Next Leader of the Opposition

[Buce]

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[Guest]

Ah, now it was tongue in cheek. Convenient.

 

Of course it was. I like Webbo, he's one of the best posters we have - especially in the Kodi thread where he helps me greatly. We went to the same secondary school, have similar backgrounds, like similar TV and books but differ slightly on political beliefs.

 

I'm pretty sure as a North Leicester 50+ year old he wasn't annoyed at all.

I never quote the Daily Mail, nor any other paper as fact. Occassionally I'll post a graph or something that's been printed in there.

 

Whatever. 

[Rincewind]

btw I'm allowed the straw men. I'd be a floating centre/ centre-left voter looking where to put my cross. I look at you Bilo, as the Labour rep on the board and I'm hoping that you influence me to vote Labour. Webbo/MattPetc... are the Tory reps. Rincy the Green. Johnny the Fox Ukip, Not quite sure who is repping Liberals these days though.

 

My beliefs mean that I should vote Labour but my financial position means it's not sure.

I think I am more Liberal humanitarian  than Green. Not LibDem I hasten to add.

[bovril]

Lots of straw men in this thread. I keep expecting to see Christopher Lee turn up.

[Webbo]

Of course it was. I like Webbo, he's one of the best posters we have - especially in the Kodi thread where he helps me greatly. We went to the same secondary school, have similar backgrounds, like similar TV and books but differ slightly on political beliefs.

 

I'm pretty sure as a North Leicester 50+ year old he wasn't annoyed at all.

 

Whatever. 

Suck up accepted.

[Guest]

Suck up accepted.

 

Cheers bud.

[BlueSi13]

Another great idea.

 

Ask the PM questions that the people want answered.

 

Or it's a sign of a man that hasn't had an ounce of responsibility during his entire political career and is already bottling it at the thought of facing Cameron and the Conservatives.  It's like asking mummy and daddy to do your own homework.

 

But in truth the government really doesn't need to push things too hard with Corbyn, his own party will see to him in time.

[Harry - LCFC]

I agree, ducking PMQs just looks like cowardice to me. Corbyn claimed he was going to challenge the Conservative's economic programme in a way that the others wouldn't and he's declined one of his better opportunities to do this.

[BlueSi13]

I agree, ducking PMQs just looks like cowardice to me. Corbyn claimed he was going to challenge the Conservative's economic programme in a way that the others wouldn't and he's declined one of his better opportunities to do this.

 

 

He's like an office receptionist that has somehow been promoted to the CEO position of a multinational.  Not a clue how he got there, and not a clue about what he's supposed to do now. 

 

His PR people, speech (and now question writers) are going to have to work around the clock to protect this guy I suspect.

[Guest]

He's like an office receptionist that has somehow been promoted to the CEO position of a multinational.  Not a clue how he got there, and not a clue about what he's supposed to do now. 

 

His PR people, speech (and now question writers) are going to have to work around the clock to protect this guy I suspect.

 

You just sound worried.

[Stadt]

How did you become so enlightened FIF?

[Charl91]

Why is it illogical? You're claiming that the right wing media, which is in fact around 5 national newspapers, that is read by a fraction of the people who read the BBC site and watch the BBC news is brainwashing the population. I don't know how anyone can claim it with a straight face.

It seems incomprehensible to the left that anyone can weigh up the evidence and decide that socialism is a bad idea. Believe me, it's not a hard conclusion to come to.

 

I never claimed that the BBC, nor left wing news papers don't influence people either. All I did is refute the claims that Murdoch's papers couldn't possibly influence people. If you disagree with that, and you believe they can't possibly factor into how people think, then you're a raving loony. 

 

Also, I'm not "the left". I've voted twice, and one of those times was for the Tories; some of us try and keep an open mind, rather than mindlessly backing the same parties without question. Funnily enough, not everyone fits into nice little left wing/right wing boxes. It does make me laugh though how a huge proportion of arguments on this forum seem to boil down to "lol lefties are stupid".

[Alf Bentley]

I agree, ducking PMQs just looks like cowardice to me. Corbyn claimed he was going to challenge the Conservative's economic programme in a way that the others wouldn't and he's declined one of his better opportunities to do this.

 

 

Is there any reliable source suggesting that he plans to duck PMQs?

 

All I've seen is him asking the public to suggest questions. Nothing wrong with that. There would be something wrong with it if he just asked the 7 most requested questions, but I'd be astonished if he did that. I presume he'll take suggestions into account, maybe ask 1 or 2 good questions that the public have suggested and decide the rest himself or after discussion with colleagues/advisers.

 

I really don't know what to expect of a Corbyn leadership.

 

One definite positive is that it will open up the terrain on which political debate takes place: austerity economics, social inequality, renationalisation of the railways, nuclear weapons....issues will be discussed that have been off the agenda for years, or they'll be discussed in a different way. Who'll benefit from that politically is quite another matter.

 

It has the potential to be a car crash. If he just spends his time calling for support for Hamas/Hezbollah, an open door for all refugees, billions of unexplained extra spending, withdrawal from NATO and mass renationalisation, then it will be a car crash.

 

But if he picks his fights a bit more carefully, then it's quite possible that he could build a popular left-wing platform. In that context, during his acceptance speech it was encouraging to see him pick on the cost and availability of housing. If you combine that with a few other popular left-wing issues - a reasonable boost to public investment / lending to small businesses, renationalisation of rail, a more generous policy towards refugees, better employment rights/apprenticeships for young people - then that could win wider support than the Tory boys think.

 

I saw Frank Field (independent-minded, but fairly right-wing Labour MP) earlier, though, and he made a good point about the refugee issue. Being more generous in the short-term might be a winner, while the public can remember the photos of the lad who drowned.....but that could quickly turn into a massive vote loser and cause of social strife, if borders are opened too wide on too unplanned a basis.

 

Interesting times, though - and it makes the EU referendum more interesting as Corbyn is quite Eurosceptic (can only see a minority of Labour MPs calling for a No vote, though).

 

His shadow cabinet appointments will tell us a lot - both about his approach (mainly leftist or broad church with a leftist slant?) and about the attitude of those who are more centrist.

 

Football time! 

[BlueSi13]

Is there any reliable source suggesting that he plans to duck PMQs?

 

All I've seen is him asking the public to suggest questions. Nothing wrong with that. There would be something wrong with it if he just asked the 7 most requested questions, but I'd be astonished if he did that. I presume he'll take suggestions into account, maybe ask 1 or 2 good questions that the public have suggested and decide the rest himself or after discussion with colleagues/advisers.

 

I really don't know what to expect of a Corbyn leadership.

 

One definite positive is that it will open up the terrain on which political debate takes place: austerity economics, social inequality, renationalisation of the railways, nuclear weapons....issues will be discussed that have been off the agenda for years, or they'll be discussed in a different way. Who'll benefit from that politically is quite another matter.

 

It has the potential to be a car crash. If he just spends his time calling for support for Hamas/Hezbollah, an open door for all refugees, billions of unexplained extra spending, withdrawal from NATO and mass renationalisation, then it will be a car crash.

 

But if he picks his fights a bit more carefully, then it's quite possible that he could build a popular left-wing platform. In that context, during his acceptance speech it was encouraging to see him pick on the cost and availability of housing. If you combine that with a few other popular left-wing issues - a reasonable boost to public investment / lending to small businesses, renationalisation of rail, a more generous policy towards refugees, better employment rights/apprenticeships for young people - then that could win wider support than the Tory boys think.

 

I saw Frank Field (independent-minded, but fairly right-wing Labour MP) earlier, though, and he made a good point about the refugee issue. Being more generous in the short-term might be a winner, while the public can remember the photos of the lad who drowned.....but that could quickly turn into a massive vote loser and cause of social strife, if borders are opened too wide on too unplanned a basis.

 

Interesting times, though - and it makes the EU referendum more interesting as Corbyn is quite Eurosceptic (can only see a minority of Labour MPs calling for a No vote, though).

 

His shadow cabinet appointments will tell us a lot - both about his approach (mainly leftist or broad church with a leftist slant?) and about the attitude of those who are more centrist.

 

Football time! 

Which was pretty much the case the last time Labour were in power then.  I believe immigration remains the most important issue to the electorate, so if Labour want to even attempt to win back middle England then they need to get with the programme on this.

You just sound worried.

[Guest]

How did you become so enlightened FIF?

 

It just came naturally.

[Webbo]

I never claimed that the BBC, nor left wing news papers don't influence people either. All I did is refute the claims that Murdoch's papers couldn't possibly influence people. If you disagree with that, and you believe they can't possibly factor into how people think, then you're a raving loony. 

 

Also, I'm not "the left". I've voted twice, and one of those times was for the Tories; some of us try and keep an open mind, rather than mindlessly backing the same parties without question. Funnily enough, not everyone fits into nice little left wing/right wing boxes. It does make me laugh though how a huge proportion of arguments on this forum seem to boil down to "lol lefties are stupid".

Did you vote tory because you were brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch?

[Charl91]

Did you vote tory because you were brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch?

 

Alright, I give in. Keep trolling all you like.

[Webbo]

Alright, I give in. Keep trolling all you like.

Trolling? I just refuting your claim that Murdoch tells us all what to think. It's a very patronising assumption.

[Rincewind]

I see nothing wrong in asking the publick about the questions to ask. He  has  been all over the country in the last couple of months listening  to peoples concerns. In fact he has always done it. How many MP's talk to the constituents other than election time? Will the questions he asks have been asked by previous  MP's?  We won't know until they are asked but they definately  will  not be easy questions to answer.

[Charl91]

Trolling? I just refuting your claim that Murdoch tells us all what to think. It's a very patronising assumption.

 

There's a difference between being told "exactly what to think" (which I haven't said), and some people being influenced by agendas in Newspapers (regardless of them being right/left wing).

 

If you honestly don't think that people are influenced by newspapers, then I don't believe I can hold a rational conversation with you.

[Webbo]

[Dr The Singh]

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That's one bitch that will be sucking satans cock for the rest of eternity, rott in hell, bitch!!!

[Webbo]

That's one bitch that will be sucking satans cock for the rest of eternity, rott in hell, bitch!!!

Lovely hair do though.

[Rincewind]

Jeremy Corbyn missed the Andrew Marr Show but he  had a  good  reason.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/13/jeremy-corbyn-andrew-marr-show-mental-health-fundraiser_n_8129766.html?1442157674

[Dr The Singh]

Lovely hair do though.

With Satan's cum all over it, yes, i agree!!