettsj2]

I'm fairly sure that you know there is more often than not a correlation between price and quality, that's pretty basic stuff.

Although probably not as you live in the land of make believe where players cost nothing, are all amazing, play amazing football and rise up the league with ease.

Do you really think it's possible to constantly buy quality players for virtually nothing? Perhaps you should read Steve Walsh's article from his time at Hull about constantly being expected to pull rabbits out of the hat.

Could you point me in the direction of which premier league manager is doing so on a regular basis and spending almost nothing?

Tony Pulis at Palace.

Martin Kelly (Liverpool, £1.5m), Fraizer Campbell (Cardiff City, £900,000), Chris Kettings (Blackpool), Brede Hangeland (Fulham), Zeki Fryers (Tottenham, Undisclosed), Andrew Johnson (Queens Park Rangers), Danny Gabbidon (Cardiff City).

All of the above would have given us more quality and options than we have now for a budget that would fall in to what you're talking about.

[Guest ttfn]

Tony Pulis at Palace.

Martin Kelly (Liverpool, £1.5m), Fraizer Campbell (Cardiff City, £900,000), Chris Kettings (Blackpool), Brede Hangeland (Fulham), Zeki Fryers (Tottenham, Undisclosed), Andrew Johnson (Queens Park Rangers), Danny Gabbidon (Cardiff City).

All of the above would have given us more quality and options than we have now for a budget that would fall in to what you're talking about.

Jesus Christ it's come to something when Andy fvcking Johnson is the answer to our prayers.

 

Besides we've already got Vardy to dive for all our penalties so he'd be redundant.

[Babylon]

Tony Pulis at Palace.

Martin Kelly (Liverpool, £1.5m), Fraizer Campbell (Cardiff City, £900,000), Chris Kettings (Blackpool), Brede Hangeland (Fulham), Zeki Fryers (Tottenham, Undisclosed), Andrew Johnson (Queens Park Rangers), Danny Gabbidon (Cardiff City).

All of the above would have given us more quality and options than we have now for a budget that would fall in to what you're talking about.

Aaaaaaahahahahaha... you mean Palace who currently sit on the same points as we do? Have a word, Tony Pulis is well known to be one of the biggest culprits of wasting money around. Go and speak to some Stoke fans.

 

****ing Andrew Johnson    

 

Andrew Johnson 0 Appearances 0 Goals.

Danny Gabbidon was at Palace before he joined

Ezekiel Fryers 1 Appearance

Kettings 0 appearances

Campbell we were in for anyway.

 

So your list comes down to two defenders... and palace hat let in three more goals than us.

[Bettsj2]

Aaaaaaahahahahaha... you mean Palace who currently sit on the same points as we do? Have a word, Tony Pulis is well known to be one of the biggest culprits of wasting money around. Go and speak to some Stoke fans.

****ing Andrew Johnson

Andrew Johnson 0 Appearances 0 Goals.

Danny Gabbidon was at Palace before he joined

Ezekiel Fryers 1 Appearance

Kettings 0 appearances

Campbell we were in for anyway.

So your list comes down to two defenders... and palace hat let in three more goals than us.

If Pulis was still there they would have more points. Skip round it all you like but Kelly, Fryers and Haangeland all would walk into our defence at the moment and Campbell and Johnson would give us good options up front that currently we just do not have.

I dont need to speak to Stoke fans. Like you say, go on what I know, and I know that Pulis kept Stoke in the Prem for how many years?? That alone shows that he knew what he was doing.

Pulis would be better for us than Pearson and its so painful reading posts from people that cant or dont want to see it.

[Babylon]

a) If Pulis was still there they would have more points. b) Skip round it all you like but Kelly, Fryers and Haangeland all would walk into our defence at the moment and  c) Campbell and Johnson would give us good options up front that currently we just do not have.

d) I dont need to speak to Stoke fans. Like you say, go on what I know, and I know that Pulis kept Stoke in the Prem for how many years?? That alone shows that he knew what he was doing.

e) Pulis would be better for us than Pearson and its so painful reading posts from people that cant or dont want to see it.

 

I'll break it down for you to help you understand.

 

a) You do not know that, they could be bottom for all you know. He's not there is he, he binned them off a couple of days before the season before they weren't chucking money at him to spend. And this is the bloke you said is great at finding bargains.

 

b) Skip around it, they have conceded THREE more goals than we have. So on what basis can you even say they would walk into our team?

 

c) We tried to sign Campbell, so if you think he's great at spotting wonderful cheap signings like that... then so are we. I'm sorry but if you think Johnson would be worth having you are on a different planet.

 

d) This isn't about the merits of Tony Pulis and his management, it's about summer recruitment. You listed a load of player who haven't added much to Palace by the looks of it, and are bigging up a man who walked out because they wouldn't give him shit loads to spend. A man who stoke fans said wasted a shit load of cash on average players.

 

e) Once again, you are just using opinion as fact. What is painful is seeing idiots posting shit just because they don't like the manager.

[Bettsj2]

I'll break it down for you to help you understand.

a) You do not know that, they could be bottom for all you know. He's not there is he, he binned them off a couple of days before the season before they weren't chucking money at him to spend. And this is the bloke you said is great at finding bargains.

b) Skip around it, they have conceded THREE more goals than we have. So on what basis can you even say they would walk into our team?

c) We tried to sign Campbell, so if you think he's great at spotting wonderful cheap signings like that... then so are we. I'm sorry but if you think Johnson would be worth having you are on a different planet.

d) This isn't about the merits of Tony Pulis and his management, it's about summer recruitment. You listed a load of player who haven't added much to Palace by the looks of it, and are bigging up a man who walked out because they wouldn't give him shit loads to spend. A man who stoke fans said wasted a shit load of cash on average players.

e) Once again, you are just using opinion as fact. What is painful is seeing idiots posting shit just because they don't like the manager.

Its not my opinion that Pulis kept Stoke (or Palace for that matter) in the Premiership. That is actual fact. Stoke fans saying he wasted money in the process is in fact, opinion.

Regards Campbell, again, yes we were in for him and he chose Palace, another fact. I class that as a failing in our transfers.

You are quite right to say that it is only my opinion that Fryers, Kelly and Haangeland would be an improvement on Konchesky, Was and RDL, but it is only your opinion to say they wouldnt so are they not equally relevant?

I'm not sure why you always have to resort to name calling when someone disagrees with your point of view? I didnt start this thread so obviously other people arent happy with how things went in the summer and I'm definitely not the only one questioning whether Pearson should remain in charge.

A different view doesnt make you an idiot Babs and a different viewpoint to yours isn't automatically shit.

Grow up a bit.

[babylad92]

Grow up a bit.

 

see below 

 

Stick to Tellytubbies you massive bellend.

 

Grow up a bit mate. 

[Babylon]

Its not my opinion that Pulis kept Stoke (or Palace for that matter) in the Premiership. That is actual fact.

You didn't say that though did you, you said they would be in a better position than they are now, that's not a fact.

 

Stoke fans saying he wasted money in the process is in fact, opinion.

 Wilson Palacious (£8m), Cameron Jerome (£4m), Kightly (£3m, Shea (£3m), Geoff Cameron (£2m), Kenwyne Jones (£9m) Kitson £6m, Tongue (£3m)... the list just goes on and on and on and on. That's fact.

Regards Campbell, again, yes we were in for him and he chose Palace, another fact. I class that as a failing in our transfers.

 

Again, you seem to be missing the point. You said he can pick out bargains, we picked out the same player. You blamed Pearson for him not signing in another thread, when you have nothing to back it up, again.

You are quite right to say that it is only my opinion that Fryers, Kelly and Haangeland would be an improvement on Konchesky, Was and RDL, but it is only your opinion to say they wouldnt so are they not equally relevant?

 

You see the difference if, I look at the facts we have and can't come to the conclusion that they are better than what we have. They are on the same points as us and let in three more goals than us... so I ask again, what exactly have they done so far to for you to come to your conclusion?

A different view doesnt make you an idiot Babs and a different viewpoint to yours isn't automatically shit.

Actually a different view point can make you an idiot. Because there are opinions based on sound logic and opinions based on absolutely nothing at all.

Grow up a bit.

Says the man trawling around the board trying to find any made up reason he can to bash Pearson.

Grow up a bit mate. 

Ha ha... you got him there.

[Bettsj2]

Ha ha... you got him there.

Indeed he did!

I'm not trawling, I'm genuinely displeased with the situation at the moment and as this board is a fans forum, this is where you come to vent such frustrations?

The quoting of what Pulis paid for various players I cant see the relevance of. Those players contributed to the maintenance of their Premier league status so whilst, some Stoke fans would say the signings were a waste of money, I personally cant see how they have come to that conclusion. They were a waste because they contributed to their Premiership survival? Stoke currently sit in 13th position so the players and style that Hughes has brought in have not really changed their overall position?

With regards to Campbell I think you're deliberatly missing the point. This thread is about our summer transfer activity and whether or not we're happy about it. In the case of Campbell, he was a player we identified, bid for, had a bid accepted for, negotiated with and missed out on to a rival. No i'm not happy with that. He was a player that would give us a different option up front that at the moment is lacking. I dont ever recall saying I admired Pulis for spotting a bargain and if I insinuated it anywhere, i've led you up the wrong path of the point i'm making. Again the point of the thread is are we happy with the transfer dealings and the answer is in this case no.

Regarding the defenders, we lack depth at centre half and at left back. We have no options. If we'd have signed Kelly, Haangeland and Fryers, just one of them, two of them or all, we would have more options.

To isolate this, lets take Fryers. Natural left back with a good amount of pace and at an age where improvement via good coaching will give a decent re-sale value. Exactly the kind of player Pearson himself said we wanted and he's also in a position that we need.

Again, you're right, there is no way of knowing whether if we had signed him, whether or not he would have worked out but I bring you back once again to the purpose of the thread. Are you happy that we didnt sign a left back in the summer? Who could we have signed at LB? Fryers.

Etc etc.

Now you asked for an example of a team that were operating in a similar market to us and i've given you that example. You are right again in saying that I cant claim that if Pulis was still there they'd be higher again thats conjecture, however his past history suggests they would and he signed those players with a plan in mind which they are now not operating under so one could argue this to be one of the reasons for their position but again, conjecture, just as you counter claiming my words is conjecture despite you claiming it to be fact.

I assume you've been watching football for a similar amount of time to me so assume you know as well as I do there are no gaurantees with anything in the game, all you can do is take the course of action that gives you the best chance and I feel that our transfer dealings in the summer, have certainly not given us the best chance of surviving and we're currently paying that penalty.