Official Statement On the OS re Fosse Boys

[h1210]

From the OS:

Official Statement

Posted on: Fri 03 Sep 2010

Leicester City Football Club and the Fosse Boys met today to discuss a range of issues.

The meeting was cordial and constructive. Both parties agreed that this is not a noise issue and in effect, positively encourage increased atmosphere and the vocal support of the team.

The club and the Fosse Boys will meet again shortly with a view to establishing a formal and permanent working relationship to the mutual benefit of the Club and the supporters.

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[easilee]

From the OS:

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Sounds promising.

[Babylon]

Sounds promising.

In other words it says "Sit down and you can make as much noise as your want".

[Houdini Logic]

What were the complaints about if it wasn't a noise issue?

[Leicfox]

What were the complaints about if it wasn't a noise issue?

I don't think there were complaints. It was the clubs bright idea to say that as a scape goat, which has back-fired. It's all about standing i believe.

[Babylon]

What were the complaints about if it wasn't a noise issue?

If you go back to the beginning the Fosse Boys focused on the fact the club told them they had received 22 complaints. That was never the clubs main point though in my opinion. When you read through everything that was supposedly said via phone the complaints point was tagged on the the end of points regarding "doing what you did against Boro" ie. Standing.

The media and the fans on here have obviously taken the complaints issue and run with that rather then the other stuff as it's more newsworthy. What has more effect.... Fans not aloud to stand? or, fans not aloud to make noise?

[Babylon]

I don't think there were complaints. It was the clubs bright idea to say that as a scape goat, which has back-fired. It's all about standing i believe.

It is, and as far as I can see they have said that from day one. Unfortunately not many people seem to have taken notice and put all the focus on the noise issue.

[Houdini Logic]

If you go back to the beginning the Fosse Boys focused on the fact the club told them they had received 22 complaints. That was never the clubs main point though in my opinion. When you read through everything that was supposedly said via phone the complaints point was tagged on the the end of points regarding "doing what you did against Boro" ie. Standing.

The media and the fans on here have obviously taken the complaints issue and run with that rather then the other stuff as it's more newsworthy. What has more effect.... Fans not aloud to stand? or, fans not aloud to make noise?

Yes but it's a simple argument - the club can't use standing because they allow people to stand elsewere in the ground so they said they received a number of complaints which surely can only be to do with noise?

[easilee]

In other words it says "Sit down and you can make as much noise as your want".

Sonds like you could be right.

Quote :- The club and the Fosse Boys will meet again shortly with a view to establishing a formal and permanent working relationship to the mutual benefit of the Club and the supporters.

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[bettso]

The club allow L1 to stand and that is credit to them but they cant allow pockets of supporters to appear all over the stadium as that will cause problems for the club with regards to safety issues.

Yes there are a few that stand at the rear of the kop, but this is not a growing problem. The Fosse Boys represent a group that have the potential to grow in numbers. If this were to happen in the kop, it would cause a problem so far as the club would be seen to be condoning large areas of standing throughout the stadium which as I said earlier completely contravenes health and safety legislation.

Standing is acceptable during the game whilst incidents of excitement occur, sustained pressure, corners, penalties, goals etc, but persistant standing (which is the issure here) during play is not permitted.

I said in an earlier thread that there is no way that the complaints could have been about noise and if they were they would have been disgarded and not addressed but as a couple of other people have said, for some reason, the overwhelming choice was to zone in on this and ignore the real issue.

The Fosse Boys ARE a superb group with original songs, merchandise and good organisation. The club are in a tricky position and if The Fosse Boys wanted to, could force their hand and kick up enough fuss so that the entire stadium would have to remain seated (including L1 and the away fans) or face exclusion, but would that improve the atmosphere at the stadium?

Comprimise has to come from both sides and not just from the club.

[Babylon]

Yes but it's a simple argument - the club can't use standing because they allow people to stand elsewere in the ground so they said they received a number of complaints which surely can only be to do with noise?

They can, because it's up to them who they do and do not let stand. Every argument has another side and people need to look at it from the clubs point of view, i'll repeat what I just said in another thread in response to a similar point. I'm on your side, but I can fully understand why the club don't want you there... but they have gone about it in completely the wrong way.

"Look at it from the clubs point of view. If they allow them to stand that area is going to fill up pretty quickly. You won't be able to police the type of people moving over there to join you, and I can guarantee that there are going to be some characters join the group that you'd rather not have.

This means the club then has to increase the stewarding/police presence in that corner of the ground as they do around L1. Because of L1's position it's much easier to police a crowd if there is trouble as one end is already blocked off to segregate away fans. These are all the type of things the club will be thinking about in situations like this and it's not just as easy as saying "they stand why can't I".

As the group is of course it's fine for them to do what they are doing. The club will be more worried about what's going to happen further down the line when the group has grown though. The club have (as usual) made a right pigs ear of getting across their point though which has fanned the flames and the lads have been treated shoddily, we can all agree on that."

[lcfc"weasel"]

Standing is acceptable during the game whilst incidents of excitement occur, sustained pressure, corners, penalties, goals etc, but persistant standing (which is the issure here) during play is not permitted.

I find football in general particularly exicting, the whole 90 minutes so therefore, can I not stand for the whole 90 minutes because I am excited about it.

[bettso]

They can, because it's up to them who they do and do not let stand. Every argument has another side and people need to look at it from the clubs point of view, i'll repeat what I just said in another thread in response to a similar point. I'm on your side, but I can fully understand why the club don't want you there... but they have gone about it in completely the wrong way.

"Look at it from the clubs point of view. If they allow them to stand that area is going to fill up pretty quickly. You won't be able to police the type of people moving over there to join you, and I can guarantee that there are going to be some characters join the group that you'd rather not have.

This means the club then has to increase the stewarding/police presence in that corner of the ground as they do around L1. Because of L1's position it's much easier to police a crowd if there is trouble as one end is already blocked off to segregate away fans. These are all the type of things the club will be thinking about in situations like this and it's not just as easy as saying "they stand why can't I".

As the group is of course it's fine for them to do what they are doing. The club will be more worried about what's going to happen further down the line when the group has grown though. The club have (as usual) made a right pigs ear of getting across their point though which has fanned the flames and the lads have been treated shoddily, we can all agree on that."

Absolutely spot on.

Hopefully that's why they're hiring a new Media Officer!!

[Babylon]

Absolutely spot on.

Hopefully that's why they're hiring a new Media Officer!!

Nah... the one we had just defected to Everton!!!

[Bettsj2]

I find football in general particularly exicting, the whole 90 minutes so therefore, can I not stand for the whole 90 minutes because I am excited about it.

If you think there are 90 minutes of excitement at the Walkers Stadium you should be in a mental ward not a football stadium. But well done for the positivity!!

[Guest BlueBrett]

At least it looks as if progress is being made and hopefully this will mean an end to FosseBoys being turned away from the ground or moved to othe areas. The standing debate is so nuanced and I can see both sides. Ultimately the prescribed guidelines given to the club (and all football clubs) need to be altered. You just can't have a flimsy, self-contradictory policy which allows standing during 'exciting moments' but not at other times. If you do then the justifcation for having a no standing policy in the first place (presumably safety) is completely undermined. Surely standing whilst excitable and at a time when celebrations could erupt due to events on the pitch has to be more dangerous than standing during a scrappy period or prolonged head tennis when you would expect most people to be relatively subdued. The rules clearly need to change and standing sections need to be reintroduced into football stadiums.

[Houdini Logic]

They can, because it's up to them who they do and do not let stand. Every argument has another side and people need to look at it from the clubs point of view, i'll repeat what I just said in another thread in response to a similar point. I'm on your side, but I can fully understand why the club don't want you there... but they have gone about it in completely the wrong way.

"Look at it from the clubs point of view. If they allow them to stand that area is going to fill up pretty quickly. You won't be able to police the type of people moving over there to join you, and I can guarantee that there are going to be some characters join the group that you'd rather not have.

This means the club then has to increase the stewarding/police presence in that corner of the ground as they do around L1. Because of L1's position it's much easier to police a crowd if there is trouble as one end is already blocked off to segregate away fans. These are all the type of things the club will be thinking about in situations like this and it's not just as easy as saying "they stand why can't I".

As the group is of course it's fine for them to do what they are doing. The club will be more worried about what's going to happen further down the line when the group has grown though. The club have (as usual) made a right pigs ear of getting across their point though which has fanned the flames and the lads have been treated shoddily, we can all agree on that."

I for one would appreciate the clubs situation if they came out and said something like the above, but they didn't - they cowardly hid behind false claims of complaints and tried to keep the whole thing under wraps.

For me, that's the issue here

[Wdywd]

If you think there are 90 minutes of excitement at the Walkers Stadium you should be in a mental ward not a football stadium. But well done for the positivity!!

I think that's a very, very shit official statement, what does it actually tell us?

'We're talking to them'

Oh. Really needed an official statement for that.

[Babylon]

I for one would appreciate the clubs situation if they came out and said something like the above, but they didn't - they cowardly hid behind false claims of complaints and tried to keep the whole thing under wraps.

For me, that's the issue here

I agree entirely, they treated everyone involved without complete and utter contempt, and underestimated what feelings it would stir up. For me there is a bigger issue at stake here than the Fosseboys, they have just brought it to a head.

[Manwell Pablo]

I would watch your backs when dealing with the club on issues like these.

They could well be as nice as pie to your face and attempt to repair some of the damage done in the media but it they want you gone they'll be scheming behind closed doors.

[lcfc"weasel"]

If you think there are 90 minutes of excitement at the Walkers Stadium you should be in a mental ward not a football stadium. But well done for the positivity!!

There are 90 minutes of fun at the Walkers, the back of SK1 at the Middlesborough game, pure fun for 90 minutes.

[ozleicester]

Await the feedback from the FB's representatives before commenting.

[Ozwin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p009nvw3/Ben_Jackson_03_09_2010/

- 2 minutes 40 in they start talking about the FB.

- 40ish minutes in, they get a few phone calls. All positive apart from one chap who's never been to the Walkers...

- 1.33.30ish, more talk, phone calls, texts etc

- 1.48.55, couple of phone calls.

Right, that's all of it I think, quickly skimmed over the show so I might have missed a few phone calls or texts or whatever but there's the big segments.

[Jodranadinho]

I suppose the statement is slightly promising. hopefully they will resolve the issue of standing and the group and the club will get on fine

[AndyBrew]

For me there is a bigger issue at stake here than the Fosseboys, they have just brought it to a head.

I whole heartedly agree with this comment