Prefer Leicester to go down to be honest, hear me out

[Joe.]

There's no way going down would be goor for us.

1. Money- The stadium would probably only bring in 17-20k a week I think to begin with and this is never good for the gate receipts. Plus there's a lot less money flying around in League One anyway. It's just not going to be good for us financially.

2. Players- Will leave, and we probably won't be able to keep hold of our "better" ones (yes, we do have them).

3. The football is of a very similar standard to the Championship bar a couple of teams such as West Brom who actually play football. Who's to say we'll bounce straight back? Forest haven't and they've struggled.

It won't be good for us. And I, as well as 95% of our fans will be distraught if it happens.

[somebum]

1. Money- The stadium would probably only bring in 17-20k a week

Yeh, add another zero to that mate

If the tickets went down to £20 and we only filled 10,000, thats gonna be 200k

[James.]

We deserve to go down. End of.

We have played with no passion all season and with the amount of money we have spent we should be at least half way up the table.

We are shit, no matter what manager or chairman we have. Going down is in the best interests of the club and don't start all this administration stuff.

Did Forest go into administration? Do any of the prem clubs when they go down to the Championship.

Milan will not sell the club, football is his passion and he wants to stay in the game. This is the last club he is going to control before stopping and im sure he wants us to be successful.

I'm personally not saying we will go into administration but the financial consequences would be very damaging to our medium to long term potential. However how can you draw conclusions about the impact it would have on us by comparing how other clubs were affected. Every club is different.

It would not be good for us. At all. To suggest otherwise is naive. And we will only deserve to go down IF we go down, not before.

[Kilworthfox]

Yeh, add another zero to that mate

If the tickets went down to £20 and we only filled 10,000, thats gonna be 200k

He means fans not £

[Joe.]

Yeh, add another zero to that mate

If the tickets went down to £20 and we only filled 10,000, thats gonna be 200k

I meant numbers of people.

And ticket prices won't go down.

[somebum]

He means fans not £

Sorry my mistake

[4 Kinell]

I don't want to offend any die-hards on here, I know people here love Leicester City FC and I have followed them for years, but I do think relegation will be a) deserved and b) a blessing.

Perhaps relegation will put Ollie to the sword which will be a blessing, and I can't help to think Leicester deserve to go down. It's a toss up between So'ton and us, the South Coast club have an awful manager it seems in Pearson but we have played badly now for several years and we deserve to go.

You only DESERVE to go if you finish in the bottom three.

I still think we may be lucky & stop up on goal average.

f we do go down however, the repercussions are potentially disastrous as the "parachute" payments are as much reduced from the Championship to Div 1 as from the Prem to the Championship. This means that even if we trade at only 70% of this seasons budget we will struggle financially.

If you think that's a blessing you're living in cloud cuckoo land !

[ronnup]

League 1 is gash, really gash.

True that....

It's all about who can kick it the hardest.

[SussexFox]

I can't believe anyone would think going down would be good for us - no guarantee we'll come back up, watching sh1t football away at mighty Yeovil and Hereford, lose the one bit of meaningful history we have (never playing outside the top two divisions) etc etc

I honstly think if we can survive this season next season will be a lot better - i know its all been said before but its like this is as low as it can get.

[weggy1976]

I had a similar discussion re relegation and div 1 being a good breeding ground for a more youthful set up, get them used to winning and come back to the championship with a better playing team. For 4 years now, we have had to put up with half the team (has beens in 30's) giving half hearted performances. I guess though we need to stay up (financially & proud of 114 year status). But surely next year we clear out the non-performers. On saturday for me these were Clapham, Oakley, Howard and Hayles. What is more worrying is that those 4 are all Ollie's signings.......

Mattock, King, Gradel and Chambers (Ashley) would have given us a better showing in the same positions.

[somebum]

watching sh1t football away at mighty Yeovil and Hereford,

I suppose they had better raise their game to play the "" "" ""mighty "" "" "" Leicester then!

[Thracian]

What does concern me is that, if we stay up, we'll continue fumbling along in the dark with the same misguided approach.

We'll climb aboard the transfer bandwagon, sign more fading has-beens or unchecked agent recommendations who baulk our best youngsters yet again only to discover, too late, that we've been sold a dud.

More loanees will arrive, some of whom will never make an impression and will stick around on the fringes further slowing the development of our own.

I want star players like everyone else. But I want em before they're "discovered" not when they're fading fast.

Any idiot can see talent when they've got a CV as long as the Amazon. But it's seeing them before others and recognising when brilliance has been worn down to unreliable mediocrity that shows the skill of a manager.

I don't care about anti-ageist directives, Our football team should be packed with young, fit, fast footballers who have something to prove and somewhere to go. If the politicians want to see has beens in the teams let them buy a sodding club and sign em/pay them themselves.

Yes there are exceptions. Lee Hendrie is the sort of exception I like - the desire to win is etched on his face. Gareth Barry, Gary Speed are others who have the same desire. People who's passion and professionalism is infectious.

Fulop was a good loanee. Better than anything we had and both literally and metaphorically a giant on the pitch.

But for every Hendrie and Fulop there are the sort of comedians we had in the first half of the season and a few who've hardly been shining lights since.

We've got to cut the mistakes. One mistake in a match from Mattock or Hume and they're out. Endless mistakes from our management and they carry on regardless.

Going down might force a re-think, but why haven't we re-thought this season, after just missing out on relegation?. What's to stop us havin a rethink if we survive.

Instead, our antics in the summer were a joke and I don't see we've been too clever since Christmas either.

Can anyone see a change occuring whatever our fate? I'm not even sure enough of our fans think we need to change.

Because they still clamour after every new signing and still, with an increasing number of notable exceptions, make every excuse imaginable for keeping the young players from progressing.

Example? Think how many people lauded the arrival of Laczko and have continued to favour his selection over Beswick who is a demonstrably more effective player with some important qualities that are much needed, who is familiar with English football, practised in the style of Leicester City, has played with City team-mates for years and is quite possibly the best one-touch passer in the club.

Who, so far, has seen anything from Laczko to suggest he's first team material except in that debut game against Coventry? Beswick has been doing well at City for years. Just like King.

Relegation would doubtless offer opportunities to these players but whether that would be the case if we survive is quite another matter and certainly I'd doubt it if Holloway's still about.

[Guest ttfn]

I can kind of see where you're coming from but I think your hope is a little misguided.

If we go down, yes all of the dead wood will go but so will the likes of Stearman, Mattock and Hume who always give 110%. Whilst I agree that Gradel and co. would prosper in a City shirt in League One who is to say that they wouldn't move on as well?

Also, if we go down, I think Holloway would be the best manager we could realistically get our hands on.

I'd say if we got relegated, the following players would leave:

Stearman

N'Gotty

Kisnorbo (when he got fit again, probably for a prem club)

McAuley

Mattock

Hume

Howard

Oakley

Clemence

Campbell

Wesolowski (maybe)

Hendrie

So realistically that would leave us with Henderson, Hayles, Fryatt, Levi, Gradel and maybe the Hungarians with which to build a promotion challenge next year. There would be even more upheaval than ever before. The last thing we need.

[Dobieforthefoxes]

Trust me, speaking as a Forest supporter, you don't want to go down to League One.

The novelty of playing 'little clubs' soon wears off when you realise that you are their cup final and they keep beating you.

The clear-out of players is a good point but who are you replacing them with. Milan will have lots of ambition and try signing 'Championship-Quality' players but thay won't make them sign for you....I've lost track of how many players have turned down moves to Forest and ended up signing for smaller, less fashionable clubs in a league above.

Getting out of the league is not simple. The clubs who tend to 'storm' the division tend to be ones who have unearthed some unexpected gem such as Billy Sharp or Jason Scotland etc. That always seems to mean there are one or two wildcards each year who come from nowhere to challenge.

Expectations. This is ridiculous at Forest obviously, and will still be unrealistically high at Leicester. The little draws and defeats against minnow-clubs may not be terminal for your season, but the pressure exerted by the fans who expect the club to roll over these clubs with ease makes things pretty difficult for the players and management. There will be few matches where you will be underdogs, and that means few matches where anything other than a win will be accepted. We have spent half this season moaning about our management and this has continued in some quarters despite us going into the last game with a chance of auto promotion (albeit slim), and having a home defensive record second only to Man Utd!

Media attention. Practically none. Its only a subtle thing but forget any newspaper, TV or radio coverage that is anything more than cursory at best. Look on the BBC website at the Championship reports complete with managerial comments with envy and memories of a time gone by.

Having said all the above, I'm split on what I'd like to happen......whilst obviously wanting LCFC to fail, being a rival club and all...it would be good to play you next season so if we get up then I'd like you to stay up, if we don't I want you relegated!

But be careful what you wish for...

[Fat Ron]

Trust me, speaking as a Forest supporter, you don't want to go down to League One.

The novelty of playing 'little clubs' soon wears off when you realise that you are their cup final and they keep beating you.

The clear-out of players is a good point but who are you replacing them with. Milan will have lots of ambition and try signing 'Championship-Quality' players but thay won't make them sign for you....I've lost track of how many players have turned down moves to Forest and ended up signing for smaller, less fashionable clubs in a league above.

Getting out of the league is not simple. The clubs who tend to 'storm' the division tend to be ones who have unearthed some unexpected gem such as Billy Sharp or Jason Scotland etc. That always seems to mean there are one or two wildcards each year who come from nowhere to challenge.

Expectations. This is ridiculous at Forest obviously, and will still be unrealistically high at Leicester. The little draws and defeats against minnow-clubs may not be terminal for your season, but the pressure exerted by the fans who expect the club to roll over these clubs with ease makes things pretty difficult for the players and management. There will be few matches where you will be underdogs, and that means few matches where anything other than a win will be accepted. We have spent half this season moaning about our management and this has continued in some quarters despite us going into the last game with a chance of auto promotion (albeit slim), and having a home defensive record second only to Man Utd!

Media attention. Practically none. Its only a subtle thing but forget any newspaper, TV or radio coverage that is anything more than cursory at best. Look on the BBC website at the Championship reports complete with managerial comments with envy and memories of a time gone by.

Having said all the above, I'm split on what I'd like to happen......whilst obviously wanting LCFC to fail, being a rival club and all...it would be good to play you next season so if we get up then I'd like you to stay up, if we don't I want you relegated!

But be careful what you wish for...

Great reply and superb honesty from our Enemy, Lets hopw we do meet again next Season, In the Championship

[Leicester Rule!]

I can't believe anyone would think going down would be good for us - no guarantee we'll come back up, watching sh1t football away at mighty Yeovil and Hereford, lose the one bit of meaningful history we have (never playing outside the top two divisions) etc etc

I honstly think if we can survive this season next season will be a lot better - i know its all been said before but its like this is as low as it can get.

Thats what im looking forward to ....

[FleckneyFox]

yeah i agree Ollie can piss off and a relegation may refresh us the last 4/5 years have been all about avoiding relegation and maybe if we go down the club in the long run will become more positive.

[maddog]

I don't want us to go down at all, you never know what could happen, we could end up in League 2 or worse easily.

Although i will be feeling flat for the upcoming season if we stay up, dreading another shit season, and buzzing for a season in League 1, with new teams, new players and hopefully a lot more wins, with an actual play off/promotion challenge.

But you never know what could happen there, we may end up mid-table in League1.

[tartanowl]

I don't know how anyone can think going down will be good for you. League 1 is a very tough division, the football isn't pretty, teams raise their game against you, and there is no guarantee you will bounce straight back if you do go down. On top of this your budget will suffer massively and you will struggle to recruit players. Fair enough you may need a clearout, but believe me we've been there and I do not under any circumstance want to go back. Staying up would be massively important for both us and you.

[lavrentis]

I don't know how anyone can think going down will be good for you. League 1 is a very tough division, the football isn't pretty, teams raise their game against you, and there is no guarantee you will bounce straight back if you do go down. On top of this your budget will suffer massively and you will struggle to recruit players. Fair enough you may need a clearout, but believe me we've been there and I do not under any circumstance want to go back. Staying up would be massively important for both us and you.

tartan did you go last Saturday just out of curiosity?

[downdowndeeperdown]

Hello, Nottingham Forest fan in peace. There is no way in which relegation would be a good thing for Leicester; the football in League One is very poor, there is a significant financial shortfall, you're in direct competition with Championship and Premiership clubs for the few decent signings which are available and every team in the division will raise their game against you. I know it's comforting to dress relegation up as a blessing in disguise, but the examples of Forest and Wednesday (and, with any luck, Leeds) indicates that it's the opposite.

[Kilworthfox]

Hello, Nottingham Forest fan in peace. There is no way in which relegation would be a good thing for Leicester; the football in League One is very poor, there is a significant financial shortfall, you're in direct competition with Championship and Premiership clubs for the few decent signings which are available and every team in the division will raise their game against you. I know it's comforting to dress relegation up as a blessing in disguise, but the examples of Forest and Wednesday (and, with any luck, Leeds) indicates that it's the opposite.

Exactly, no-one want relegation! Relegation although the koonts deserve to be told their shiite, the fans don't deserve it, I don't6 want to watch MK Dons or Millwall or Tranmere etc 200 away fans god it would be shite

[Legend_in_blue]

Hello, Nottingham Forest fan in peace. There is no way in which relegation would be a good thing for Leicester; the football in League One is very poor, there is a significant financial shortfall, you're in direct competition with Championship and Premiership clubs for the few decent signings which are available and every team in the division will raise their game against you. I know it's comforting to dress relegation up as a blessing in disguise, but the examples of Forest and Wednesday (and, with any luck, Leeds) indicates that it's the opposite.

It surely cannot be any worse than the Championship. The quality has really suffered in the last 3 or 4 seasons - on a par with our performances you could say.

Seriously, the football is dire. It can't get any worse.

This season even more so. That's why it's so tight - everyone is crap. Not one team stands out.

[Bryn]

Similar things were said when we dropped from the Prem. It's never a good thing.

[Chimp]

yeah i agree Ollie can piss off and a relegation may refresh us the last 4/5 years have been all about avoiding relegation and maybe if we go down the club in the long run will become more positive.

I can't understand why anyone would want us to be relegated?

We'd have to get rid of some of the high earning players - bye bye to Howard, Oakley, Campbell, N'Gotty, Hume etc. Okay, so they'll not be much missed (except Hume ofc) but who are we going to replace them with?

The youngsters? Get real. We'll lose all our young talent to other clubs - bye bye to Weso, Stearman, Mattock, Gradel, Sappleton etc.

No half-decent player will move to a club in the third tier of English footbal. So, how are we going to compete?

Gates will start dwindling, revenue will dry up and Milan will need to start economising.- bye bye to any future investment that would 'buy' us out of the league.

Anyone seriously wanting us to get relegated has clearly not thought things through. Anyone who's wanting us to get relegated just to get rid of Rat-Boy is underestimating Milan's ambitions. It wouldn't suprise me to see Holloway sacked after the Stoke game, whatever the score.