dmayne7

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The commercial failing is the worst of the lot. Not suggesting you'd get Man United sponsorship levels but even the most incompetent business person/marketeer/sales person should have been able to get some pretty big deals in place, even during the run-in of the title success when we it looked like we were going to do it. Shocking that we were always so low down on the sponsorship tables. You only have to look at the decision to put the stadium upgrade after seagrave to see that the commercial side has never come easy to anyone involved in this ownership.

But they (Vichai) wanted a new man (as most owners do) and tried to go down the big names path which failed. They had the humility to go back to the guy they had binned off and obviously gave him big reassurances that he could run it his way so big evidence they had learnt from their mistakes? As I said, it's not like every decision made was the correct one but the vast majority of them were, even off the pitch. What big decisions gave you cause for concern by 2016? I'm not saying for a second that we had all that success because of Vichai but I'd be more more sympathetic to that view than the idea that we had success in spite of him. That's just a nonsense view.

No surprise that there's so much revisionism here as everything has to be black and white. There also seems to be some kind of expectation that owners cannot make mistakes and everything must be perfect which is obviously a reaction to what's happening now. Vichai made plenty of mistakes but he showed a willingness to learn from that. Of course everything aligned perfectly for us to have the success we did but it's completely disingenuous to suggest that we just got lucky. Clearly things had been done well. Doesn't mean to say that it wasn't going to go south soon but you can't suggest that he wasn't a good owner. Perfect? Of course not but compare him to others around and there really haven't been many better. It's important to then separate the ownership under Top. Pretty much every decision they've made has been the wrong one, big or small and managed to piggyback on the work of others before his took charge.

This tagline is the one so hopefully something to rally around, whilst still calling individuals out, just not in some of the childish ways that people choose to on the van. Though I guess time is limited as we probably won't have premier ambitions for a while yet Would happily contribute.

Luckily I was busy last night so couldn't watch the game so just watching the 'highlights'. Even in the world of abysmal defending from Wout Faes, that defending for the first was probably the worst I've seen. What an earth was he doing? Covering for an invisible player? And of course he throws his hands up in the air.

Surprised that Nelson is straight back in. A sign of how highly he's rated considering this is under a different manager as well

Not really the case in the championship though. The average wage has sky rocketed and there's lots of players earning a £m+ every year. Even Cardiff will have several players earning that much so don't think it's such an issue.

At this point, I am staggered when people watch our games and can't see that the full backs (today wing backs) have the most impossible job. They have been asked to defend 2/3 players on their own and provide all the attacking width, particularly in Justin's (right hand side) case. Obviously he's had a poor season but Ricardo in his prime would get ripped to shreds in this team.

Ref was absolutely shite

Faes. That's all

That change is what should have happened from the start

Yet another awful goal to concede. We gave the ball up so easily and then give him all the time in the world.

That sounds better than nornal

To be fair, he then absolutely busted a gut a few mins after I posted this. It's like he's got some faulty software that randomly kicks in every now and again

Would love to compare the running stats of Justin with Soumare.

Yep, because we're saw so many of them given a chance last year. Wanya was in because we had no other options then he was done, Nelson did really well in the handful of games he played but barley featured. No Alves or Braybrooke even when fit. McAteer the only guy to feature properly and he was 22 so not super young. Had a much better team than everyone else so slotting in more youngsters should have been possible. I absolutely do not expect to see a Leicester squad with 4-5 18 years as key members of it, but the amount of chances we give to young players is abysmal. How many cup games do we sit through, frustrated that we've only got 1 or 2 academy players on the bench with none in the starting lineup, and then we're lucky if one of those lads gets 5 mins. That's absolutely no pathway. On top of that, we have so many players that just rot in youth team football with no first team loan until they're about 21, so you've massively destroyed their development. The depressing thing is that, baser on evidence, Monga would absolutely have a better chance of breaking through at Man City than here. That's crazy on every level. I don't think it's about us ensuring that we're making a new youngster a key player every season, but we have to be less conservative in our approach. That means giving lads 5-10 cameo appearances to see if they can make it and then being really proactive in getting loans. So many talented players who will never play professionally and that's because of their mentality (which isn't tested until they get a chance) and mainly down to timing/luck.

What's with this weird victim complex around Vardy recently? And why can't people separate what somebody has done from what they are doing currently. Not seen a single person properly giving Vardy pelters because his legacy is secured and he's untouchable in that regard. But equally, his recent performances have been so poor and our goal scoring record has been abysmal as team, and he's a big part of that. Of course he's going to struggle to have any success in this team but got to say that the West Ham game was the first time I've seen a genuine lack of effort from him. He creates an awful lot of problems because he's not trying to spin in behind but he also does next to no pressing now, spending his time pointing at other people. He won't be the reason we're relegated but he is absolutely part of the problem. Ignoring that is just silly.

That midfield would get ripped to shreds. The issue we have with 5atb is that we have to play a very negative 2/ a pair that cannot progress the ball. Playing Wilf on his own is absolutely mental though.

Probably pretty good chance of that. Even if that doesn't happen, it seems pretty likely that Monga will have played far more senior football than Evans will have by the time he's 20/21

Better than not getting a loan and then playing non-league football in 5 years if he stayed here

Sorry, but in this instance, we only have ourselves to blame. Yes, the system isn't fit for purpose but if we can't bring players through with everything out our disposal then we deserve what we get.

Out of interest, why would they be annoyed with those 2? Is the issue the treatment in the youth teams or is it about the lack of first team opportunities?

The same Liam Delap who made his debut for them at 17? Then got loads of championship loans. Cole Palmer who had played 40 games for the club before he was 21. Not to mention he had the likes of Foden (came through Man City academy and was player of the year) De Bruyne, Silva, Mahrez etc all in his position ahead of him, yet still played that often. Who scored 2 of their goals at the weekend? Oh another young player they've given a chance to. 4 academy players in their starting lineup at the weekend. And that's competing against some of the best players in the world. And even if you don't get a chance in the first time, you probably get fast tracked into a championship of top tier European loan. What do you get at Leicester? Under 21's football with a lower league loan when you're 21 if you're lucky. Objectively, getting out of Leicester as a youngster is a great move.

Wishful thinking. Your logic is sound but unfortunately it's been this way for as long as I can remember and that's with certain coaches who supposedly liked young players (Rodgers, RVN, even Maresca when you actually look the amount of chances afforded to younger players). There's always an excuse to not pick them.