Paninistickers

I'm down 👍

This is the thing. I agree the Tories have not earned a vote after the fiascos since 2016. Eight years of complete shambles. But sny annoyed Tory voter can't reasonably think, ok,.I wanna endorse Labour. Labour will win. But disillusioned voters have a unique chance to vote for a third party and send a message; the biggest open goal in history and labour can only muster, say, 350 seats. Let's see a parliament with 170+ MPs away from the big parties.

It's this I'm really struggling to understand. What has Kier Starmer (and his largely unknown shadow front bench) said or offered that makes people think, **** yeah,.I want a bit of that! That the Tories need booting out is self evident. But why Labour? Wtf have they said to earn the right to govern? Any self respecting pissed.off Tory should surely vote Lib Dem or Reform

I get you....and I agree.with your virw more.than I disagree I think what I'm trying to reconcile is that I hold views that lean both left and right. I'm sure the same goes for many..which means it's super hard to find a political home to comfortably vote for.

In the five years or so I've posted, the only itk I've seen is the lad who posted the team every week about an hour ahead of announcement. All the other supposed itks state the mind numbingly obvious in coded fashion, like Cooper 👀 ...and the moment Potter is announced, they say, 'hey, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want me.to share I won't' ....

They are absurd. Even 50 reform MPs wouldn't make a dent. In fact, it'd highlight thier absurdity. Give the fools enough rope... But, simply, I'm just not prepared to vote for either Tory or Labour as they just hold the steering wheel and invent policy according to Focus groups and AI. The both of them are broken idealogically.

My constituency is new, mid Leicestershire. A glorious chance for the public to reject the two big parties, set a standard and go for a genuinely local campaigning MP who hasn't got a stupid fcking whip to kowtow to. Looking at the wards, it's actually fairly even split between Tory and Labour (under normal circumstances) ....which means Labour win.. But wouldn't it be nice if we had a Green, Lib Dem MP...or yup, even a Reform imbecile in.

Find it hard to believe. It's a good example of a urban/suburban place such as Oadby - which generally have been Lib Dem wards over the years - being crowbarred into a constituency where farming, hunting and wealth are predominant. It has stolen the 25k people of Oadby of a representative MP for 60 odd years. Another reason to despise FPTP

Jeez. That's shocking

I think you sum it up well. The right wing is riddled with inconsistencies, as you point out. I wasn't trying to either justify the right not explain it. Just trying to be balanced and not necessarily dismiss the right as Nazis as many people seem to do. One of the inconsistencies - which kinda highlights the absurdity of pigeon holing left/right politics - is the abortion death penalty split. Right wing are often 'Pro lifers' but tend to be pro death, when it comes to the justice system. Left wing are often 'pro choice' (ie killing foetuses) but anti death penalty. Absurd eh?

Legit question, and I'm not trying to wind anyone up. Are all right wing parties/policies Nazis and have appalling political and social stances? It just seems we (public and media) all kinda just buy into right wing = evil. I'm trying to be fair and less dramatic and genuinely try to work out if right is bad.... and not just a political theory that lots of people happen to disagree with Is it possible that right wing, in a softer sense, means economic protectionism? Means tax breaks (in the hope of the supposed trickle down effect)? About lack of red tape and reducing the nanny state? About personal liberty over collective good? Isn't that the essence of 'right wing'?

Agree, but those one nation Tories maybe should've had the balls to set up a centre right party. The aborted 'Change' Party of Ann Soubry needed some heavyweights. Similar to the SDP splitting from labour back in the day.

Regardless of feeling well or not, have you ever tried walking in 35-40 degree heat? I remember that heatwave 2 summers ago at 38 degrees. It was hard enough walking to the back of the garden.

I'm sure you are being slightly facetious, but the answer is imagine is that he's (compared with average Joes like me) an absolute winner in life. I know that'll create some sniggers. But I'd guess 99% of young Asian lads growing up in Southampton with a Dr Dad and pharmacist Mum would end up, being, err, a doctor or pharmacist. Whatever we all make of him personally, he's broken his mould. Went to California, studied at elite level, played the money markets,.married into billionaire level wealth and then reached the very very top of his chosen career. Whether we like it or not, the guy isn't made just to sit around and count his wealth

Thought it was Bobby Firminho

He's the best 1 v 1 defender at the club. Hands down. Bar none. And our quickest, by a mile. We need him more than ever. Last season wasn't a fair reflection of his abilities..played out of position at that absurd LCB role. Put him.at RB or RCB in a three and he'll be at his max.

Tbf, your supposition is just as likely to be right as mine. I guess I'm trying to give her the benefit of doubt, maybe others aren't. Take the granddaughter comments. I could read that as 'my granddaughter is as woke and liberal as they come, and even she has started to agree with my views'

Didn't I kinda address that point in my post? The nearest role reversal equivalent we can point to are Brits in Spain or Provence. I could, tbh, understand French or Spanish taking umbrage at those Brits who won't learn the language, only frequent ex pat bars / eateries and generally appear unenthusiastic about the country they've chosen to settle in. I think it's too easy and very virtue signally to hang out this lady's opinions. I don't think she's perhaps the racist old dear you'd like her to be

I'm gonna take a more sympathetic view. I kinda got the tone of what she meant, but she didn't quite articulate it as someone 'educated' might. And,.of course,.she isn't a seasoned professional in front of a.camera..all of us may struggle to articulate our thoughts when put on the spot with a mic and camera She's likely concerned at the pace of change. Older people always have been, it's not new. The old city working class neighbourhoods she'd have known would now be,.in some cases, 99% non white. I'd imagine that she also feels that many new immigrants don't appear to assimilate too well. It's not like they arrive with the American dream and have pot roasts and watch the superbowl. Many arrive in Europe to, pretty much, to continue to live as they were living. Like Brits in Spain. I think that's a fair argument. What she doesn't perhaps know is she was conned by Brexit. Helluva lot of brexiteers were voting for tough immigration rules. Instead, Brexit has replaced white, Christian east European immigrants on freedom.of movement rights with brown, non Christian immigration on student visas. Which, personally, I kinda enjoy the irony.

Outstanding answer. More fuel to the fire that every vote away from the hideous two big parties is worth the protest. Both just exist to govern. To 'win' a competition as if it's the apprentice or the premier league. Policy formed not being ethics or principle or intellectual theory ....but entirely by focus groups to gain extra % in the polls. Both parties need hounding out of business. As the previous poster says, wouldn't it be nice if the best individual political brains actually governed together for the national good?

Never feels like a 'night out / date night' if I have pizza..plus, a more recent development,.I try to minimise carbs

Interesting. I thought Maurizio's was supposed to be elite. I don't eat pizza on a night out though, so it's kinda academic for me personally. But I'm assuming Martin Bros and Peter's must both be pretty good

Our elite political brains have all but evaporated. Random names of the recent (ish) past; Cameron, Duncan Smith and Miliband are still around. Beyond that; Clegg, George Alexander and David Laws... Brown & Balls, Mandelson , Burnham....Hague, Grieve, Rory Stewart, Gove....even Theresa May All still young enough to positively contribute yet hounded out of politics in many cases.

Nice idea, but that's to get the Tories out. That's a given. The tactical swing I'd love to see is a national shift to mute both Labour and the Tories, and leave both with just their corest of core.

So frustrating isn't it? If only voters could get their shit together and vote tactically, seat by seat and start to destroy both labour and the tories We could have 100+ green,.lib dem and reform MPs and another 50+ from the nationalist parties.