LCFCJohn

Not really sure the point here. Our success was hardly due to the fans having standards. Regarding Everton and West Ham. Everton managed to get a change of owner and now resemble a serious club again after a few years of struggling. West Ham haven’t but not for want of their fans trying to hold the club accountable. The point being, both clubs performance isn’t ok and accepted by their fan base. Whereas ours is quite content with what we are seeing. Small mentality. We should at least demand our players put in some effort and care but we don’t even have those standards here.

The point is, those fanbases, West Ham and Everton, have high standards. Our fanbase has a small club mentality with no desire to do better.

Genuinely can’t care about this match. What is going on at Loftus Road is far more important. As @TeamRocketsays above, it won’t lift any clouds from around the club. It is just an inconvenience of a fixture right now.

I’m not sure we need to worry about Portsmouth given they have 3 games in hand (which I believe are at home due to pitch issues) so I just imagine they will pick up enough points to be a bit clear of us. Charlton upwards are fine. West Brom are grinding out results. It’s 2 from 3, Oxford, Blackburn and us.

My issue with the bolded bit is that most of the actual animosity, particularly in the stands has been the other way to how you are trying to portray it here. It is people who do care about the club, who are fearful of what the future holds for the club, having their voice to say this is not ok. And those who you are suggesting are the ones subject to the animosity are those showing outward aggression towards them. I’m not aware of a single account whereby someone just wanting to be there and support the club has been targeted in such a way. Yes, online such as this forum, there are digs and comments. But that comes from frustration that our club is on its knees and too many are actively going out their way to defend those responsible. I think you miss the point a bit in that other fanbases would find ways to address this situation we are facing in a way that both shows unity as a whole and whilst not sacrificing following the team. The fanbase could unity and say enough is enough to those tearing the club apart whilst still supporting the team but it has become a divide because of this obsession with defending the owner rather than considering what is best for the club and the community.

Whilst I agree with the fact it is a shame our fan base is so divided and do agree people should not feel pressured and make their own decisions, for me, this thread just further evidences how passive this fan base is. I just don’t think you’d see this kind of decline, the fans being treated with contempt and the club being in such perilous position regarding its future tolerated at any other club.

It’s not the length. It’s the amount of -‘s in it. Massive giveaway for those who are familiar with ChatGPT. That was the giveaway to me. I do think ChatGPT is a good tool to refine what you are trying to say. I have used it myself a fair bit but always do a read through and change any rogue z’s back to s and remove the -‘s

I definitely think if you did a Venn diagram of those who appreciate Pearson and those who back Aiyawatt, there would be two distinct populations there rather than a huge overlap in the middle.

My top 3, if looking at those who would likely be a good fit for what we need and not completely unrealistic would be Pearson, Smith or Dyche. Any of them probably give us the best chance possible.

Infrastructure doesn’t count towards PSR does it, and a new pitch/fixing the pitch whilst a financial outlay for the owners, would surely be under infrastructure?

We’re an experiment at this point right? It’s all to test how quickly people can break it has to be. I struggle to wrap my head around this level of performance by Aiyawatt and Rudkin being incompetence. An experiment or delibera sabotage, it has to be.

And this is a great point. Currently it is mostly wasted. I say mostly as undeniably we are doing one thing well with the youth coming through. Pearson could build a legacy with it.

But many of these people will genuinely be intelligent people who have done well in general life but when it comes to this, it all goes out the window and they spout drivel like this. Genuinely, it is an actual cult. Not using it as an insult or being over dramatic. It 100% is.

And Walsall From his time at Walsall Taking over managerial duties with his side nine points adrift at the foot of League One, Smith managed to steer Walsall out of the drop zone before the season's end. He took Walsall to the 2015 final of the Football League Trophy, a 2–0 defeat to Bristol City, which was Walsall's first appearance at Wembley Stadium. Left them in a much stronger position that found to go to Brentford Brentford finished the 2017–18 season in ninth-place and were "widely regarded as the Championship's entertainers" after Smith built an attractive passing style of play on a shoestring budget. Position wise they were where he found them but obviously set on the way to go up by then and went to Villa. Took over Villa in 15th in the Championship and struggling and got them to and won the playoffs that season and kept them up. Got to the league cup final, beating us in the semis. Norwich didn’t go very well but they have hardly been strong for a number of years. Came to us and couldn’t keep us up but you cannot pin it on him. Seems to be going well at Charlotte. Overall it’s an impressive record, for where we are at. He just isn’t deemed fancy because he’s call Dean from the West Midlands Some good links as well. Sadly no Shakey any more but Walsh and Fuchs as well as Terry. Not saying they’d all come but he has a network.

Pearson didn’t underachieve. We made it back to the PL after 10 years away and our worst spell in the clubs history (that he fixed and then fixed again after he was removed and we went backwards) and we just didn’t hit the ground running. Even when we were cut adrift before the great escape, we were better than that. Thing games like Liverpool away where they had 2 nonsense pens. Lots of close games we just fell short. In terms of Ranieri, I don’t think it is a case of disrespecting him. If we are looking back and judging managerial appointments, it was clear that it was a choice based on name after Pearson left. There wasn’t strategic thinking to the appointment. So you can think wow, he managed us to our greatest achievement and is in the record books whilst questioning the credit that should go to the owner for the appointment based on it essentially, being lucky. Puel, he wasn’t a success but he gets massively unfair treatment on here due to his accent in interviews. We had gone from winning the league to relegation battles under Ranieri and Shakespeare and weren’t really settled as a PL side despite the title win, and with an aging squad. It wasn’t pretty on the eyes but he stabilised us and with Macia, brought in many of the players who Rodgers benefited from and won the FA cup.

Oh so close But yes, agreed. Seems like a Pearson figure which is what we need if we stand a chance of coming back from this damage caused.

Depends who we would end up with by I would say Nelson and Lascelles are both more than decent. James as well. Page and Aluko. But I agree not decent senior strikers or full backs. And yeah, keepers have been poor. Problem is, the only players you’d keep will be off regardless of league.

To be fair, he’d be my first choice. He’s obviously not the best manager but I think he has been harshly judged based on his short spell with us and what he inherited. Although it’s a worse situation now I guess. He’s fairly rounded. I wouldn’t say he is any to football by any means. He can be quite attacking but we also saw in that Newcastle game, he can shut up shop and defend. And like you said, has built struggling sides before like Villa.

This feels very ‘off brand’ for you I have to say

Good one

Exactly. The world has bounced back. Why haven’t we? I can’t think of which other clubs owners would have had businesses that we affected but their must have been others. Yet we are the only club that has collapsed. Ultimately it is the money going in and out of the club that makes the club run, not owners wealth.

I don’t even class myself as well informed. Just able to see the obvious. It’s more that much of our fanbase is massively uninformed and/or sucked into the cult of KP. Of course it is average/poor players signed on too higher wages and fees. But so many can’t get their head around who is responsible for that. And yes, the fitness issue you raise. A lot of these issues could be solved by sorting the fitness and having a sport psychologist again. But everything Pearson built has been ripped apart. And in terms of whether the players are trying or not, no they aren’t. For so many years we have signed players that just don’t have a strong mentality. Even those who have been excellent players (Maddison/Tielemans come to mind) were piss poor mentally with us. We don’t have the characters like Wes Morgan, Kasper Schmeichel, Rob Huth, Christian Fuchs, Marc Albrighton etc any more.

I just don’t buy the wealth one in the context of what we know the failings are at the club. With the amount that has come into the club from PL/TV money, large transfer fees in, the club could and should have been run sustainably in a way that the position we are in now, didn’t happen, regardless of owner wealth. I get the spread thin argument. But this is the guy who was removed from his role within KP and spends all his time playing with horses as @Katyvery eloquently put it on TalkSport. If there were any signs he’d be trying fair enough. But it comes back to the argument, put competent people looking after the club and you don’t need to be massively involved if other things are taking time up.

I think Braybrooke will be kept hold of. He’s only done it at L2 level so L1 is the next step up. Page I’m not sure. I’m sure there’d be interest but if his contract is favourable from our perspective, we could keep him. Nelson and Monga are off regardless of if we scrape survival or go down I think.

Look, I can accept you being a Coventry fan. We all have our faults right and we can’t help failings with how we were raised But if you’re sympathising with Aiyawatt even a little bit, this is a line that shouldn’t be crossed and you should leave this forum with immediate effect It’s an excuse and like you say, maybe a coping mechanism or justification but it’s easier to accept for some than the truth. No doubt the King Power Group was affected. of course it was. But it doesn’t matter if he didn’t put hundreds of millions in. That doesn’t cover PSR. They never have put their own money in, even under Vichai. It was always sell to reinvest. It’s a cold hard fact that the problem is PSR and that is caused by the stupid wages we have handed out, inflated fees on players not worth it whilst letting loads walk on frees. Nothing to do with Covid. And I’m sure they can’t be the only owners whose money comes from industries heavily affected by Covid either…