Merging Cultures Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Some strong feelings in the Netherlands Migrant crisis: Dutch town riots over asylum centre plan http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35118496
bovril Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Makes me laugh when people claim the UK is racist or xenophobic. We're massively more welcoming to outsiders than any other country in Europe.
Dr The Singh Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 How can Mumbai, a city of 11m, have over 1m child prostitutes? That must be almost every child in the city. Mumbai is a district, the city holds 11m, the district is probably double!! Mumbai emptied majority of the city of vagrants and shipped them 20 miles outside of the city. To be fair, how do you calc number of poor, there's no census etc etc, so that 11m is probably close to 20m
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Makes me laugh when people claim the UK is racist or xenophobic. We're massively more welcoming to outsiders than any other country in Europe. In my experience, definitely not worse, but all over western europe there are people who just spit it out. Radical groups are everywhere, then there are the individuals who lurk in so called respected jobs. Its definitely not a sink/working class estate only issue. Right up the social ladder there are racists and xenophobia groups and individuals. It of course is compounded by the fact , that among migrants and refugees, it is also an issue. Its not a general education problem. Politicians havent taken it serious enough, but we cant blame them.Intigration acceptance understanding as changed for the better.Media reports and various slant on the the reporting, hasnt helped, but again imo cant be blamed. Its up the people on the street, no matter where that street maybe, to realise that no matter what culture we live in, no matter what religion we take on or dont follow.We accept first we are nobodies and just humans trying to get on with our chosen lives.The problem is there people who love nothing but to blame others for their own woes. Politicians are now in the situation, that more than ever, that the societies they rule in need to be more balanced, not just the richest or powerfull > at all levels < should forge our lives.That finances for basic infrastructure developement improvement investment must take higher priority. Policing, Education, Employment, available public transport, Health homes, homes, then housing, the homes again. Brownsites not being allowed to stay derilict, or unusable. I have no answer, but we really need to attack unemployment, and in employment give a decent balanced wage.Controlled Govt support, for small businesses. Oh!!! no so called developed (1st world. G8) country to sell weapons, except to each other, and further so down the ladder. Naive, dream world....Yup sure is. What isnt impossible, is to create catchment countries in various parts of the World, where infastructure is developed.For Refugees, using their own for work and building and working of the land.With the outlook that repatriation to homeland, is a viable target. POLICED BY INT. PEACE CORP. Governed, either by peoples within. Or organising something like the EU, from lands involved. Or a cross sextion, with developed countries political support. Either has one, or group of countries serving 4 yrs. Ie. One 4 yr period ..Russia, Uk, Canada, Japan. and so on.... Financed, by all nations pulling 70% of its foreign aid.
Rincewind Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Saw a quote from Tony Benn which goes something like 'The way a government treats refuggees is instructive as it shows how its people could be treated if allowed to.' Not an exact quote but the gist of it is there. I will have a search for the exact one. "The way a government treats refugees is very instructive..." -
Guest MattP Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Tony Benn really did talk some bollocks, it's a good job he never had any real power.
leicsmac Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Tony Benn really did talk some bollocks, it's a good job he never had any real power. It's possible he didn't want any real power, considering that he probably knew what it does to people. In any case, you can get a pretty good idea of the measure of people by the way they treat people they don't have to treat well.
MooseBreath Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 We treat refugees amazingly well once they're in the country. I saw a story online yesterday of some Syrians complaining that they don't like Scotland. The house they've been given for free is bigger than mine and they're given free spending money and all the time in the world to laze around. How much more did they expect when they left Syria?
Darkon84 Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 In my experience, .... What isnt impossible, is to create catchment countries in various parts of the World, where infastructure is developed.For Refugees, using their own for work and building and working of the land.With the outlook that repatriation to homeland, is a viable target. POLICED BY INT. PEACE CORP. Governed, either by peoples within. Or organising something like the EU, from lands involved. Or a cross sextion, with developed countries political support. Either has one, or group of countries serving 4 yrs. Ie. One 4 yr period ..Russia, Uk, Canada, Japan. and so on.... Financed, by all nations pulling 70% of its foreign aid. Drawing up new lines and countries worked amazingly in Israel and the MIddle East. It's a nice idealistic thought, but things aren't that easy. What you've suggested is probably the MOST difficult thing to do.
Rincewind Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 We treat refugees amazingly well once they're in the country. I saw a story online yesterday of some Syrians complaining that they don't like Scotland. The house they've been given for free is bigger than mine and they're given free spending money and all the time in the world to laze around. How much more did they expect when they left Syria? I saw a story online that Martians had landed on Victoria Park and were threatening to take over the world.
AyewJoking Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 I saw a story online that Martians had landed on Victoria Park and were threatening to take over the world. i fúcking hate gypsies
MooseBreath Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 I saw a story online that Martians had landed on Victoria Park and were threatening to take over the world. You think Syrians not liking Scotland is roughly as believable as a killer-alien invasion? Says it all.
Guest MattP Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Ken making up a ridiculous exaggeration instead of actually arguing the point? Never.
Thracian Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Migrants -what's the answer? The answer is straightforward. The problem is not finding the answer but making sure the answer is acted upon.
MPH Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Galvanizing support and a willingness to help out from other Middle eastern nations would be a good start....... It's not that we shouldn't help, we ( europe) just shouldn't be the only ones...
Stadt Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Galvanizing support and a willingness to help out from other Middle eastern nations would be a good start....... It's not that we shouldn't help, we ( europe) just shouldn't be the only ones... Hasn't it been announced that the Saudis are leading a new Arab coalition?
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Drawing up new lines and countries worked amazingly in Israel and the MIddle East. It's a nice idealistic thought, but things aren't that easy. What you've suggested is probably the MOST difficult thing to do. Tongue in cheek...but ffs Somebody got us Leicester city to the top of the league... We elect politicians who can organise the the daily routines Nationally, but we expect more, when there are international cricesses, they seem only able just to organise aggression and wars, but they do love the rhetoric of peace and shaking hands, now its time this human race grew up and s tood together to do the difficult things, ..........like.......Organising the peace. And the human catastrophy ...Refugees. We did it in the middle east, for money and oil, now lets do it for our fellow man, and our own societies.
Webbo Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 Tongue in cheek...but ffs Somebody got us Leicester city to the top of the league... We elect politicians who can organise the the daily routines Nationally, but we expect more, when there are international cricesses, they seem only able just to organise aggression and wars, but they do love the rhetoric of peace and shaking hands, now its time this human race grew up and s tood together to do the difficult things, ..........like.......Organising the peace. And the human catastrophy ...Refugees. We did it in the middle east, for money and oil, now lets do it for our fellow man, and our own societies. So what's your plan? You think we can just ask Isis to stop and out of feeling for their fellow man they will? The only thing that will stop this is a bullet through their brains to the fascist death cult that's causing this. All this lets stand together, war's not the answer bollox is just inane platitudes that sound nice but won't change anything.
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2015 Posted 17 December 2015 So what's your plan? You think we can just ask Isis to stop and out of feeling for their fellow man they will? The only thing that will stop this is a bullet through their brains to the fascist death cult that's causing this. All this lets stand together, war's not the answer bollox is just inane platitudes that sound nice but won't change anything. The platitudes are to get people to listen...Money, earnings, hope, readjustment, New begnnings, getting sorted, Move the problem, give it a face of assuming organisation, are the carrots.Simple change, with slow progress, is the only target, there is no magic wand, for any success, humans are slow on the uptake..!!! ISIS, will be a problem, but you cant bag all the crap into one single box, giving you a single solution. There is a political alternative...Sit in,..do nothing..and have not demos on the streets, but racist riots to a measure that this world has ever seen.
Nick Posted 18 December 2015 Posted 18 December 2015 Migrants -what's the answer? The answer is straightforward. The problem is not finding the answer but making sure the answer is acted upon. Thrac, it's not even four o clock and your three sheets to the wind!
MooseBreath Posted 18 December 2015 Posted 18 December 2015 The platitudes are to get people to listen...Money, earnings, hope, readjustment, New begnnings, getting sorted, Move the problem, give it a face of assuming organisation, are the carrots.Simple change, with slow progress, is the only target, there is no magic wand, for any success, humans are slow on the uptake..!!! ISIS, will be a problem, but you cant bag all the crap into one single box, giving you a single solution. There is a political alternative...Sit in,..do nothing..and have not demos on the streets, but racist riots to a measure that this world has ever seen. Can someone translate this?
Dr The Singh Posted 18 December 2015 Posted 18 December 2015 Is Mahrez a migrant?WTF does that mean, my dads a migrant. You live in coockooo land
bovril Posted 18 December 2015 Posted 18 December 2015 Is Mahrez a migrant? No. He's a 'footballer'. You, Baltimore Blue and the two middle-aged British blokes who sit all day in Murphy's in downtown Sofia are 'ex-pats'. Everybody else is a fvcking immo.
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