Next Leader of the Opposition

[Rincewind]

The woman just on was saying the same as me. His election will make the other MP's take note instead of sitting quietly in the background.

[Buce]

Political Party for sale.

£3, no offers.

Bullshit.

Corbyn would have won without the registered voters - he topped the poll among members and affiliates.

Like it or not, he has a massive mandate from the party.

[EnderbyFox]

An unhappy Tony Blair and a resigning Rachel Reeves is making me warm to Corbyn already

 

 

 

[Guest]

 

Fair play to him!

 

 

Has he always supported Chelsea?

[Buce]

As for underestimating the public, the only thing I underestimated this year was the amount of Conservative voters out there.

If the left seriously want to believe the public will galvanise behind Corbyn go for it, but yet again it will be the same people proven wrong time and time again whether it's Foot, Kinnock, Miliband or Corbyn.

More people didn't vote at all than voted for the Tories. If those voters can be galvanized to use their vote, anything can happen. Corbyn's biggest challenge is getting his message across to the kind of people who base their views on soundbites from a hostile media, as so many on here clearly do.

[ozleicester]

Dont know the man except that he sounds as though hes very left... what a wonderful thing. In oz we two versions of the conservatives...would love to have a strongly left even socialist labor party.

 

Change is a comin

[Guest Bilo]

Bullshit.

Corbyn would have won without the registered voters - he topped the poll among members and affiliates.

Like it or not, he has a massive mandate from the party.

 

Crucially, only with 49% from members though.

 

He'd have needed a second round, and the second preferences from Kendall certainly wouldn't have gone to Corbyn.

 

It would have been more like the Deputy result if not for the £3ers.

[EnderbyFox]

The media are going to love this new "Tom & Jerry" duo 

[johnny the fox]

Corbyn not preparing any notes for his speech will be a metaphor for his leadership I fear...

[Guest Bilo]

Worth pointing out that the turnout was only 76% as well. 

 

The idea that any one candidate is the person to engage all non-voters looks a little fanciful when 24% of Labour Party members/£3ers/affilated supporters didn't even bother to vote.

Corbyn not preparing any notes for his speech will be a metaphor for his leadership I fear...

 

Corbyn did, Watson didn't.

[Guest]

Crucially, only with 49% from members though.

 

He'd have needed a second round, and the second preferences from Kendall certainly wouldn't have gone to Corbyn.

 

It would have been more like the Deputy result if not for the £3ers.

 

no, those 5% would probably have gone to twoface.

 

but would some of those Burnham supporters have put Corbyn above her?

 

If she'd got in you don't really think Labour would be a threat in 2020 do you?

 

I'm just hoping this motivates real political talk now.

Worth pointing out that the turnout was only 76% as well. 

 

The idea that any one candidate is the person to engage all non-voters looks a little fanciful when 24% of Labour Party members/£3ers/affilated supporters didn't even bother to vote.

 

Corbyn did, Watson didn't.

 

Straws.

[Guest Bilo]

no, those 5% would probably have gone to twoface.

 

but would some of those Burnham supporters have put Corbyn above her?

 

If she'd got in you don't really think Labour would be a threat in 2020 do you?

 

I'm just hoping this motivates real political talk now.

 

Straws.

 

Not straws at all.

 

If you look back over the election, a key argument from the Corbyn supporters has been that he is the person to engage the non-voters and that non-voters simply wanted an alternative to austerity and two main parties that were too similar.

 

When Labour Party members were offered the chance to elect a Labour Party leader, 24% didn't take the opportunity. These are people who are politically engaged enough to join, and pay money to support, a left-of-centre party. Surely, if Corbyn was the inspiration for disillusioned left-wingers, then the turnout should have been a minimum of 80 odd per cent. If this election race, well publicised and with a decidedly left wing candidate having a real chance of winning from the outset for the first time in decades, still left nearly a quarter of Labour Party members and supporters feeling uninspired to the point they couldn't even be bothered to vote online, what chance does he have of engaging those politically apathetic voters who don't vote because they don't give a stuff about politics?

 

If you are as intelligent as you clearly think you are, you'll be able to see the flaw in the 'Corbyn will engage the non-voting minority' argument.

 

Now, let's say that the 4.5% of votes from Liz Kendall went to Cooper, what we'd have seen is Burnham bowing out and therefore Burnham's second preferences being distributed among Corbyn and Cooper. This would give Corbyn victory still, but not the landslide victory that the £3ers effectively handed him. In terms of people who are actually members of the party today, his mandate is valid but not as unshakeable as the distorted election result suggests.

[johnny the fox]

Worth pointing out that the turnout was only 76% as well. 

 

The idea that any one candidate is the person to engage all non-voters looks a little fanciful when 24% of Labour Party members/£3ers/affilated supporters didn't even bother to vote.

 

Corbyn did, Watson didn't.

if he did that is even more worrying..

[Guest]

Not straws at all.

 

If you look back over the election, a key argument from the Corbyn supporters has been that he is the person to engage the non-voters and that non-voters simply wanted an alternative to austerity and two main parties that were too similar.

 

When Labour Party members were offered the chance to elect a Labour Party leader, 24% didn't take the opportunity. These are people who are politically engaged enough to join, and pay money to support, a left-of-centre party. Surely, if Corbyn was the inspiration for disillusioned left-wingers, then the turnout should have been a minimum of 80 odd per cent. If this election race, well publicised and with a decidedly left wing candidate having a real chance of winning from the outset for the first time in decades, still left nearly a quarter of Labour Party members and supporters feeling uninspired to the point they couldn't even be bothered to vote online, what chance does he have of engaging those politically apathetic voters who don't vote because they don't give a stuff about politics?

 

If you are as intelligent as you clearly think you are, you'll be able to see the flaw in the 'Corbyn will engage the non-voting minority' argument.

 

Now, let's say that the 4.5% of votes from Liz Kendall went to Cooper, what we'd have seen is Burnham bowing out and therefore Burnham's second preferences being distributed among Corbyn and Cooper. This would give Corbyn victory still, but not the landslide victory that the £3ers effectively handed him. In terms of people who are actually members of the party today, his mandate is valid but not as unshakeable as the distorted election result suggests.

 

It's a straw because those same voters didn't want to vote for any of your 3 candidates either. Maybe they were all right wing voters.

 

Don't understand your comment about my intelligence. I'm as intelligent as I am and it changes nothing.

 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that his mandate is far far stronger than any of the others in the party. 

[Guest]

if he did that is even more worrying..

 

You don't think we actually thik anything you say is relevant after the comments you make on various threads on this board do you?

 

I'd look for you comments only on news concerning a penis.

[The Doctor]

Anyone who thinks Labour will do well under Corbyn actually want to put their money where their mouth is?

 

Define "do well". I think he won't do as badly as people think, 2020 was already a tory win barring a catastrophe to the same sort of scale as the 2008 crash, regardless of who won this, but I can see him doing ok if he lasts that long, certainly better than Milliband and Brown.

[Guest Bilo]

It's a straw because those same voters didn't want to vote for any of your 3 candidates either. Maybe they were all right wing voters.

 

Don't understand your comment about my intelligence. I'm as intelligent as I am and it changes nothing.

 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that his mandate is far far stronger than any of the others in the party. 

 

I'm merely pointing out that he's not going to have quite the same effect on the general electorate that his supporters claimed during the election. The man has barely been leader for two hours and his supporters have already been proved wrong on a key argument.

 

Yes, his mandate to govern the party is strong. This is a point you keep repeating, and a point I have already accepted.

 

Let's not overestimate this victory though, the number of votes he gained still only equates to 0.05% of the electorate at a General Election. The hard work starts here, and he starts it with a PLP who don't want him and where Shadow Cabinet members have already begun to hand in their resignations. Some would say 'Go Join The Tories Then,' but that won't wash for a minute. 

[Webbo]

If he doesn't do well I guarantee it will be the right wing media's fault and not his.

[Guest Bilo]

Define "do well". I think he won't do as badly as people think, 2020 was already a tory win barring a catastrophe to the same sort of scale as the 2008 crash, regardless of who won this, but I can see him doing ok if he lasts that long, certainly better than Milliband and Brown.

 

Miliband actually did OK in the popular vote, but bombed in the marginals. That was what caused our defeat.

 

I can't see Corbyn converting UKIPpers, Soft Tories and other floating voters somehow. What he will do though is to unite the left-wing vote and turn safe-ish seats into safe seats. 

[johnny the fox]

You don't think we actually thik anything you say is relevant after the comments you make on various threads on this board do you?

 

I'd look for you comments only on news concerning a penis.

we? so you speak for everybody on here do you?  what a arrogant fool you are ....take a day off..

[Buce]

we? so you speak for everybody on here do you? what a arrogant fool you are ....take a day off..

He speaks for me.

[Buce]

Crucially, only with 49% from members though.

He'd have needed a second round, and the second preferences from Kendall certainly wouldn't have gone to Corbyn.

It would have been more like the Deputy result if not for the £3ers.

That's democracy.

If Labour were elected to government on 49% of the vote, I'm sure you would view that as an overwhelming mandate to govern; there would be no talk about the 51% who didn't vote for them, or about the percentage of non-voters.

You are starting to sound sour, Bilo, and it doesn't suit you.

[Guest]

I'm merely pointing out that he's not going to have quite the same effect on the general electorate that his supporters claimed during the election. The man has barely been leader for two hours and his supporters have already been proved wrong on a key argument.

 

Yes, his mandate to govern the party is strong. This is a point you keep repeating, and a point I have already accepted.

 

Let's not overestimate this victory though, the number of votes he gained still only equates to 0.05% of the electorate at a General Election. The hard work starts here, and he starts it with a PLP who don't want him and where Shadow Cabinet members have already begun to hand in their resignations. Some would say 'Go Join The Tories Then,' but that won't wash for a minute. 

Obviously he won't have the effect that corbynites claimed, sadly burnhamites and cooperites were even further out with their claims.

 

I keep repeating it because you keep poo pooing his right whilst the others have no mandate at all.

 

The quitters are doing him the favour of having to sack them. Not only are they too right wing they are also spineless.

 

Some would stay stop your crying and back the man that the PARTY members wanted to lead their party, Your martydom is pathetic.

[Guest]

If he doesn't do well I guarantee it will be the right wing media's fault and not his.

 

glad to see that you finally understand Webbo.

 

The media and their brainwashing and soundbyte pumping are as much if not more to blame for the lack of political debate in Britain than any politician.

[Guest]

we? so you speak for everybody on here do you?  what a arrogant fool you are ....take a day off..

 

No, I'm AN arrogant fool. but I dare say I speak for at least 1 or 2 others which would make that a "we" wouldn't it?