Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 As long as he has a rota of Dan Jarvis and Stella Creasy taking it in turns, with Diane Abbott sat at the back with duct tape over her mouth, it'll work OK. I'm no fan of Diane Abbot but it does annoy me how so many arguments here use the " X was voted in democratically by the people in their constituency" and yet it doesn't apply to her. The people either voted for her or for Labour or for both. Whichever reason she has the same rights as other MPs.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Rumours of Abbott being in the fold won't go away. Aside from the fact shes an awful debater and politician, he can't seriously appoint a racist to the shadow cabinet in 2015 can he given the virtues he'll supposedly be putting forward? Why not? It's not stopped facists, pedos etc... being appointed to Tory cabinets has it? Ed Heath was prime minister and would have had Saville as his education minister if he could.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 But it's another straw man. If he only got the people who didn't bother to vote to vote for labour he'd win. He doesn't even need to convert Webbo and Matt and Johnny the fox. Of course he won't be that's not the question. I just hope he reinvigorates politics in the UK. He couldn't even get 24% of LP members to vote, nor could the others. This idea that Corbyn alone will get electoral turnouts up to post-war levels is pure fantasy.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 I've spoken to at least one Corbynite councillor who feels exactly the same, she's perpetually one brain fart away from a PR car crash. If Corbyn has her anywhere near the front bench, it's one hell of an own goal. What a Blairite thought.
Webbo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Why not? It's not stopped facists, pedos etc... being appointed to Tory cabinets has it? Ed Heath was prime minister and would have had Saville as his education minister if he could. Straw man?
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 I'm no fan of Diane Abbot but it does annoy me how so many arguments here use the " X was voted in democratically by the people in their constituency" and yet it doesn't apply to her. The people either voted for her or for Labour or for both. Whichever reason she has the same rights as other MPs. Some MPs are more adept than others. Abbott has made gaffe after gaffe.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Some MPs are more adept than others. Abbott has made gaffe after gaffe. And she hasn't been appointed yet. Should be McDonnell shouldn't it.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 What a Blairite thought. Ah, the Blairite straw man. PR is important in politics, because it kind of matters what the public think.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Straw man? He loves 'em. Ironic considering he's so quick to accuse others of the same.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Ah, the Blairite straw man. PR is important in politics, because it kind of matters what the public think. So you should be happy to have a man who will talk from the heart about concerns that matter to Labourites and not pander to the media. Populist swinging hasn't worked for Labour since Blair's PR machine was found out to be just that. The truth outs in the end.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 He loves 'em. Ironic considering he's so quick to accuse others of the same. Siding with Webbo, Bilo. He's the Enoch Powell of the political scene. You need to refocus your energies.
Webbo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 So you should be happy to have a man who will talk from the heart about concerns that matter to Labourites and not pander to the media. Populist swinging hasn't worked for Labour since Blair's PR machine was found out to be just that. The truth outs in the end. Labour haven't had a Blairite leader since Blair. Gordon Brown did his best to distance himself from New Labour, Milliband the same. Much as I disliked the man TB could well have won the last election.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Siding with Webbo, Bilo. He's the Enoch Powell of the political scene. You need to refocus your energies. I don't agree with Webbo on a lot of things, but likening him to Enoch Powell is absolutely ridiculous.
Webbo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Siding with Webbo, Bilo. He's the Enoch Powell of the political scene. You need to refocus your energies. I'm Enoch Powell now?
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Siding with Webbo, Bilo. He's the Enoch Powell of the political scene. You need to refocus your energies. btw I'm allowed the straw men. I'd be a floating centre/ centre-left voter looking where to put my cross. I look at you Bilo, as the Labour rep on the board and I'm hoping that you influence me to vote Labour. Webbo/MattPetc... are the Tory reps. Rincy the Green. Johnny the Fox Ukip, Not quite sure who is repping Liberals these days though. My beliefs mean that I should vote Labour but my financial position means it's not sure.
Rincewind Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 He actually wants to get young people interested in politics and revitalise the apathetic populace that have been turned off from all parties. A lot on here will disagree but many MP's have lost touch with the ordinary man on the street. Many go to similar schools and universities. Listening to Corbyn's speech reminded me of something from Caesar, Friends Romans Countrymen, or the speech from Braveheart or Lord of The Rings just before the army ride into battle to be slaughtered and cut to ribbons. He may not get the comfortably off to follow but there are many others fed up with the way things have gone in the last few years that will have fresh hope. If nothing else his victory will get some Labour MP's to reflect on the reason they joined the party and the values that exists within it.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 So you should be happy to have a man who will talk from the heart about concerns that matter to Labourites and not pander to the media. Populist swinging hasn't worked for Labour since Blair's PR machine was found out to be just that. The truth outs in the end. Labourites are only part of the story, and we have to create new ones. We won't do that if we have MPs making statements that will alienate the general public. That's not populism or compromising on principles, it's trying to win an election.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Labour haven't had a Blairite leader since Blair. Gordon Brown did his best to distance himself from New Labour, Milliband the same. Much as I disliked the man TB could well have won the last election. I agree TB would have won the election by a distance if he'd sat as Tory leader. I like Milliband but he wasn't strong enough in his convictions. Gordon Brown was smeared by his weakness to be subservient to TB. I don't agree with Webbo on a lot of things, but likening him to Enoch Powell is absolutely ridiculous. Tongue in cheek - calm down man.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Ah, now it was tongue in cheek. Convenient.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 I'm Enoch Powell now? It was a joke Which smiley should I have put? You are simply as tory as tories get, you'll never be moved from your position and you'll quote the Daily Mail as often as anyone.
Buce Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 I don't agree with Webbo on a lot of things, but likening him to Enoch Powell is absolutely ridiculous. Wait till you hear his 'Rivers of Emulsion' speech..
Webbo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 It was a joke Which smiley should I have put? You are simply as tory as tories get, you'll never be moved from your position and you'll quote the Daily Mail as often as anyone. I never quote the Daily Mail, nor any other paper as fact. Occassionally I'll post a graph or something that's been printed in there.
Guest Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Labourites are only part of the story, and we have to create new ones. We won't do that if we have MPs making statements that will alienate the general public. That's not populism or compromising on principles, it's trying to win an election. And you must understand I'm not a part of any party. I don't want Labour or the Tories to win an election because they used the media well (that's how it works now anyway). I want to have people discuss what they really think and open their mind to what others think so that together as a country the UK can move forward. Politics is divisive when it could become unitary.
Guest Bilo Posted 13 September 2015 Posted 13 September 2015 Wait till you hear his 'Rivers of Emulsion' speech.. Wait till the painters have the whip hand over the plasterers. #webbowasright
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