dmayne7

Classic Vestergaard

When he was a million miles off his best form as well. Not on Ricardo's level (who was frankly ridiculous) but I do think people forget how incredible he was the season he got injured. Played every position in a 3 or 4 except for in a back 2 and was excellent in all of them. As I understand it, he was an absolute shoe in for the England squad that summer and likely the first choice at left back.

Nigel Pearson who famously never got too up or down about his team's performance (would redirect his ire towards the press). Certainly wouldn't have been calling out all the players in the first couple of games in charge.

Is there a way you can legally remove somebody as you brother? Might want to look into it if that's the quality of his judgement

He retired years ago mate

Lots of people answering with players they disliked AFTER they left us, so that doesn't really count (though the wording in the OP talks about players leaving under a cloud so would be good to know what the actual question is). Can't think of a player I properly disliked when they played for us who was actually good. Generally, if they were decent, that started to override any real dislike on a personal level.

Should get a decent sanction for that. Don't think it was done in good spirits as Duckett wasn't interested in what he had to say

Doesn't have his level of distribution but the main thing is that he's been given little opportunity, as is the case with most keepers. He's shown he's plenty capable and he has assets that Hermansen doesn't (ability to claim crosses for example).

Don't quite get the level of hate for him but this a good move for all concerned. Think he would have looked a better signing if he didn't get injured in pre-season as definitely would have been first choice (and the knock on effect is that we might not have played JV and seen him get a 3 year contract) though we'd have overpaid even then. Hope it's the first of many now

I'm in 3-5 but purely for the academy players. Actually nice to not have the weekend dominated by our rubbish.

Was turning ridiculous amounts for a spell yesterday though

His nephew. But Joe still plays but is injured

In terms of player quality, a striker would always be the priority but when you actually look at the makeup of the squad, I've always felt a centre mid is most important for the reason you have said. If BEK played a bit deeper (if here), that covers it off a bit but ideally you want a proper box to box player. Even so, this squad is plenty good enough but we need new players to inject some fresh life into the group, give the manager a few players he wants and to properly start rebuilding.

They've played at least one, just think it got moved to behind closed doors

Go and make it a big one. Think that'll send a signal to the England selectors

Weather forecast super unreliable down here so wouldn't bank on it. Though it does look like a total washout day 3

Shame as it was a silly way to get out. He was looking so comfortable and should have been an easy ton.

It's almost like I didn't say that the punishment was fair in the context of the law in my other post... For this comments, I was asked a question about what I think would be a fair punishment so I gave my answer to that. Thanks for injecting by removing the context and ignoring what was said

As I said, I believe a prison term is correct but that's my opinion. You say that if he had done something worse he'd have been punished more severely by the club. He literally had no punishment from the club, if anything, what appears to have been a reward (again, not the intention). Let's hope nobody you know ever dies because some tool is way over the limit, especially if that's what it takes you to realise that it's a pretty serious offence. It is a stream of incidents. Bear in mind these are just the ones that are in the public domain. You claimed you were aware of no other incidents but then you suddenly seemed to know exactly the cases I was referring to. So you're clearly in denial about Hamza's misgivings. I don't know the guy and neither do you I'm guessing so I can only base my opinion on what evidence there is of his behaviour. There is demonstrable evidence of him not being a great guy and little evidence to the contrary. On Vardy, what has he done in his time as a professional footballer apart from the casino incident? Genuinely not aware of things he has done (excluding his wife and his time pre football) I certainly don't think he's a saint at all and his general demeanour is one of the reasons I'd never have quite the same affection to him as I might other players (doesn't mean I didn't love him as a player and that he's not the greatest in the history of this club).

But the privilege he does have is that being fined less than half a weeks wage and not being able to drive has very little impact on him. He can easily afford taxis/private driver everywhere. A normal person would potentially lose all independence/their job as they can't get to and from it etc. The impact was meaningless for him. But we're not making a list of other young people are we? We're talking about Hamza Choudhury. And even if we were, how many of those young people were given special dispensation to circumvent loads of the restrictions and yet still went further and broke more? Also he wasn't a kid, he's been playing mens football for 5+ years, not some teenager. You claimed ignorance to his other misdemeanours so I provided some of them. I think it was silly they went back to when he was 15/16 but the point stands; there's a continuous stream of off the field incidents. I didn't say he was made captain because he broke the law but that it happened straight after. So what if he was next in line? Why not just pick somebody else for the next week or 2. Whether intentional or not, the club sent a message to say that it doesn't matter how you behave, you'll still be rewarded.

I personally think it should carried a prison sentence which is why i said he's probably been dealt with fairly in terms of how the current law works. Though I would imagine he was given the option of a £20k fine to avoid prison. Again, a privilege that a 'normal' person doesn't have. He was part of COVID party (I incorrectly suggested that he had organised it which I don't think is the case) that helped derail that season. A time when the majority of us were still cooped up yet he was being allowed to play and train every day and have somewhat of a normal life He has been charged and fined for multiple instances of dodgy posts on social media. Oh, and he's got in hot water for doing that again. I don't think he's the worst human being alive. But there is clear evidence that he's pretty lacking in moral fibre and decision making. I'm not talking about 1 lapse in judgement, it's a pattern of behaviour. On the captaincy, I guess you and I are very different people then. Actually find it staggering that you think it's ok for him to be made captain days after he broke the law in an act that is supremely selfish and puts others people's lives at risk. The impact of a football captain on the pitch is pretty minimal so it's more of a ceremonial position, and therefore the off the pitch behaviour is massively important. Sent completely the wrong message.

As I said I another post after this, I don't think that the offence alone means he should be shunned from society forever, no. But it's also not the only misdemeanor and so collectively, it doesn't paint a very good picture of the type of person he is does it? On the punishment aspect, I'd also disagree with that. There's the legal punishment which I would argue is not satisfactory, but that's what it is so they shouldn't make any changes just for him, meaning you can say that is 'fair'. However, he was then given the captain's armband a matter of days later when the crime came to light. Frankly a bizarre way to react to it and further indication that the standards of the club have completely fallen. I do think that's much of a punishment.

I should be clear and say that I don't think he should be made a pariah for life because of this because it could have been worse. But what I take objection to is the fact that it's not an isolated incident of this sort of behaviour clearly indicates a questionable personality. Not really the sort of person I want representing the club but I'm also not naïve enough to think I wouldn't be more forgiving of it if he was a world class footballer, which he isn't. And it's really that last line that grates on me. You're absolutely correct but it shouldn't be deemed acceptable. As a minimum they should be held to the same standards as the rest of us but really, being an elite sportsperson probably means you should be held to higher account. In the case of drink driving, the only mitigating factor would be that you simply cannot afford to leave you car and get a taxi (an incredibly weak excuse), and that doesn't apply to Hamza. It's slightly sad as he is in a unique position to be a role model for the British Asians in Leicester and more broadly for British Asians in football, but he sets a dreadful example.

Why do people churn this line out as that it absolves somebody from blame? He's a millionaire in his mid twenties who decided to drink drive. Getting a taxi is absolute pocket change so no excuse for it. And he's from a generation where you know that you don't drink drive. Bad enough when an 18 year old does it but there is some slight mitigation, but as somebody in his mid twenties, he should know better. It's stupidly selfish and reckless. This is on top of him throwing COVID party at the time most of us were having to make sacrifices (when footballers had the ultimate privilege of being able to train and play every day). I've made mistakes and I'm sure I've broken the law in some small, harmless way as I suspect most have. However, I do not think most people have broken the law in such a selfish manner that puts others at risk. Sort of sounds like you condone that behaviour?

Even from a distance, I can guarantee they do more in general to keep the fans in the loop. But we are in a 'crisis' period and have heard nothing from the club hierarchy? That's not acceptable. But you guarantee that if we do go back up, Top will be front and centre then won't be? Just like he was last time. Putting out a happy birthday to the chairman is a bit odd isn't it?