Dan

You compare their attitude to Sheffield Wednesday's players who are obviously far worse, in a worse situation, it's pretty damning.

Can't wait for us to sign that Tverdokhlib

Odds are rubbish sadly with the points deduction talk. 7/1 is shite.

Choudhury, McAteer and Thomas are three I'd happily sell. If that Sunderland bid in January for McAteer was legit then what on earth are we doing.

I'm calling for him to pick academy players because they're the future and we're clearly in a dire financial situation, therefore this is a cost effective way to pad out our squad. Wanting Choudhury gone isn't linked at all to where he started. He's very much part of the deadwood. The fact you've had to bring up one incident from 16 months ago is pretty telling.

Sell. Good wages, ceiling is the Championship and most importantly Wrexham will pay over the odds.

This is a Fatawu like profile of signing, absolutely the sort we should be going for.

Said at the time that was a red flag. Needing them to go down to 10 men having played just one friendly all summer. Do I expect us to wipe the floor with teams in this league? No. Did I expect it against them? Absolutely, and so would they.

He's still crap. Further sign of our regression that people think he isn't.

Our board are arrogant and delusional. They think that just doing nothing fixes things and that problems go away. People loved to go on about the amount of sides who bounced back up the ever growing gap between the two leagues but did ignore that these clubs went through a bit of surgery to get there. Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield United. Leicester to an extent in 2023/24, Southampton also. They all freshened things up. Sticking with the same dog shit, loser players has no benefit if they aren't 'far' too good for the league and on the early evidence, most of them aren't. Even most of those who were "too good for the league" finished 2023/24 badly. Southampton and Ipswich will finish above us even regardless of a deduction. Not convinced by either but they have at least tried to change things up a bit. We stick with this hateful team. Disgrace.

I don't think it's impossible but it's very unlikely. What is quite clear though is we will always play about 15% below our actual ability because the players don't care and have no incentive to. They have it very easy, fanbase mostly let them off the hook, the owner is their mate, the DoF puts them on contracts even some Saudi clubs would baulk at. Add in the total lack of movement in or out. It's a losing team with a losing culture. I think it's this year where people, myself included, will probably appreciate more what Maresca did. He pushed for change - didn't I read somewhere he wanted something like 16 signings? Obviously wasn't going to happen but I like that attitude personally. We've been underachieving for years and I see no reason it won't be any different. This season has been a shocking start - scraped past the worst opposition you could possibly face at this level and lost in the cup to a team in the league below, all with the same dreadful players being tolerated. I'm pretty confident already we won't be going back up. I've no doubt there'll be people who ridicule this suggestion though. Well I think virtually anybody would've ridiculed what happened here in the last three years if you had suggested it, so I'd not really pay them too much attention. Aiyawatt & Rudkin's tenure can only lead to underachievement.

Would be very interested to hear Cifuentes' views.

Genuinely - what the actual **** are we doing? This was a completely open goal.

Exactly where I am. He has benefit of the doubt for now but he's going to lose it rapidly if he keeps picking that excuse of a midfield.

This is about what I'd play as well and I hate it. Crikey.

Wouldn't be starting a 16 year old unless it was an emergency. Think this counts as one. In.

We just value none of the right things in recruitment.

Even Wednesday fans can cling onto a team that's trying. It's unforgivable what gets tolerated here. Loathsome.

Cannot stand him. Boo him.

Should've been a minimum of 10 in and 10 out. This summer has been a total disgrace, again.

My whole list as well. Even El Khannouss I've got this gut feeling is going to become quite unpopular in the next fortnight.

3rd team to confirm our status in the Championship. 23rd club to confirm a manager for the Championship season. Everything you need to know about this hierarchy in a nutshell. They have ****ed it AGAIN.

This is a pretty kind opening away game but can't even say I have any confidence in us winning it. 0-1 or 1-1.

It's completely ****ed. Soumare shouldn't be near the pitch for us. Skipp shouldn't be near the pitch for us. Both should be shipped out immediately. Winks after last year, and with his contract situation should also be gone. But the other two are so terrible that he holds all the cards. This is why I was kicking off all summer about the lack of action. The ****ing arrogance of our board thinking we could just walk it again with no changes. Sorry Aiyawatt, you fool, you don't get the luxury of going down with the strongest squad to ever go down every time you do it. That's not the case anymore thanks to the decline you've overseen. We should've gone absolutely militant. No amount of fines or points deductions are worse than having these lot shaming us every game. They're a disgrace. You compare them to what Wednesday have done tonight - that's a worse squad with genuine fight about it. This lot would flounder and get hammered in their situation. We should've gotten rid of the lot of the midfielders and rebuilt the whole thing. As of now, there has been nothing. An overhaul is needed and we have no time to do it. Well we did, we just squandered it doing.... what? It's ****up after ****up. I cannot bare them.

I really don't know what that is - we have some really terrible players.