Guest Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Japan. of course they have migrants. And lots of cross breeding.
MooseBreath Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Japan, South Korea, Brazil Anywhere in Asia or South America has low immigration really. Africa too I suppose. Plus eastern Europe, the likes of Turkey, Poland etc Most of the world in other words.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Japan. India!! Japan, South Korea, Brazil Anywhere in Asia or South America has low immigration really. Africa too I suppose. Plus eastern Europe, the likes of Turkey, Poland etc Most of the world in other words. India!! The reason is cus it's relatively a shit place!!
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Japan, South Korea, Brazil Anywhere in Asia or South America has low immigration really. Africa too I suppose. Plus eastern Europe, the likes of Turkey, Poland etc Most of the world in other words. Wrong to all...Cross border immigrants a many. Africa countries are full of ex and present migrants. S.Americas....oh dear, oh dear..nothing but... Asia..bloody full of them..including Japan. Eastern Europe, more than most... Turkey..laughable.. Education, Education....read learn travel, if not dont guess..!!!
DennisNedry Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Isn't most of South America populated by Spanish/Portuguese descent?
MooseBreath Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Wrong to all...Cross border immigrants a many. Africa countries are full of ex and present migrants. S.Americas....oh dear, oh dear..nothing but... Asia..bloody full of them..including Japan. Eastern Europe, more than most... Turkey..laughable.. Education, Education....read learn travel, if not dont guess..!!! OK....!! #thing is A) that wasn't a guess........ : And 2) it was based on official immigration statiatica ** *of course, it depends, how far back (you want to go but you, didn't define 'that' ÷÷÷¿
Rincewind Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Don't be too hard on him. He is just trying to keep the discussion going.
MooseBreath Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Isn't most of South America populated by Spanish/Portuguese descent?Yeah but that happened in what, the 16th century? Hardly relevant to a discussion of modern day immigration is it? South America currently has low levels of immigration according to the stats. I'm not sure what the point being made is anyway. Because human beings have gone around the world colonising countries and waging war on the native populations in the past we should be happy to accept it happening to us in the present?
Guest MattP Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Yeah but that happened in what, the 16th century? Hardly relevant to a discussion of modern day immigration is it? South America currently has low levels of immigration according to the stats. I'm not sure what the point being made is anyway. Because human beings have gone around the world colonising countries and waging war on the native populations in the past we should be happy to accept it happening to us in the present? It is peculiar. Someone was even arguing on Radio 4 last week that America was an example of why we should encourage mass immigration, I doubt the indigenous population saw it as a huge success.
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 OK....!! #thing is A) that wasn't a guess........ : And 2) it was based on official immigration statiatica ** *of course, it depends, how far back (you want to go but you, didn't define 'that' ÷÷÷¿ Statiatica hides behind/forgotten many untruths, they forget repatriation, mixed breeding ( dont like that word) the bending of family tradition and hiding of noble family mixing.The long travelling of both high low class groups. Japan conveniently try to push this out of the minds eye.But maybe the 1 country that could argue the point, but then again One can fool oneself into non-believing or forgetting and denying conveniently your ancient and modern pasts. That the rest of the onlookers are not even bothered to question it.
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 It is peculiar. Someone was even arguing on Radio 4 last week that America was an example of why we should encourage mass immigration, I doubt the indigenous population saw it as a huge success. If you are refering to the so called red indian, they were also migrants, who murdered, pilgered, even pilaged their merry wayclaiming terrorities as their own, well before the modern white man got involved..
Darkon84 Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 If you are refering to the so called red indian, they were also migrants, who murdered, pilgered their way claiming terrorities as their own, well before the modern white man got involved.. Care to expand on that? EDIT: Actually, forget it, that's for a completely different thread on another day, we perhaps shouldn't digress from the discussion here.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Wrong to all...Cross border immigrants a many. Africa countries are full of ex and present migrants. S.Americas....oh dear, oh dear..nothing but... Asia..bloody full of them..including Japan. Eastern Europe, more than most... Turkey..laughable.. Education, Education....read learn travel, if not dont guess..!!! India????
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 The very modern migrant distasetfull arguments, are based on 1) black white raciism 2) Often type or tribe racism. Indians, Asian, Africans conventuently forget the migrant x and racist hate in their old contries. Black historian rightly question the brutal European slavery business, but conveniently forget their own peoples savagary of selling their own En-mass across the Sudan trails over the past 1000+yrs and still do. They forget to mention in their arguments that european whites in Europe from businessmen n governments, were also traded. Also that white locals in london n liverpool often hid escaped slaves. Nobles, kings, Governments mistreated their own low classes, just has much as foreigners. Just like white education conveniently forget the great black pharohs and kings. Brilliant Persian empires and fair societies.Black African civilised societies. That unlike hollywoods madis and Saracens, Sultans of evil fighting the Brit empire, There happened to be great Mirs, Sultans, princes, who gave us superior map reading star, galaxy mapping. Tribal racism is an ancient tradition, black, coloured, white, oriential racism is only a modern-world virus. All this leads to the fears of migration, that a so called modern civilised people cant handle due to the same fears that their own melting-pot of mixed culture and family roots in which they evolved is so contradictory, and self effacing. Recognising and being recognised and accepted, we all fight for, but to give it, is so complicated, we cant be bothered, so we blame....
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 India???? Well, when did India, or the land become India a country, there is the modern version, then the historical human scaping of this great republic. ALL over the land, people have migrated to and from,including tibetten, middle oriental migrants, arabian persian, migrants.Kashmir to the indira point is a beautifull kaleidescope and melting pot of proven migration, that proves though it can become occassionally riotious , peoples can live in harmony. This is a personal thought, but religous and mixed culture acceptance, can be a tinder box, but on the whole on the everyday working of life, it works in most areas. Perfection no, non-corrupt no, but hey hey...
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Well, when did India, or the land become India a country, there is the modern version, then the historical human scaping of this great republic. ALL over the land, people have migrated to and from,including tibetten, middle oriental migrants, arabian persian, migrants.Kashmir to the indira point is a beautifull kaleidescope and melting pot of proven migration, that proves though it can become occassionally riotious , peoples can live in harmony. This is a personal thought, but religous and mixed culture acceptance, can be a tinder box, but on the whole on the everyday working of life, it works in most areas. Perfection no, non-corrupt no, but hey hey... I agree, but over the last 300 years there really hasn't been any immigration in the modern sense, waves of invaders or economic migrants have not swan over to the continent that is india!!
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 I agree, but over the last 300 years there really hasn't been any immigration in the modern sense, waves of invaders or economic migrants have not swan over to the continent that is india!! Look at your northern borders afgahistans over pakistan, Bhutan , Nepal, Sikkim (though in Indian hands) , Tibet, some arab/persian exchanges, and yes Bangladesh.....waves no, but a few interesting refersals. Just an an anecdote, interesting story, no opinion making... A few years ago, I met a bhutanese, who had married an Indian, who opened a new style mixed restaurant come cafe, in the Jabalpur district, his sister, trying her hand doing the same in Mombai.Nothing fancy, but having a Small project, to try and mix the idea of Indian thalis, with oriental plates. Now here this, their 2 cousins,had just expanded from 2 street food stalls, to a very small restaurant, serving lorry and city pendler guests, also for takeaways.No not middle class, just bloody hard working decent lifes. He told me saying its a small world now, I from humble grounds meet same type wife, where families are split buddhist and Hindu. Happily serving our own, and muslims, and laughing... then barbarians like you..
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Look at your northern borders afgahistans over pakistan, Bhutan , Nepal, Sikkim (though in Indian hands) , Tibet, some arab/persian exchanges, and yes Bangladesh.....waves no, but a few interesting refersals. Just an an anecdote, interesting story, no opinion making... A few years ago, I met a bhutanese, who had married an Indian, who opened a new style mixed restaurant come cafe, in the Jabalpur district, his sister, trying her hand doing the same in Mombai.Nothing fancy, but having a Small project, to try and mix the idea of Indian thalis, with oriental plates. Now here this, their 2 cousins,had just expanded from 2 street food stalls, to a very small restaurant, serving lorry and city pendler guests, also for takeaways.No not middle class, just bloody hard working decent lifes. He told me saying its a small world now, I from humble grounds meet same type wife, where families are split buddhist and Hindu. Happily serving our own, and muslims, and laughing... then barbarians like you.. In India, there is inter country migration eg biharis comming to Punjab. Considering, Tibet was annexed, Bhutan has had civil strife, and many neighbouring countries have had strife for centuries, there has never been a level of migration, say to Europe or UK. Punjab borders Afghan, Kashmir(both Pakistani and Chinese), it is the second richest state, yet there aren't ghettos of Kashmiri's, Afghanis etc etc.I've lived in India, spent alot of time all over, my father runs 3 business, and travels all over, and the state of India is a mess, its due a revolution, the amount of human rights abuses, rape and persecution that happens is immense. You speak to people who lived under British rule and hindutva rule, would prefer to be ruled by the Brits. There are more poor people now, living standards are lower, then under British rule.
Guest MattP Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 In India, there is inter country migration eg biharis comming to Punjab. Considering, Tibet was annexed, Bhutan has had civil strife, and many neighbouring countries have had strife for centuries, there has never been a level of migration, say to Europe or UK. Punjab borders Afghan, Kashmir(both Pakistani and Chinese), it is the second richest state, yet there aren't ghettos of Kashmiri's, Afghanis etc etc. I've lived in India, spent alot of time all over, my father runs 3 business, and travels all over, and the state of India is a mess, its due a revolution, the amount of human rights abuses, rape and persecution that happens is immense. You speak to people who lived under British rule and hindutva rule, would prefer to be ruled by the Brits. There are more poor people now, living standards are lower, then under British rule. My old supervisor was Indian and he used to say the same thing, said the would take British rule again like a shot, I found it weird but I can see his point with the way India is going now.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 My old supervisor was Indian and he used to say the same thing, said the would take British rule again like a shot, I found it weird but I can see his point with the way India is going now. it shit over there! I'm open for you to buy me Xmas dinner, and I will show you where tramps can get a free home cooked Punjabi meal for the rest of there lives
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 In India, there is inter country migration eg biharis comming to Punjab. Considering, Tibet was annexed, Bhutan has had civil strife, and many neighbouring countries have had strife for centuries, there has never been a level of migration, say to Europe or UK. Punjab borders Afghan, Kashmir(both Pakistani and Chinese), it is the second richest state, yet there aren't ghettos of Kashmiri's, Afghanis etc etc. I've lived in India, spent alot of time all over, my father runs 3 business, and travels all over, and the state of India is a mess, its due a revolution, the amount of human rights abuses, rape and persecution that happens is immense. You speak to people who lived under British rule and hindutva rule, would prefer to be ruled by the Brits. There are more poor people now, living standards are lower, then under British rule. Just a question, I have no idea... but your last sentence is that calculable. Poor in the india sense is poor, could the poverty get worse.??I lived and travelled through the whole of the indian continent. I met many, especially older men , who told their stories , in chai shops, over camp fires at lorrystops, and in the fields or mountains, where some suprised me and told, that they and their families gone by for centuries, fought against the British, but since the independence, corruption was always there, but even for us, its turned evil, Organisation in peoples life was forseeable, we still use the British admin, it works.Long ago people had or could find some work. Peoples daily problems were handled, not ignored, yes the British ruled us, but they didnt tread over us, like our own. I met on both sides of the border, Pakistan and Indian fighter pilots and soldiers, it was like listening to British film military personelle from the 40s. Exchanged info and help with the road sappers and pioneers. Not one bad experience, no racial slur, though I did see riots,and mobs but locals did look out for us and seen, we were not involved. NO political thought, just an open ear and observation and conversations with people Who became 1-30 day friends. Marvellous continent...
Dr The Singh Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Just a question, I have no idea... but your last sentence is that calculable. Poor in the india sense is poor, could the poverty get worse.?? I lived and travelled through the whole of the indian continent. I met many, especially older men , who told their stories , in chai shops, over camp fires at lorrystops, and in the fields or mountains, where some suprised me and told, that they and their families gone by for centuries, fought against the British, but since the independence, corruption was always there, but even for us, its turned evil, Organisation in peoples life was forseeable, we still use the British admin, it works.Long ago people had or could find some work. Peoples daily problems were handled, not ignored, yes the British ruled us, but they didnt tread over us, like our own. I met on both sides of the border, Pakistan and Indian fighter pilots and soldiers, it was like listening to British film military personelle from the 40s. Exchanged info and help with the road sappers and pioneers. Not one bad experience, no racial slur, though I did see riots,and mobs but locals did look out for us and seen, we were not involved. NO political thought, just an open ear and observation and conversations with people Who became 1-30 day friends. Marvellous continent... Quick answer, yes. Just as an example, Mumbai has over a million child prostitutes. Far higher and ever growing then say hundred years ago. The driving factor is poverty and exploitation, young girls are sold out of neccesity, or gang masters kidnap the girls. However there is no government support or police support as no one gives a fook about the 1 billion poor versus the 250 million rich. Law and order was under a British concept, now unless your criminal or gang lord your not capable of being a politician.My opinion the place needs a revolution. No disrespect, I get alot of tourist of Indian origin and go there and the people there won't give the whole truth. Live there and believe me, people are sick and tired
MooseBreath Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 How can Mumbai, a city of 11m, have over 1m child prostitutes? That must be almost every child in the city.
fuchsntf Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 How can Mumbai, a city of 11m, have over 1m child prostitutes? That must be almost every child in the city. Official...now add 2-3 mill at poverty street level, then 1mill is easy to understand.
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