Next Leader of the Opposition

[Guest]

Osborne doesn't exactly have qualifications that would suit him to the job as chancellor a 2.1 in modern history, the role doesn't require an expert, that said It'll be interesting to see how JM gets on in the job.

 

What qualifications do you actually need to be in a shadow position?

 

I'd have thought you'd be fed all the relevant info by others and just need to be a good debater.

[MPH]

He doesn't have a Government, he has an opposition front bench.

Indeed. I'm already hearing rumblings of a revolt.

What qualifications do you actually need to be in a shadow position?

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Most of them are shady people...

[Guest MattP]

Diane Abbott will now no longer appear on This Week due to front bench commitments.

Well whatever Jereny does I'll certainly thank him for that, no longer have to put up with her racist ramblings ruining the show every week.

[Strokes]

Do you not think it would be good?

It will only happen once the human race is extinct, so it's probably not the best thing to wish for.

[Claridge]

Do you not think it would be good?

Like a lot of the lefts ideas they sound great.

but in the real world they are often a little optimistic don't you think?

[bovril]

Like a lot of the lefts ideas they sound great.

but in the real world they are often a little optimistic don't you think?

 

World peace is an idea of the left? Well I never.

[Captain...]

Like a lot of the lefts ideas they sound great.

but in the real world they are often a little optimistic don't you think?

 

 

It is not an idea, it is an ideal, a mind set, an outlook, an overreaching philosophy...

 

He is not going to propose a bill for world peace, but when the choice is military intervention or non military means, he will always be pro non military action, those are his principles, those are what a quarter of a million people voted for as part of the leadership election and those are what people will be voting for should he be the leader of the Labour party at the next general election.

 

It is his clear principles that people like, and one that will differentiate him from certain war mongering former labour leaders.

[Claridge]

It is not an idea, it is an ideal, a mind set, an outlook, an overreaching philosophy...

He is not going to propose a bill for world peace, but when the choice is military intervention or non military means, he will always be pro non military action, those are his principles, those are what a quarter of a million people voted for as part of the leadership election and those are what people will be voting for should he be the leader of the Labour party at the next general election.

It is his clear principles that people like, and one that will differentiate him from certain war mongering former labour leaders.[/quote

That's great ,just hope all the nasty people in the world change their minds as well.

[Jimothy]

Perhaps he's saying this stuff is important whereas going on TV or yapping at PMQ's is going to do a lot less for the country/world.

Perhaps he doesn't have your priorities and that's why some people like this refreshing attitude.

But avoiding interviews on the highest profile Sunday morning political show won't help the party will it. Those things might be important to him, but he's going to have to sacrifice some of those things if wants to get people voting labour in 5 years time. The party has to come first now, not his own personal priorities. He accepted the role, it's time to step up to it.

[Guest Bilo]

But avoiding interviews on the highest profile Sunday morning political show won't help the party will it. Those things might be important to him, but he's going to have to sacrifice some of those things if wants to get people voting labour in 5 years time. The party has to come first now, not his own personal priorities. He accepted the role, it's time to step up to it.

 

I have to agree with this.

 

He's the leader of the largest political opposition party now, not just a fringe political group. It's time to engage with the wider public rather than the relative safety of protests.

[BlueSi13]

Surprised Burnham got a role in the shadow cabinet after he was secretly filmed saying Corbyn would be a disaster.

Just had a read of McDonnells comments on the IRA - what a vile human being.

 

Here's the quote:

 

"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."

 

Absolutely horrific.

 

So far then we have an an IRA adoring shadow chancellor that fantasises about murdering former Prime Ministers in John McDonnell, an anti-white racist in Diane Abbott, a sex-segragation supporting muslim bloc-vote panderer in Tom Watson, and all led by a man who counts people and organisations that seek the destruction of the West, Britain, Israel and the Christian and Jewish faiths as his personal friends.  

 

I USED to feel sorry for Labour.  But now I honestly feel like they truly deserve the destruction that will be brought upon them.  If I was in charge of UKIP I would start planning a merciless push into the Labour heartlands now.

[Claridge]

why is it worrying you so much?

Because the tories will take their eyes off the ball if its too easy and get involved in stupid scandals.

As much as I don't agree with most of what Labour stands for, I want an opposition that's not UKIP. They seem to have a lot to gain from the rubbish labour are offering at the moment

[Benji]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232255/And-finally-best-thing-Attlee.html

 

I live in Finsbury Park.  It's funny, I remember posting on here during the general election about a random man named Jeremy Corbyn who looked like a hippy and had a longstanding and significant majority in the area.  

 

I'd be surprised if more than 3 out of 5 in the area of working age do work.  The street cafes are filled all day and night of people doing fk all - I look like Where's Wally walking to work and home again.

[Rincewind]

Like the quote above says and I was called a liar for mentioning it it was after bs hunger strike that peace talks began. He believed in a cause right or wrong. The past has gone time to move on.

[Rincewind]

If corbyn had not attended the rally how would the thousands that voted for him think after he had said he supported them? He can appear on tv anytime.

[leicsmac]

It is not an idea, it is an ideal, a mind set, an outlook, an overreaching philosophy...

He is not going to propose a bill for world peace, but when the choice is military intervention or non military means, he will always be pro non military action, those are his principles, those are what a quarter of a million people voted for as part of the leadership election and those are what people will be voting for should he be the leader of the Labour party at the next general election.

It is his clear principles that people like, and one that will differentiate him from certain war mongering former labour leaders.[/quote

That's great ,just hope all the nasty people in the world change their minds as well.

Someone has to break the idiotic cycle of nationalist realpolitik before it results in the destruction of humanity...why not us giving it a go now?

Of course, it is high risk, given that, as you say, there are far too many cvnts in high places around the world who see other people as things.

[Webbo]

Like the quote above says and I was called a liar for mentioning it it was after bs hunger strike that peace talks began. He believed in a cause right or wrong. The past has gone time to move on.

Bobby Sands and the others went on hunger strike because they wanted special treatment in prison. This was in the early 80s the peace process started in the mid 90s with many IRA atrocities in between.

I remember this and you're older than me. Check your facts before coming out with such crap.

[Darkon84]

Like the quote above says and I was called a liar for mentioning it it was after bs hunger strike that peace talks began. He believed in a cause right or wrong. The past has gone time to move on.

 

Once again, check your history Rincey. He may have said that quote, but it certainly isn't correct. Practically labelling Bobby Sands as a hero of peace is quite frankly disgusting, no matter who says it.

[Rincewind]

Good points leicsmac.

[Guest MattP]

Once again, check your history Rincey. He may have said that quote, but it certainly isn't correct. Practically labelling Bobby Sands as a hero of peace is quite frankly disgusting, no matter who says it.

 

I'd give up.

 

The top liked comment on one of the Jeremy Corbyn for leader facebook posts was that ISIS are an invention of the Murdoch media, that's the sort of delusion we're going to be dealing from his "supporters" is in charge of the opposition.

[Darkon84]

I'd give up.

 

The top liked comment on one of the Jeremy Corbyn for leader facebook posts was that ISIS are an invention of the Murdoch media, that's the sort of delusion we're going to be dealing from his "supporters" is in charge of the opposition.

 

Considering the majority of my family are from Northern Ireland and have been caught up in the troubles in the past, I find the idea that Bobby Sands to be some kind of hero, actually insulting.

 

My god, is that actually true? I've kept myself away from those sort of pages, knowing full well that if I went on them I'd 1) Be unable to hold my tongue, and 2) A piece of me would die inside . It's incredible that some people actually believe such madness. I'm still trying to cling on to the hope that all the bandwagon jumpers will bore soon enough and move on to the next thing, therefore allowing the Labour party to re-elect and get things back on track. As funny as some of this stuff is at the minute, in the long run, I can't see it being beneficial to the country on a whole.

[Rincewind]

I see the front page of the Sun the other daycalling Corbyn a hypocrite  has been revealed  as  false. What a surprise.  Gutter press at its finest. They claimed that he kissed the queen's hand to get funding. The funding is automatic for being a member of the Privy Council and even the one in charge has distanced themselves from the story. How low will his opposition stoop to discredit him? It has already reached complete bullshit level.

Nice to see he does not sunk to the  same level  of personal abuse.

 

A quote from a report of his first meeting with Labour MP's. ATM it seems  Labour are gaining more members than losing. Time will tell if this changes.

 

 

He told MPs since he was elected on Saturday 28,000 people have joined the party as full members and 33,000 possible Prime Minister's Questions had been submitted from members of the public after asking for suggestions at the weekend.

 

 

I have not submitted a question but I am sure any that I have will be covered. He only asked for suggestions. It does not mean he will ask them all.   No doubt the public's questions would be on his list anyway but at least he is taking an interest.

 

I will now gracefully bow out of further comments if I can. I have gone as far as I can. It is unlikely that any Corbyn haters on here will budge from their views. I take the wait and see  viewpoint. It is early days and may well gain or lose support over the coming months or years depending on his approach, the media and public reaction to the media. There are many factors to be taken into account and many shades of grey.

 

That's all folks.

[Guest MattP]

Considering the majority of my family are from Northern Ireland and have been caught up in the troubles in the past, I find the idea that Bobby Sands to be some kind of hero, actually insulting.

 

My god, is that actually true? I've kept myself away from those sort of pages, knowing full well that if I went on them I'd 1) Be unable to hold my tongue, and 2) A piece of me would die inside . It's incredible that some people actually believe such madness. I'm still trying to cling on to the hope that all the bandwagon jumpers will bore soon enough and move on to the next thing, therefore allowing the Labour party to re-elect and get things back on track. As funny as some of this stuff is at the minute, in the long run, I can't see it being beneficial to the country on a whole.

 

Just have to ignore it, a lot of these people I don't actually think realise the seriousness of what they are saying a lot of the time when it comes to Northern Ireland.

 

I honestly don't know what I want regarding him anymore, obviously I'd like him in charge for the 2020 election bit when an opposition isn't electable you can see some awful things and huge social unrest on the streets, he's already showing little sign of even trying to appeal to anyone apart from those already in his comfort zone, it was a refugee march on Saturday and today he's speaking at a trade union conference.

[Guest MattP]

Pretty disgraceful from the BBC as well today....

 

 

He's not asleep at all, he's actually partially deaf and was listening to the speaker next to him so he can hear the debate, they have apologised but how can an organisation of that size and responsibility get something so wrong?

[Darkon84]

Just have to ignore it, a lot of these people I don't actually think realise the seriousness of what they are saying a lot of the time when it comes to Northern Ireland.

 

I honestly don't know what I want regarding him anymore, obviously I'd like him in charge for the 2020 election bit when an opposition isn't electable you can see some awful things and huge social unrest on the streets, he's already showing little sign of even trying to appeal to anyone apart from those already in his comfort zone, it was a refugee march on Saturday and today he's speaking at a trade union conference.

 

Unfortunately, I think you're right there, just have to let a lot of it slide.

 

As Facecloth has said, he's in a big boy job now so needs to act like it and needs to do what's best for the party and to try and sway the middle ground voters, and not just pander to his usual charity or protest functions/voters. It's going to be an interesting time, that's for sure!