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USA 2016 Presidential Election Thread

By RedSoxUK, in General Chat

POTUS  

152 members have voted

  1. 1. Who do you want as POTUS?

    • Donald Trump
      43
    • Ben Carson
      3
    • Hilary Clinton
      37
    • Bernie Sanders
      57
    • Marco Rubio
      0
    • Jeb Bush
      7
    • Ted Cruz
      2
    • Carly Fiorina
      0
    • Rand Paul
      2
    • Martin O'Malley
      1
    • Jim Webb
      0

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Can I mention once again how scary it is that someone with views like Trump (and, by extension, those around him) actually has a chance, however small, of actually running the show come November January?

If he becomes president, I plan to get the fuch out of the country as soon as possible.

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If he becomes president, I plan to get the fuch out of the country as soon as possible.

 

It's funny. I'm hoping to be resident in the US later this year. If he does win, I wonder what Trump and his ilk would make of me?

 

Foreign, but white. Immigrant and reasonably liberal, but British. Which way would the needle fall, I wonder?

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It's funny. I'm hoping to be resident in the US later this year. If he does win, I wonder what Trump and his ilk would make of me?

Foreign, but white. Immigrant and reasonably liberal, but British. Which way would the needle fall, I wonder?

Depends on if you plan on coming through legal channels or scaling Trump's giant wall that Mexico is going to pay us to build lol.

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Depends on if you plan on coming through legal channels or scaling Trump's giant wall that Mexico is going to pay us to build lol.

Dig a tunnel, works every time.

Wouldnt surprise me if trump built a wall to stop us canadians from legally crossing the border eh.

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I Dont have a problem with ANY nation securing their border... And i dont have a problem with any nation deporting ILLEGAL immigrants. But i do have a problem with the concept of deporting some people to a country they have never been to ( those born here and also those who came here as really small kids will have no concept of any other nation being their home),, with no home to go to , no family to visit and some will have no language skills for that country too.  Some of the children who came over didnt have a choice about coming here so you can hardly say they are illegal really? 

 

Probably not trumps interpretation of the word illegal but hey ho...

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I Dont have a problem with ANY nation securing their border... And i dont have a problem with any nation deporting ILLEGAL immigrants. But i do have a problem with the concept of deporting some people to a country they have never been to ( those born here and also those who came here as really small kids will have no concept of any other nation being their home),, with no home to go to , no family to visit and some will have no language skills for that country too.  Some of the children who came over didnt have a choice about coming here so you can hardly say they are illegal really? 

 

Probably not trumps interpretation of the word illegal but hey ho...

 

 

I sympathize with the people who come over here illegally for better opportunities to make an honest living. If the US closed it's borders a hundred or more years ago, many of our own ancestors would have been kept out. So it makes no sense from an ideological point of view to paint these people as criminals and rapists like Trump does. That being says it resounds with a certain blue collar population of America that sees these people as competition. It was not long ago that my own Irish ancestors were discriminated against when they came over looking for jobs because other "born and bred" Americans feared their competition in the marketplace. It wasn't uncommon to see signs saying "No Irish need apply."

 

There's a large Mexican population in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them are not legal residents or citizens.  It's hard to think that getting rid of these people will suddenly rid our city of its problems, nor will it open up opportunities for unemployed people in Detroit to get jobs. The jobs illegal immigrants do, are not ones people on government programs want, working manual labor jobs for minimum wage at best. All it will do for us locally is to increase racism and hate.

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How difficult is it to condemn the KKK?

 

 

Nice to see this from Paul Ryan, The Republican house speaker:

 

Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan says he is trying to stay out of the "day-to-day ups and downs of the primary" but said any Republican presidential nominee must reject any racist group or individual. 

"When I see something that runs counter to who we are as a party and a country I will speak up," he said.

"So today I want to be very clear about something: if a person wants to be the nominee of the Republican Party, there can be no evasion and no games. They must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry,'' he said.

 

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Clinton appears to have put Sanders away.

Trump strong in early polls with Rubio and Cruz fighting for 2nd, kettle on, food ready for a long night....

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Only early but Clinton running at 70% in Georgia.

Why has Sanders only got ageing hippies and young white liberals behind him? What's the reason for him not being able to gain any significant ethnic vote despite him begging for it?

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Ignore my question, watching his speech I can see it.

It's like watching Billy Braggs Dad with a tinfoil hat on. No wonder he wants the young involved, no one with an ounce of common sense would vote for this nutjob.

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Only early but Clinton running at 70% in Georgia.

Why has Sanders only got ageing hippies and young white liberals behind him? What's the reason for him not being able to gain any significant ethnic vote despite him begging for it?

 

See my point regarding lack of intersectionality above.

 

Ignore my question, watching his speech I can see it.

It's like watching Billy Braggs Dad with a tinfoil hat on. No wonder he wants the young involved, no one with an ounce of common sense would vote for this nutjob.

 

And people voting for Trump are paragons of common sense? Though I know that's not what you said.

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Not at all Mac. Not claiming they are.

Why can't Sanders garner any support though outside his own group? It is weird.

Trump is about to win Massachusetts and Alabama, you couldn't name two polar opposite states.

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Cruz has far too big an ego to drop out I think, although even if he did I think a lot would back Trump over Rubio.

The southern states are showing religion isn't THAT important; certainly not as much as we like to think it is.

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Trump is clearly picking up significant ethnic vote as well with these numbers in the South.

Make no mistake about it, he can win. I still don't think he will, but he certainly can.

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Not at all Mac. Not claiming they are.

Why can't Sanders garner any support though outside his own group? It is weird.

Trump is about to win Massachusetts and Alabama, you couldn't name two polar opposite states.

 

As much as his supporters have the idealism, the US is just too conservative across the board for someone like him to have wide appeal. A reasonably centrist Washington insider like Hillary? Fair enough. But 'socialist' is still a dirty word to most and he doesn't strike a chord with enough different demographics.

 

But if his campaign gives Hillary some pause and makes her adjust her platform a little to pick up his supporters when she wins the nomination (as I think she will now), then it will have been worth it.

 

On a similar note, I'm struggling to understand Trump's broad appeal. Is plain speaking and demagoguery really this effective?

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Cruz has far too big an ego to drop out I think, although even if he did I think a lot would back Trump over Rubio.

The southern states are showing religion isn't THAT important; certainly not as much as we like to think it is.

 

I think that him only flirting with religion himself isn't that important...his message resonates pretty strongly with the fundies as it taps into their own idea of exceptionalism and fearing the 'other'.

 

Trump is clearly picking up significant ethnic vote as well with these numbers in the South.

Make no mistake about it, he can win. I still don't think he will, but he certainly can.

 

Wouldn't be so sure, bear in mind only registered Republicans are allowed to vote in the primary anyway and how many of those are going to be from ethnic minorities?

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It's anti establishment, my US friend is voting Trump and he'd be a Corbynista here, anti bankers and he believes Donald can't be bought as he has enough himself, America is different isn't it? As you say unlike here socialism is a dirty word but on the other side wealth isn't seen as disgraceful in the US either, a billionaire wouldn't get elected in the UK.

Sanders still hasn't ruled out running as an independent; imagine that. Trump handed the keys to the Whitehouse.

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Sorry I'm not on PC so can't quote so bear with me. :)

Republicans have far more minorities than people think in the South, I read Bama it's 30% and in Louisana close to half.

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It's anti establishment, my US friend is voting Trump and he'd be a Corbynista here, anti bankers and he believes Donald can't be bought as he has enough himself, America is different isn't it? As you say unlike here socialism is a dirty word but on the other side wealth isn't seen as disgraceful in the US either, a billionaire wouldn't get elected in the UK.

Sanders still hasn't ruled out running as an independent; imagine that. Trump handed the keys to the Whitehouse.

 

Yeah, (justified) disillusion with the Washington Machine plays a large part of it, no doubt.

 

I remember someone saying that poor Americans don't think of themselves as a manipulated underclass but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. The pursuit of the material does mean so much more over there.

 

I just don't get how - even though he's outside the system - people hear some of what Trump says regarding demographics, foreign policy etc and still want to vote for him, unless they agree with it themselves. Which is scary.

 

Sorry I'm not on PC so can't quote so bear with me. :)

Republicans have far more minorities than people think in the South, I read Bama it's 30% and in Louisana close to half.

 

No worries. :thumbup:

 

Any ethnic minority that isn't white or rich Hispanic who votes for a Republican is like a turkey voting for Christmas. Can't say they're exactly too friendly to women either, given their ideas regarding 'stable families'.

 

Don't get it. But that's my two pennyworth. Suppose you could say if you just looked at my own demographic I'd fit the Republican bill nicely, apart from being reasonably young.

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I think lot of them do agree with Trump, add in the appalling selection of candidates and he has a chance.

Not sure I always agree with the turkey/Christmas thing, I've only spent a few months in the South but most people I spoke to seemed to think anyone in Washington was out to get them, Trump makes money and that might give them belief they can.

I'd love to see you at the young republicans ball :-D

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I think lot of them do agree with Trump, add in the appalling selection of candidates and he has a chance.

Not sure I always agree with the turkey/Christmas thing, I've only spent a few months in the South but most people I spoke to seemed to think anyone in Washington was out to get them, Trump makes money and that might give them belief they can.

I'd love to see you at the young republicans ball :-D

 

Yeah, mistrust of Government runs deep with Americans (especially in the South). But I reckon Trump is an authoritarian; just a different type of authoritarian. I just don't get the fear. It seems to be pervasive these days, and Trump is using that fear to divide and conquer.

 

Ballroom stacked to the rafters with leggy blondes in pimped out dresses who like smooth talkers? I think I'd suffer through it. :ph34r:

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You'd love it mate lol

Listening to Hilary and I'm not sure what to make of her still, she's so establishment, at least you know with Trump and Bernie they mean what they say.

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