Kitchandro

And if they hadn’t spied they could also have changed their tactics at the last minute because they just assumed Boro were going to counter it anyway. Or just for the hell of it. That’s allowed. And we’d have no way of knowing that was their reasoning and we wouldn’t care. So what? Teams can change tactics and it’s a disaster. The line-ups are announced 90 minutes before kick off now. What if Southampton changed their tactics as a reaction to seeing Boro’s line-up and it worked really well? How would we know if that made the difference? Does that extra half an hour (it used to be only an hour before) really affect matches these days? To be clear I do think the spying is creepy and out of order but worthy of no more than a fine, you just cannot realistically suggest that it’s a disadvantage for another team to know your game plan. When teams are deducted points for last minute penalty dives I’ll consider taking spying seriously on the infringement front.

I’ve said it before but if a manager’s argument is ‘they know our line-up and set piece routines and style of play so we’ve lost’, then they’re not a very good manager. This is pure arrogance from managers where they think their genius surprise tactics that they’ve used for the last 46 games is the reason they finished in the heady heights of FIFTH. What happens when they work out your game plan 5 minutes in? It all goes out the window? Football is a game where you either score more goals than the other team or you don’t. It’s not poker. I know players like Robben and Mahrez loved cutting in on his left foot every single time but stopping it is hard. Deciding that a team MUST have gained an advantage from knowing the opposition’s tactics is a slippery slope. It’s a fluid sport with so many variables.

Not really. Neither make any sense from the perspective of points deductions. Money is a bigger advantage than spying on training though, by a huge amount. Money buys you better players. Spying might give you information you could have got by watching matches, at best. I’m baffled by the online reaction to this. There’s no way Boro lost because someone spied on their training session. It’s just one of those weird obsessive things managers do now because they believe the hype about ‘fine margins’ and all that nonsense. The most serious part of this amounts to trespassing. There’s no real footballing advantage gained and considering players are diving for penalties and getting players sent off by faking injury left right and centre (which makes a tangible difference to a match), any points deduction or expulsion would be an absolute disgrace. Especially as absolutely no rules apply to the bigger clubs.

I don’t understand giving a points deduction unless you’re awarding the points to other teams. Either they gained or an advantage in the actual matches or they didn’t. That’s the reason to take points off, so by the same logic they disadvantaged the teams they played. Giving them a points deduction next season suits no one. As it happens I see it as a very minor, if pathetic, infringement. The game is played on the pitch, if someone knowing your tactics is enough to cost you the game, they aren’t very good tactics. A decent manager wouldn’t even care.

Southampton players and fans don’t even seem bothered.

You know it’s a good game when the producer says ‘zoom in on that ballboy’. tbf he’s given absolutely everything tonight.

Weaver as usual loving his sound bite one-liners and not reading the room. Another terrible game.

I agree with this sentiment in general but sometimes the league is just relatively poor. I remember times when some really good teams playing good attacking football missed out on promotion from this division, and even decent sides were relegated from the Prem. English football is on its arse, IMO.

No. He shouldn’t demean himself by slumming it in League One. King Power don’t deserve him.

How are you defining world class? Vardy was absolutely world class and would have been netting 40 goals a season if he’d been at Man City. Do you remember him under Puel? He’d be getting one chance a game and scoring it. He was played out wide under Pearson and Southgate which was ridiculous. Anyone claiming Vardy isn’t world class and Kane is, when he’s been given the red carpet treatment all his career with all the service and starting places he wants because he’s been at a fashionable, fairly successful (at the time) London club competing at the top end, is not a serious person. In fact, look how much crapper Kane was than Vardy when he was played out wide with us. Look how often he’s gone missing in big games for England and inhibits the team’s fluency. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve had to say Vardy’s conversion rate of chances was better than Kane’s in the Premier League. Vardy was too loyal / comfortable for his own good. Mahrez was playing for Man City and scoring winners in Champions League semi-finals. What more do you want? Kante isn’t even a question. He’s the best player I have ever seen in the position he plays. Lineker and Banks speak for themselves. Again, it’s not even a debate. Being world class isn’t all about technical skill by the way. It’s about producing regularly at the very highest level. This idea that you have to be able to get into a ‘world 11’ is also a poor argument. There’s about 15 midfielders at any one time that are far, far more crucial and effective than the best left backs and goalkeepers. You could have replaced Danny Simpson with Cafu but getting rid of Mahrez or Vardy would have completely tanked our title chances. Simpson was not more world class than Mahrez just because Messi exists.

We started getting good when we buried Richard III. Then we cocked it all up by putting the King Power statue outside the stadium. Check the dates. Richard is pissed and now we’re cursed until someone else gets killed in battle. Now if someone could mock up an image of Top, thrown from his horse during polo, finally coming to the realisation that he has ruined the club and signed the worst strikers we’ve ever had, and saying ‘My kingdom for Geoff Horsfield’ - that would cheer me up until then.

I wouldn’t want him, purely because he (presumably) has a relationship with the owner. If he’s terrible he’ll be kept on out of ‘loyalty’. And I’m aware there’s going to be no ideal candidates. It’s difficult because the ideal character would be someone that wouldn’t want to work with King Power and who King Power wouldn’t want to appoint. But somehow he hits the ground running and everyone is forced to stick it out because we can’t stop winning 😄

And yet, it’s still a competition you can’t be in unless you aren’t good enough for the CL and EL. It’s a competition for losers and also-rans. The rot had set in before then.

This is exactly the attitude that has put us in League One. If we’re not being ambitious, and recruiting people who are ambitious, then we should fold the club. If we just hire people we know aren’t good enough, how do we expect to ever be good enough? 😄

I remember this, everyone was chanting ‘Liam, give us a song’ and he made like he wasn’t interested and was trying to chill, then he just burst into song. I concur there were some proper melts in that end. I’m not someone who thinks you should never criticise players but I got in an argument with someone who was slaughtering Ulloa all game.

I had the shits from the day of the Spurs game for the next week which took the edge off the celebrations tbh. This was before Covid so I went to the Everton game without feeling too much guilt.

What is your problem, mate? Who’s side are you on with your argument? You don’t get a prize for being statistically correct. Yeh, 52 points would have THEORETICALLY kept us up but even that is a meaningless argument considering the space time continuum. How do you know the other teams wouldn’t have been spurred on by the amount of points they needed to get? Surely you can’t be suggesting that the situation as it actually happened didn’t affect how different teams played. For example, Blackburn were on the beach today and so were we. The point people keep making is that if this was a crunch game there’s ample evidence we would have lost, see Portsmouth or several home games. I’m not here to defend PSR, but the last thing this club needs is the narrative that we didn’t deserve to be relegated.

I can’t tell which posts are sarcastic anymore.

So what if they do? The points deduction is King Power’s fault. We got it because of what they did. There’s no getting around it.

I’m amazed we still compare our worst ever strikers to Akinbiyi and not Musa. Considering what league we’ve just been relegated from, though, it’s fair to say Daka and Ayew are much, much worse.

Bringing on Winks, then starting Winks, along with the comments about the team can only play one way as if he has no responsibility to get a tune out of them or change tactics to have an effect on the game - wouldn’t be possible in any sane world. Winks should have been sacked immediately after his tirade, and Rowett should never have been given the job because he’s been worse than useless. He’s got no respect for us nor pride in his own professional performance. Our club is a bunch of people who will say anything to get paid but will put absolutely no effort into their jobs. Scumbags.

Good list, though in boring 2001 we went from 4th to 13th in 2 months 😂 It’s also interesting how many things are linked to getting pissed up. The ones we know of: • Biggest ever defeat cos we were hungover • Don Revie dropped for the cup final for getting smashed • Collymore • Thai Orgy • I’m assuming most of Rudkin’s transfer business We are mental.

I agree with some of this but…no memories? This doesn’t include a Men in Black procedure. AFC Wimbledon is the only Wimbledon and is recognised as such. Everyone accepts they are the same club that won the cup in 1988. Did you know Rangers technically started again and none of their trophies count? Well, they do count, because nobody cares what a piece of paper says. Like most institutions, football clubs are make believe. They’re just a collection of people enforcing a narrative and if they stopped doing that they would cease to exist. Everything that counts is in your head. Whether the phoenix club would actually succeed with LCFC still operating in its current guise is a different matter. It probably doesn’t have the numbers to be viable at the moment. But I’m putting my name forward as interested as I imagine it will become more and more popular as football drifts away from the things that gave it purpose.

I don’t care about Loughborough or Hinckley. I’ve never supported them and I never will. My dad supports Leicester, his dad went to the 61 cup final, for all I know I had a relative who watched Leicester Fosse. It’s never been about just watching the football for something to do. It’s this specific club and the history passed down through the generations of fans that means something. It’s having the same memories, identifying with something that’s always been there. You don’t need the same companies house entry, but you do need the same identity to relate to. I live in London now and am skint but this is the only thing that would potentially get me involved ever again.

Basically, they’re not fans. And I know that sort of thing gets thrown around a lot, but these people don’t have the first prerequisites of being a supporter. They aren’t vocal, they aren’t emotionally involved, and they don’t have pride in it because pride = standards. They’re just people who go to the football to pass the time. The epitome of a consumer. Buy the merch etc. Purple Ronnie mentioned it but it’s the result of football declining from a more organic, community-centred passion to what it is now, a business. People are well within their rights to say I’m not a fan anymore either. I can’t associate with what football is now, I don’t respect players nor our fanbase.