Danno Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 How is it more assured? We average 2 a game with the stupid back 5.play 5 to hide Morgan's woeful defendingWe've played about 3 games with it.
harpendenfox Posted 23 February 2015 Author Posted 23 February 2015 Not sure you quite understand sports science or the meaning of data. I've merely presented a set of statistics to back up my opinion. You don't need to agree with me, but why bother to simply be rude?
HankMarvin Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 I've merely presented a set of statistics to back up my opinion. You don't need to agree with me, but why bother to simply be rude? Dont worry if its not pro Pearson or the topic undermines him, you will always get posts like this, its almost similar to the way a man would stick up for his gf
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 Why has Hamer been dropped? Is he injured?
Corky Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 I'd like Kasper to be back, he is capable of playing some fine games and we're going to need them. Maybe this break has done him some good, being out of the limelight?
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 Another thread about goalkeepers. Definitely necessary. What usually happens is someone starts a thread saying something like "HAMER 3 CLEAN SHEETS KASPER LESS SCHWARZER NONE PRETTY OBVIOUS WHO SHOULD BE IN GOAL", abandon the thread when people point out the many flaws in their argument and then begin or contribute to the next thread on the same topic, making precisely the same arguments that have been refuted and dismantled a thousand times before. The pool of data is too small to draw meaningful conclusions from statistics, clean sheets are massively unreliable indicators of goalkeeper performance, and many other other phenomena (like regression toward the mean *yawn*) account for the apparent change in form while Hamer was in goal. But none of these things seem to register. To all of you trying to deliver a reasoned argument with a sense of proportion and perspective, good luck. Prepare to be called a Hamer-bashing div for noticing the terrible logic propounded by your opponents.
seenitall Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 I think you all underestimate what Kasper brings to the team - sure he can make mistakes (all goalies let goals in though!!) but his passion and energy is like an extra captain on the pitch and for me we have missed him because of this - let's not forget Yeovil last year which epitomised his do or die attitude - bring him back asap
Guest ttfn Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 I'd like Kasper to be back, he is capable of playing some fine games and we're going to need them. Maybe this break has done him some good, being out of the limelight? I think with the experience and added presence of the three centre backs Schmeichel's shortcomings (seemingly poor communication and dreadful on crosses) are somewhat covered by the 5-4-1. Also, of the three keepers Schmeichel is comfortably the fastest off his line and best in one-on-one situations which would allow us to push our old defence another 5 yards up the pitch. In a 5-4-1 the 2 in midfield have huge swathes of the pitch to cover and as one of them is 34 we have to make the pitch as small as possible when the opposition have the ball. As it stands with our old centre backs and Grandpa in goal James and Cambiasso's task is even more arduous than it needs to be. I think Schmeichel needed a break from the first team. Hopefully he's had a think about his game whilst he's been out and in particular his bravery on crosses - we can't afford any more clangers like the second QPR goal from him.
harpendenfox Posted 23 February 2015 Author Posted 23 February 2015 Another thread about goalkeepers. Definitely necessary. What usually happens is someone starts a thread saying something like "HAMER 3 CLEAN SHEETS KASPER LESS SCHWARZER NONE PRETTY OBVIOUS WHO SHOULD BE IN GOAL", abandon the thread when people point out the many flaws in their argument and then begin or contribute to the next thread on the same topic, making precisely the same arguments that have been refuted and dismantled a thousand times before. The pool of data is too small to draw meaningful conclusions from statistics, clean sheets are massively unreliable indicators of goalkeeper performance, and many other other phenomena (like regression toward the mean *yawn*) account for the apparent change in form while Hamer was in goal. But none of these things seem to register. To all of you trying to deliver a reasoned argument with a sense of proportion and perspective, good luck. Prepare to be called a Hamer-bashing div for noticing the terrible logic propounded by your opponents. All I'm pointing out is that we seem to have done better with him in goal. I have no particular favourite, simply want the team to get as many points as possible in the games ahead. If Kasper or Mark had better stats I'd favour one of them in goal. Did look for a goalkeeping thread before starting this topic, but didn't find one that appeared relevant. I do find your assertion that clean sheets are a massively unreliable indicator of goalkeeping performance to be an interesting one. Surely if a team keeps a clean sheet then the keeper is likely to have done at least reasonably well, no?
ADK Posted 23 February 2015 Posted 23 February 2015 All the stats back Hamer so the only argument that is left is to rubbish the stats by claiming small sample size before going on to state an uncorroborated opinion.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 24 February 2015 Posted 24 February 2015 All I'm pointing out is that we seem to have done better with him in goal. I have no particular favourite, simply want the team to get as many points as possible in the games ahead. If Kasper or Mark had better stats I'd favour one of them in goal. Did look for a goalkeeping thread before starting this topic, but didn't find one that appeared relevant. I do find your assertion that clean sheets are a massively unreliable indicator of goalkeeping performance to be an interesting one. Surely if a team keeps a clean sheet then the keeper is likely to have done at least reasonably well, no? I have been through this quite a few times before but I understand that not all of my posts on the subject will have been read. "Clean sheet" just means that there is a zero next to the opposition's name. It doesn't mean the goalkeeper stopped any shots at all; there might have been none on target, or he may have been beaten by any number of shots that went in but were disallowed. And when there were shots on target, the saves may have been routine and pedestrian. There is nothing in the phrase "clean sheet" that suggests the goalkeeper performed well. To assume so is to Affirm the Consequent and, as a result, be a div. I had 6 "clean sheets" in a row for the team I played for a couple of years ago and I hardly had a shot to save. It would have been a bit of a dick move to claim these clean sheets were evidence of how competent a goalkeeper I was. I am average on a good day and exceptionally poor on an average day, so "clean sheets" aren't really a reliable indicator of my ability are they. Hamer got put on his arse by Benteke before being rescued by the linesman. He also let in a legitimate goal against Newcastle that was wrongly ruled offside. The result on both occasions was a clean sheet but the phrase "clean sheet" doesn't really say much about Hamer's shot-stopping during those matches. The team finished with a clean sheet in spite of the goalkeeper, not because of him. As others have pointed out, Hamer hasn't done anything out of the ordinary, except for some shocking attempts at kicking which seldom get the ball past the halfway line. Look at Kasper Schmeichel's performance for Denmark against England last year for a good example of the opposite happening; Kasper had an incredible game and Denmark lost 1-0. No clean sheet, but he had one of the best games of his life. All the stats back Hamer so the only argument that is left is to rubbish the stats by claiming small sample size before going on to state an uncorroborated opinion. Are you rejecting the claim that it is difficult to draw meaningful conclusions from a very small selection of data? I am very interested in the argument you are about to present in favour of that, good luck.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2015 Posted 24 February 2015 True. But Everton were woeful in front of goal yesterday but still managed to get two past Schwartzer... Admittedly he had no chance with Upson's pin-point header mind. Hamer wins this hands-down for me just because he commands his box. Plus he hasn't yet comically fallen over and scored an own goal with his arse like Swatzer did. You call Hamer's distribution 'appalling' but don't mention Schwartzer's gaff at all! Yes they were awful in front of goal... but the ball still went in the net and I don't think either were his fault. I'm not buying in to the bigging up of Hamer just because Stoke and Hull didn't manage to get the ball in the net. Like I said, it wasn't really his skills that kept them at bay. The defence didn't look any more secure with him in goal. So, whilst he did everything that was expected of him and I wouldn't have had a problem with him staying in goal... he walked away with clean sheets thanks to the failings of the oppo in large, so using that as proof of him being great is a bit weak looking at the actual games. True. But Everton were woeful in front of goal yesterday but still managed to get two past Schwartzer... Admittedly he had no chance with Upson's pin-point header mind. Why would I mention anything about Schwartzer's gaff when the whole post was about Ben Hamer. I feel, looking from the outside it was a bit harsh on Ben... BUT... I do not see him every day in training. I did see him pre season several ties where he was god damn awful. Now, if for instance Ben drops regular clangers on the training pitch i think Pearson would have ever right to be worried about him and think about replacing him. I was away for Arsenal and haven't seen that game, but I don't blame him for United or Everton. Villa was an awful cock up obviously. If he makes any more balls ups, then I think it would only he fair for Hamer to come back in. But people need to appreciate judgements are made on more than just game time, just because Hamer hasn't cocked up doesn't mean the management don't think it's an accident waiting to happen, due to what they see day in day out.
Jobyfox Posted 24 February 2015 Posted 24 February 2015 The situation, to me, reminds me of when Sven GE brought in Ricardo as a replacement for Chris Weale who was in perfectly good form at the time. Ricardo wasn’t fit for purpose despite people insisting he should be the best choice. Eventually CW regained his place, but was never really the same player again and seemed to lose all confidence. Schwarzer was a reasonable signing as back up to Hamer – especially with Schmeichel being injured - but as a number 1 he is not fit for purpose. I presume those insisting he should play above Hamer are the same people who still insist that Ricardo was a good signing despite all the evidence to the contrary.
cc_star Posted 24 February 2015 Posted 24 February 2015 I think you all underestimate what Kasper brings to the team - sure he can make mistakes (all goalies let goals in though!!) but his passion and energy is like an extra captain on the pitch and for me we have missed him because of this - let's not forget Yeovil last year which epitomised his do or die attitude - bring him back asap I don't underestimate what he brings to the team, and some of those things will be disastrous during the run-in, unless he's somehow learned how to collect or punch balls into the 6 yard box rather than staying rooted to the line putting the defence under unnecessary pressure, frequently leading to goals against.
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