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Anyone know when City started to despise its own supporters? I can't think beyond the charity shield, when the club did everything they possibly could to avoid selling tickets to that, and pumped the entire machine in favour of Villarreal friendly tickets at home. It was dripping hatred for the fans from that day forth. Or were the incidents prior? Edit; certainly wasn't there for the first charity shield, when we shifted 36k tickets absolutely hassle free Edit edit; the nadir must've been the European campaign after charity shield win, where in Warsaw the club would've happily driven the 500 to Auschwitz and gassed us

We have a precedent from the 80s and 90s.. Leicester United, Shepshed and Hinckley Athletic were the three main teams. United's crowds were appalling. 100-300. Leicester is (sounds counter intuitive) too big to support a non league team. In those days, the senior league was well supported. Oadby, Wigston Town, Friar Lane, Highfield Rangers, Birstall, Anstey Nomads and out of town Ibstock, Stapenhill would all pull in 100-200 each. Shepshed and Hinckley had whole towns behind them and would vary from 200-500. Fwiw, I think the Dovecote at Shepshed is nigh on non league.ground perfection..I guess they've been usurped by Coalville nowadays though.

I'm going, at best /worst Saints 95 (w 7, lose 2, D1) best case Farmers 98 (w6 D2 L1) best case Leeds 101 (W7, D1, L1) best case Us 98 (w5, D2, L2) worst case On that, we go up on GD. Worst case. But still think deep down we'll pull away

I tend to agree. If I were an outsider looking in, I'd think, they're wobbling but will pick up a couple on the spin somehow and then cruise thought the last four or five games. We'll go up. As champions. And I'll happily lose some bet money

Good points and good to hear. Generally Europe, but states, Japan too. Tomdo.liat far flung are South Africa, Argentina/Chile....but warming to south east Asia, which I've avoided til now for, being honest, the cliches that go with SE Asia and middle ahed westerners

Interesting...your points and that of @fuchsntf and @grobyfox1990 I still have that appalling image burned into me of leprosy victims on skateboards, pollution, traffic chaos toxic rivers ....this isn't meant to be offensive. Just I suppose like how others think it rains in UK all the time. A clichéd view

Of all the places in the world, India appeals to me right at the very end of the list. Maybe it's.living in Leicester and Indian culture being so embedded that it does t seem foreign. But, you seem to know your stuff....what's the attraction about it? I must be missing out on something

Anyone else totally unconcerned/uninterested about this? I don't mean in the vein of 'so uninterested why are you in this thread?' type thing. I just cba to worry over something that's down the road But gimme a.choice right now of promotion and sell players and 10 points deduction versus staying in championship (even without points deduction)....I'll take the promotion hit all day

Might do the same. Lump a juicy 500 on. If we end up top 2, it'll be 500 well spent. Basically just doubling my season ticket. Worth every penny. **** it up, a tasty 3.5k compo. Edit, I did the same prior to Burnley away in the last promotion campaign. Worth every penny.

Really don't get this. I'm football obsessed. It's the main convo with my kids too. But I'd never expect my kids to treat players as role models, as demi gods. Anyone basing their life choices on a random footballer unknown to them is crackers.

If I was looking at this from afar, a wobble a team at the top is absolutely normal. I'd be reassuring the hypothetical nervous fan of said club that, they'll stumble into a win soon, create a mini run and they'll be away. Oddly enough, I'd almost go as far to say that a wobble on GW -13 to -9 is quite a good thing and leaves plenty of time to pull out of the tailspin. Hitting the buffers 6 games out is much more catastrophic

Same ref who fluffed the penalty at Ipswich. Jeez.

But did we? Results were magnificent but there was always an element of built on sand about many games. Unlike the Mucky Adams and NP promotions. We ended many wins very shakily, Brum away. Millwall home. West Brom away. Watford away. Even Rotherham had three good chances in the last 10. Sunderland hone and away. Going back, wins at Swansea and Blackburn both came after near catastrophic gaffes at 2-1 but we ended with flattering scorelines. Huddersfield and Rotherham away early doors both came out of unexpected late goals. The only games where I felt we had total, absolute control were games where the oppo had virtually given up; Cardiff away. Stoke home and away. Watford at home.

Budget for starters.

Not writing him.off. But it is unacceptable to fail with promotion with the hand he was dealt.. It'd be the equivalent of Man City finishing fifth and in the Europa. Totally unacceptable.

Agree. But it was designed to do so

Fwiw, I think we'll go up! But my (many) points are we've made awful heavy weather of a division with a squad that was largely designed for a top 10 PL campaign

I'm.noy anti Enzo per se. And there may well be long term benefits of the system, as evidenced at Bournemouth. But, I've had this nagging feeling from the that a much more pragmatic conventional 4231, with full backs bombing forward, would have blown this division away. Mads JJ and VK as full backs Vesty, Coady, Faes, Big H (pick any 2) Ricky Wilf Winks and KDH Kels and Vards ....Rotation and tactical changes for game changing pace and and legs with Mavididi, Fatawa, Hamza, Daka We'd literally destroy teams

Great post

How many players did Hull have today who've played multiple times at the top.level?

Start of the season Neil Warnock joked that his scout told him Leicester hadn't got one team capable of promotion, but 2! Allowing a bit of poetic licence for lack of balance, he ain't far off; Stolarcyk/ Iversen Doyle Coady, Souttar, VK Praet & Hamza & McAteer, Kels & Daka & Cannon

Based in the fact they've all played well, in bits and pieces, in the PL. Or Ligue 1. Or Serie A. Played at World Cups. Played in the Europa league. How many championsio teams have got 15 players who done that? Lemme phrase this another way. You think Mark Robins would take his squad over ours? The Norwich manager (whoever that is)Even Daniel Farke, if he had carte blanche, would choose our squad over his.

Exactly this

You're being overly dramatic. Regardless of personal opinions on players, including mine, take Dennis Praet (who pisses me.off) . Maybe 75 PL appearances, goals and assist at the PL level, 100 serie A games. International and Europa league experience. And he's nowhere near good enough for our team. Championship clubs simply don't have players with that kinda CV,.let alone ones we can afford to leave out. Ask Mark Robins, Liam Rosensior or the Cardiff manager if they'd like Praet in their squad. They'd snap your hand off Or, if you don't like the Praet analogy, how about asking Robins if he'd like 38m quid to spend and a wage budget of 60m?