Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 Need a C change in parole and thinking. Immigrants boost an economy, it's been shown in many places and here in the UK. EU immigration certainly does over the short term, non EEA immigration actually costs the country a fortune (just short of a quarter of what the native population costs). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497
bmt Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 EU immigration certainly does over the short term, non EEA immigration actually costs the country a fortune (just short of a quarter of what the native population costs). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497 And yet the image below that (in your source article) says they added 5 billion between 2001 and 2011. I don't know if I am being ignorant but what changed over that period? Surely those figures can't be right.
Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 And yet the image below that (in your source article) says they added 5 billion between 2001 and 2011. I don't know if I am being ignorant but what changed over that period? Surely those figures can't be right. A lot of the immigrants become British citizens and therefore move from the migrant section to the native section. (Although I'd imagine the amount of asylum seekers taken from places like Somalia etc is a bigger factor in it costing us a fortune post 1997, their communites have appalling levels of employment) I don't doubt EU migration is good economically in the immediate future but I just hate this lie that immigration as a whole makes a positive financial contribution to the UK, it simply doesn't. It's a piece of political rhetoric that no one is ever interested in actually arguing about either, it's quite weird.
Strokes Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 A lot of the immigrants become British citizens and therefore move from the migrant section to the native section. (Although I'd imagine the amount of asylum seekers taken from places like Somalia etc is a bigger factor in it costing us a fortune post 1997, their communites have appalling levels of employment) I don't doubt EU migration is good economically in the immediate future but I just hate this lie that immigration as a whole makes a positive financial contribution to the UK, it simply doesn't. It's a piece of political rhetoric that no one is ever interested in actually arguing about either, it's quite weird. It also doesn't include the extra investment required to bring the infrastructure upto standard, (probably because we don't invest in this) it's not like we have empty seats in classrooms, spare beds in hospitals, quiet roads or social housing aplenty is it? This requires immediate investment at what point do you see a return?
Guest Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 EU immigration certainly does over the short term, non EEA immigration actually costs the country a fortune (just short of a quarter of what the native population costs). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497 You seem to be looking very short term. I'm sure most massive immigrations cost in the short term but over the longer term are a great help to the country. Again I point to the groups I mentioned earlier who would mostly be British nationals now. It also doesn't include the extra investment required to bring the infrastructure upto standard, (probably because we don't invest in this) it's not like we have empty seats in classrooms, spare beds in hospitals, quiet roads or social housing aplenty is it? This requires immediate investment at what point do you see a return? And improving the infrastructure isn't a good thing for the whole of Britain?
Strokes Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 You seem to be looking very short term. And improving the infrastructure isn't a good thing for the whole of Britain? Yes but how much do we invest, how many are coming Fif?
RedSoxUK Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 RE: Calais They're still there, instead now they have built a church* , built shops, and built a mini-school within their grounds. I heard the crime rape is phenominal and they have a big problem with rape. Plus the 'shop' has all the products given to the Calais migrants to divi out, and they're selling them. So it's become a bit more civilised to their own norm tbh.
MooseBreath Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 over the longer term are a great help to the country. In what ways exactly? Any decent stats or studies on this?
Guest Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 In what ways exactly? Any decent stats or studies on this? Yes look up the asian/Ugandan immigrant studies and the poles immigrant studies.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 October 2015 Posted 3 October 2015 I can tell you for a fact that we didn't receive any newspapers here as a direct result of physical entities breaking into the channel tunnel last night. Obviously migrants at Calais are a myth which begs the question: What are these entities that continuously try to break into the UK via the tunnel and why are the media pretending they're illegal aliens? Has the local wildlife mutated into horrors that attack the tunnel each night? It's the only other conclusion I can come to...
bovril Posted 19 October 2015 Posted 19 October 2015 Thousands of migrants stuck at borders around the Balkans. One guy shot after a group of Afghans tried to cross the Bulgaria / Turkey border.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 https://www.facebook.com/Foodforthought2015?fref=ts
Darkon84 Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 https://www.facebook.com/Foodforthought2015?fref=ts It's nice that people are going out of their way to do these kind of things, but wasn't it reported that there are too many doing it now and there's a surplus. Maybe write to them about helping our own homeless?
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It's nice that people are going out of their way to do these kind of things, but wasn't it reported that there are too many doing it now and there's a surplus. Maybe write to them about helping our own homeless? I did see it mentioned on here. Don't know about anywhere else. These are chefs though so helping in a different way. I think those running TRFP have contacts. I could ask about it and finding out facts from their perspective. To just turn up without organising contact with any organisation would not be a good idea and could as you say lead to there being too many. Things have to be done through the right channel.. (no pun intended)
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It's nice that people are going out of their way to do these kind of things, but wasn't it reported that there are too many doing it now and there's a surplus. Maybe write to them about helping our own homeless? Agree, I would rather support our own homeless people than "refugess" already in a safe country trying to illegally jump to another safe country.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Agree, I would rather support our own homeless people than "refugess" already in a safe country trying to illegally jump to another safe country. I've heard that argument in France too. But they don't and I'm pretty sure you don't support English homeless. It's just an excuse.
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I've heard that argument in France too. But they don't and I'm pretty sure you don't support English homeless. It's just an excuse. I do the odd bit, donate to shelter, big issue, xmas homeless boxes at work etc Put it this way, I do more for them than the savages we see on the news in Calais.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 There are many arriving hungry with no clothes or belongings except for what they are carrying. Was it Austria where people were coming out on the streets to give the children toys? I agree about helping our own thought. If this goes away and ends people will go back to their normal lives satisfied they have done their bit but forgetting we have problems and people in need in this country.
Buce Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I've heard that argument in France too. But they don't and I'm pretty sure you don't support English homeless. It's just an excuse. Surely you don't think homeless people need help? They are all lazy/drunks/junkies, and far too busy counting the untold riches obtained through begging, to get a job. I know it's true, coz Moose says so, and he wears a suit.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I do the odd bit, donate to shelter, big issue, xmas homeless boxes at work etc Put it this way, I do more for them than the savages we see on the news in Calais. Then I apologise for any aspersion I may have cast.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Surely you don't think homeless people need help? They are all lazy/drunks/junkies, and far too busy counting the untold riches obtained through begging, to get a job. I know it's true, coz Moose says so, and he wears a suit. You forgot the important bit about them being completely covered in piss from head to toe. Surely you don't think homeless people need help? They are all lazy/drunks/junkies, and far too busy counting the untold riches obtained through begging, to get a job. I know it's true, coz Moose says so, and he wears a suit. Latex suits don't count.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Mr Khan @therealmrkhan Sep 27 Will someone tell Britain First that we immigrants got message loud and clear. Come to Britain First!! We did, thank you. This comedian makes fun of Muslims and there is no group asking for him to be banned.
ozleicester Posted 21 October 2015 Posted 21 October 2015 The taking care of our own is a misnomer really... who is British, how many generations must you go back to be one of our own? Must you be a Roman... a Viking.. a Saxon...a Norman etc etc? The world has enough to take care of us all.
Merging Cultures Posted 21 October 2015 Posted 21 October 2015 The taking care of our own is a misnomer really... who is British, how many generations must you go back to be one of our own? Must you be a Roman... a Viking.. a Saxon...a Norman etc etc? The world has enough to take of us all. Or just a British citizen. Start there.
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