Rincewind Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 This could go in about four threads that I have suffered reading. Paranoia Footsteps.Drawing ever closer.Increasingly louder.I stop.Wait.Intake of breath.Look around.No one.Just blackness.I walk faster.Heart pounding.Silence.Then...Footsteps louder.Closer.Glimpse of long hair.Ring in nose.Leather coat.Paranoid mode.‘Dropped yer wallet mate?’' Oh! Thanks.’
Rincewind Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 Why don't you actually stop to engage your brain occasionally? It's a bloody good job you don't have to answer personally to the people you insult. Have you ever written for a proper newspaper? I've worked for several and have NEVER been given any sort of idealogical agenda. Nor have I ever been asked to doctor the information given to me or what I believed to be the truth. As for readers "going along" with everything reported are you for real? There's a letters page even in the Leicester Mercury to furnish you with widespread evidence to the contrary. Newspapers at every level are taken to task all the time and there also a kind of ombudsman or complaints authority that is constantly kept busy. Standards might have dropped due to the economic effects of circulation drops with the advent of the internet but at the Birmingham Post & Mail I can assure you they were pissed off even if there was a spelling mistake in their publication let alone reporting that couldn't be defended with facts. In an earlier post someone said that the leftie newspapers like the guardian it was against their agenda to reported incidents regarding rapes by migrants. I just pointed out that the same could be said about the right wing newspapers in how they report them. I worked with a community news agency and found that there was a vast difference in news reports from different angles. I agree about checking on stories which we had to check on before posting on our own site. Many stories were only available from those involved and not all newspapers reported on them. We found that the majority of stories concerning homelessness and social issues were from the Guardian and the stories highlighting 'shirkers and workers' and 'terrorist threats from immigrants' were from the Mail. We even found stories in the Birmingham post that were not reported nationally. Look at the link in my sig for stories that come from various sources but are not regarded as more worthy for the public than some celebs latest boob job. Even at community media level we had to check the sources and we also went over with a fine tooth comb to check for errors. It was the 'It is the Guardian so they have an agenda, it is the Mail so they tell the truth' I was questioning. I thought it was a tad one sided. I think there should be a middle ground and not instantly believe one newspaper report because it agrees with your POV. There are two sides to every story. And where have I insulted anyone. I take insults as much as anyone else on here if not more. I have not intentionally made any personal insults towards anyone on here. I only said that I greed with MC and you had a go at me. I said that different papers aim for different audiences. What is wrong with that?
MooseBreath Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 No pub tonight The way home shuffle I ain't wanna do it But I just got paid and I ain't wanna lose it Focus, left side, cardboard box Move to the right, pretend that I'm lost "Excuse me.." trailing off, don't care, I'm off One down, no loss, check shoes, still boss 2nd one, dog in tow, under blanket of yellow snow Looks no threat, perhaps asleep, get too close, our eyes meet "Excuse me mate", the man implores, "spare some change" and now I can't ignore Wallet out, cash gone, tax man some, more to this bum. No pub tonight.
Buce Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 No pub tonight The way home shuffle I ain't wanna do it But I just got paid and I ain't wanna lose it Focus, left side, cardboard box Move to the right, pretend that I'm lost "Excuse me.." trailing off, don't care, I'm off One down, no loss, check shoes, still boss 2nd one, dog in tow, under blanket of yellow snow Looks no threat, perhaps asleep, get too close, our eyes meet "Excuse me mate", the man implores, "spare some change" and now I can't ignore Wallet out, cash gone, tax man some, more to this bum. No pub tonight. Don't give-up the day job. Those burgers won't flip themselves..
MooseBreath Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 Don't give-up the day job. Those burgers won't flip themselves.. That's the most amazing thing about burger flipping jokes, they never get old, and the people telling them always seem completely on top of their comedy game and not at all like dried up old sour faced toads.
Buce Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 That's the most amazing thing about burger flipping jokes, they never get old, and the people telling them always seem completely on top of their comedy game and not at all like dried up old sour faced toads. Have a good day, Moose.
Rincewind Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 If it scanned it might have had potential. Reminds me of a time a couple of years back. I used to see a young bloke on the way into town. I sometimes had A city shirt on (if Saturday) and I gave him a quid a couple of times. After the first two or three times I started to say no. (I was unemployed and often short of cash) Anyway one day I went in the Standard for a half which was my limit for the day. Who should walk in but him. He asked to be helped out and I obliged. He then said 'Thanks I can get a decent pint now' It was after that I thought no more matey. I asked how he knew I was there and he had seen me through the window. Don't see him so much now. He may well have sorted himself out. I hope so for his sake. The other week I had a kid aged about 10 ask for spare change. He was with others. I don't think I could go up to strangers and ask for money. You either have to be very low or have no sense of pride.
Thracian Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 Save for the wishes of the victims I don't see any reason why all rapes shouldn't be reported and certainly don't see one as necessarily worse than another. Like every crime there should be a trial and judgement accordingly. But Matt's point is still a valid one. Every country has rapists but it is one thing having to suffer the shame of dealing with our own rapists and quite another to wilfully import some more. As I've said there needs to me far more vigilant checks and far greater requirements of invited incomers and a situation where we can immediately deal with any incomer found to have gained admission under false pretences or who subsequently throws our hospitality back in our faces by behaving in any way that is against our interests. Save for the wishes of the victims I don't see any reason why all rapes shouldn't be reported and certainly don't see one as necessarily worse than another. Like every crime there should be a trial and judgement accordingly. But Matt's point is still a valid one. Every country has rapists but it is one thing having to suffer the shame of dealing with our own rapists and quite another to wilfully import some more. As I've said there needs to me far more vigilant checks and far greater requirements of invited incomers and a situation where we can immediately deal with any incomer found to have gained admission under false pretences or who subsequently throws our hospitality back in our faces by behaving in any way that is against our interests. Save for the wishes of the victims I don't see any reason why all rapes shouldn't be reported and certainly don't see one as necessarily worse than another. Like every crime there should be a trial and judgement accordingly. But Matt's point is still a valid one. Every country has rapists but it is one thing having to suffer the shame of dealing with our own rapists and quite another to wilfully import some more. As I've said there needs to me far more vigilant checks and far greater requirements of invited incomers and a situation where we can immediately deal with any incomer found to have gained admission under false pretences or who subsequently throws our hospitality back in our faces by behaving in any way that is against our interests. Save for the wishes of the victims I don't see any reason why all rapes shouldn't be reported and certainly don't see one as necessarily worse than another. Like every crime there should be a trial and judgement accordingly. But Matt's point is still a valid one. Every country has rapists but it is one thing having to suffer the shame of dealing with our own rapists and quite another to wilfully import some more. As I've said there needs to me far more vigilant checks and far greater requirements of invited incomers and a situation where we can immediately deal with any incomer found to have gained admission under false pretences or who subsequently throws our hospitality back in our faces by behaving in any way that is against our interests. Talking of checks and of the tangible risks being taken with the future of schoolchildren in this country it seems Ofsted are now calling for a crackdown on illegal schools and after reading this it's hardly surprising. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-34786193 There should clearly also be an enquiry into why Birmingham City Council failed to act on the concerns expressed earlier by Ofsted and who were the councillors responsible for that failure. Because clearly if councils are shown to be failing in their duty then those responsible should be disqualified from being councillors. I also wonder how much this particular problem is mirrored in other places where they have Labour councils and people who might see a vested interest in ensuring such schools remain operative. Because it seems that some people seem to think it's okay to avoid doing certain required things or acting according to guidance if it can be seen to serve their own wishes or purposes. Indeed it increasingly emphasises that some Labour administrations - if my suspicions are confirmed - may be becoming a serious risk to our way of life and the balanced/inclusive upbringing of young children.
Thracian Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 And before anyone misinterprets my strong views about radicalisation and the need for our country to be vigilant, I think this deserves mention too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35054442
Rincewind Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 I saw that too. Glad somebody else posted it. Also saw a video about a group of Muslims in Syria that have been volunteering for the past few years to help victims of bombings. There may be some terrorists hiding amongst the ones fleeing from the troubles there but if there is more bombing resulting in more refugees there could be even more terrorists hiding amongst them and may be much harder to spot. That is worrying.
MooseBreath Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 There's no doubt that terrorists have hidden among the refugees. We've had a successful plot or a plot foiled every few days for the last month or so. This weekend they found some Syrian refugees with explosives planning an imminent attack in Switzerland. It's crazy out there. I'd be genuinely scared if I had to be in central London regularly at the moment. The way to solve this problem is to not let the "refugees" in.
Rincewind Posted 13 December 2015 Posted 13 December 2015 That would increase the number trying to enter illegally so the measures they do have in effect will not work.
Thracian Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 There's no doubt that terrorists have hidden among the refugees. We've had a successful plot or a plot foiled every few days for the last month or so. This weekend they found some Syrian refugees with explosives planning an imminent attack in Switzerland. It's crazy out there. I'd be genuinely scared if I had to be in central London regularly at the moment. The way to solve this problem is to not let the "refugees" in. There's no doubt that terrorists have hidden among the refugees. We've had a successful plot or a plot foiled every few days for the last month or so. This weekend they found some Syrian refugees with explosives planning an imminent attack in Switzerland. It's crazy out there. I'd be genuinely scared if I had to be in central London regularly at the moment. The way to solve this problem is to not let the "refugees" in. Complete diligence is the answer but without the constraints of EU law. Especially now it's known that IS have seized passport copying facilities from the Syrians. No, you couldn't make it up. Yet some still advocate keeping our doors wide open. Is the Labour Party so desperate for votes these days? Or just a haven for far too many people who seem to despise this country.
Thracian Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 That would increase the number trying to enter illegally so the measures they do have in effect will not work. Then the measures wouldn't be effective enough! And the EU would be letting us down. I trust, therefore, that you'd join me in leaving the EU?.
Thracian Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 Why does Sweden take 17x more than us? No idea but it's causing them desperate problems. http://www.dw.com/en/sweden-hits-refugee-crisis-zero-hour/a-18863702
Rincewind Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 Complete diligence is the answer but without the constraints of EU law. Especially now it's known that IS have seized passport copying facilities from the Syrians. No, you couldn't make it up. Yet some still advocate keeping our doors wide open. Is the Labour Party so desperate for votes these days? Or just a haven for far too many people who seem to despise this country. I don't see it as a political thing more humanitarian. I am sure there are some Tories that do not want a ban on refugees. Why does everything related to having compassion have to be left wing? You are probably right and I am overthinking again. Then the measures wouldn't be effective enough! And the EU would be letting us down. I trust, therefore, that you'd join me in leaving the EU?. I meant that they would find other ways. The prohibition in America did not stop the sale of alcohol. There was more crime related to it than before. The numbers that do slip in are small. The majority are fleeing from ISIS not towards them.I'd rather not piss more of them off. I can see both POV though so I'll go and sit on the fence now. I have no strong opinion either way on the EU. So I will make no comment on it.
MooseBreath Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 'Compassion' has become synonymous with naivety lately. Probably the most dangerously abused word of 2015.
Guest Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 There's no doubt that terrorists have hidden among the refugees. We've had a successful plot or a plot foiled every few days for the last month or so. This weekend they found some Syrian refugees with explosives planning an imminent attack in Switzerland. It's crazy out there. I'd be genuinely scared if I had to be in central London regularly at the moment. The way to solve this problem is to not let the "refugees" in.
Guest Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 'Compassion' has become synonymous with naivety lately. Probably the most dangerously abused word of 2015. And racism has become synonymous with security.
MooseBreath Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 And racism has become synonymous with security. I admit I almost bit there, good trolling
Rincewind Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 I admit I almost bit there, good trolling I liked the reply although I think bigotry would have been an equally good word. (throw the line out)
MooseBreath Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 I liked the reply although I think bigotry would have been an equally good word. (throw the line out) Make that joke to the families of people killed by IS fighters pretending to be refugees and see how much they laugh. Very distasteful trolling.
Rincewind Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 Not a joke. I just do not see how compassion equals a bad thing to have. It would cut down on all the hate from all sides. A little thought and taking a step back instead of rushing headfirst into more trouble also helps.
bovril Posted 14 December 2015 Posted 14 December 2015 To talk only about terrorism is misleading. The sheer number of people creates issues, as well as the pace of the influx. Germany has prepared itself for 1.5 million refugees, nearly the population of Latvia. And the whole thing has been so piss-poorly managed, from the EU burying its head in the sand for at least 2 years, Merkel's rather naive proclamations this summer to Germany and Sweden's embarrassing backtracking this winter. A few terrorists arriving seems to be beside the point, especially as there are plenty of home grown extremists already in Europe.
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