Footballwipe Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 But the revenue from ticket sales is peanuts. Exactly. If we do break through the £100m turnover barrier next season it's highly likely that only 10% of that will come through ticket revenues. I'm not saying let everyone in for free but as important as attending fans are, they just don't generate the figures that commercial income and television revenues do. And on your point about the crowd getting behind the team, at what point do we get to where prices are pushed up and up and up to the point where we end up like Emirates, Old Trafford or Anfield; morgue-like grounds where only those who can afford to go do. Clappers can only generate so much atmosphere. Ginnetta is a relic, charing a relic organisation that thinks it's still relevant, and the only reason he's still used with the LM is because he's in their black book of contacts and probably picks the phone up quickly.
davieG Posted 29 January 2016 Author Posted 29 January 2016 You could say that about everything. Maybe decrease the cost of food, merchandise in the shop etc etc? It's not living in the real world if you think that should happen. Except they don't make extra money from the sales of the food that's contracted out. I'm not saying they will decrease or even stick with them I'm just saying there are plenty of reasons to not increase and only one to increase in our situation and that is to exploit the fans loyalty there isn't a desperate financial need for them to increase them. I'm not expecting anything other than a tweet of prices and some increases.
Aeropars Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 I would highly doubt that, even though the catering is contracted out, the owners do not make any money from it. Normally the catering would be contracted out and the winning contractor would be charged a ground rental fee. Much like the burger wagons parked up on the stadium ground. I would not expect it to be an insignificant amount either.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Except they don't make extra money from the sales of the food that's contracted out. I'm not saying they will decrease or even stick with them I'm just saying there are plenty of reasons to not increase and only one to increase in our situation and that is to exploit the fans loyalty there isn't a desperate financial need for them to increase them. I'm not expecting anything other than a tweet of prices and some increases. Paying a little bit extra for a higher quality of football is not exploiting fans in my opinion.
Voll Blau Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Paying a little bit extra for a higher quality of football is not exploiting fans in my opinion. A higher quality of football is never a guarantee. That's the nature of sport.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 A higher quality of football is never a guarantee. That's the nature of sport. It's not, but you can only go on current performance. It is a guarantee that on paper we will have a better quality of players than last season.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 They do the same for England away packages. Or is that Thompson? Rip off either way
davieG Posted 29 January 2016 Author Posted 29 January 2016 I would highly doubt that, even though the catering is contracted out, the owners do not make any money from it. Normally the catering would be contracted out and the winning contractor would be charged a ground rental fee. Much like the burger wagons parked up on the stadium ground. I would not expect it to be an insignificant amount either. I meant extra money beyond the contracted amount from extra salles or price increases
C-man Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 It's not, but you can only go on current performance. It is a guarantee that on paper we will have a better quality of players than last season. Of a stadium holding 32,000 with only around 6,000 matchday tickets available to non-corporates you are deluding yourself if you think upping the price will result in a significantly better quality of squad. Besides, we have the 17th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Having additional money guarantees you nothing. We're living proof of that. I would be very disappointed if there was a price hike next year.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Of a stadium holding 32,000 with only around 6,000 matchday tickets available to non-corporates you are deluding yourself if you think upping the price will result in a significantly better quality of squad. Besides, we have the 17th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Having additional money guarantees you nothing. We're living proof of that. I would be very disappointed if there was a price hike next year. Get you head out of the clouds. The squad is already significantly better than two years ago. Even without new any new additions, the value of our squad has more than trebled probably and with that comes increased wages unless you want to sell everyone. Get into the real world. Prices don't stay the same in any business for ever.
C-man Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Get you head out of the clouds. The squad is already significantly better than two years ago. Even without new any new additions, the value of our squad has more than trebled probably and with that comes increased wages unless you want to sell everyone. Get into the real world. Prices don't stay the same in any business for ever. Erm, the squad is significantly better than two years ago when season tickets were pretty much if not the same price as they are now for a large percentage of fans? As people have explained, gate receipts contribute little towards increased wages/transfer fees. That's totally down to broadcasting revenue which is increasing massively again next year. That's why most logical people cannot understand any argument for a price rise. You seem like the sort that would pay for speedy boarding. Happy and proud to pay more, thinks they're getting more but actually comes away with the exact same product.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Erm, the squad is significantly better than two years ago when season tickets were pretty much if not the same price as they are now for a large percentage of fans? As people have explained, gate receipts contribute little towards increased wages/transfer fees. That's totally down to broadcasting revenue which is increasing massively again next year. That's why most logical people cannot understand any argument for a price rise. You seem like the sort that would pay for speedy boarding. Happy and proud to pay more, thinks they're getting more but actually comes away with the exact same product. Yes I certainly feel I'm getting a better product than I have been for many years. I happen to enjoy the football I'm seeing now a lot more than when we was terrible in the Championship for many years. If that means a small increase each year then yes I'm more than happy to pay for it. I assume you'd prefer to save your £30 a year to get extra value and more home league matches each season in the Championship? Well good for you.
Voll Blau Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 We're top of the fvcking pile in England and folks are scaremongering about dropping down a division if we don't fork out more for tickets next year. They've got you lot haven't they, my days.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 We're top of the fvcking pile in England and folks are scaremongering about dropping down a division if we don't fork out more for tickets next year. They've got you lot haven't they, my days. You're a bit simple aren't you?
Voll Blau Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 You're a bit simple aren't you? Intelligent enough to realise how little effect an increase in gate money might have on the club's overall finances, compared to the effect it would have on the finances of loyal supporters who've followed the club through thick and thin.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Intelligent enough to realise how little effect an increase in gate money might have on the club's overall finances, compared to the effect it would have on the finances of loyal supporters who've followed the club through thick and thin. And all of those loyal supporters would pay an extra £30 or so to watch a club in the Champions League. Intelligent enough to realise how little effect an increase in gate money might have on the club's overall finances, compared to the effect it would have on the finances of loyal supporters who've followed the club through thick and thin. How long do you suggest we keep the same prices?
Voll Blau Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 And all of those loyal supporters would pay an extra £30 or so to watch a club in the Champions League. How long do you suggest we keep the same prices? As long as it's sustainable to do so. Ideally, I'd like to see prices drop to come more into line with other top flight football in Europe.
GaelicFox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 You know someone's a bit of a psychopath when they blindly worship at the shrine of supply and demand. Tree hugging soap dodger ! Get with the reality Honestly I really wonder what they think the premier league circus is all about ? Cash cash cash Supply and demand !
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 You seem like the sort that would pay for speedy boarding. Happy and proud to pay more, thinks they're getting more but actually comes away with the exact same product. I'm happy to pay an extra £3 to get through security more quickly so I can relax more quickly and enjoy a pre-flight pint or two and happy to pay a few quid extra for speedy boarding to avoid the longer queues. It doesn't come close to breaking the bank. I hear what you're saying but it's not quite the exact same product.
GaelicFox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Except they don't make extra money from the sales of the food that's contracted out. I'm not saying they will decrease or even stick with them I'm just saying there are plenty of reasons to not increase and only one to increase in our situation and that is to exploit the fans loyalty there isn't a desperate financial need for them to increase them. I'm not expecting anything other than a tweet of prices and some increases. Of course they make money the lease fee's ! And they can hike those of the lease holder is making more money ! Supply and demand (again!)
GaelicFox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 I genuinely don't see any massive increases , hospitality might ! But not the rest of us The ticket money is so so small it really isn't a massive important part of the financial plan An extra million a year and potentially upset us all isn't going to be these owners thinking We need to develop the east stand ! That's going to happen, I can see the road going under a super new structure like at old Trafford ! More boxes and more hospitality the way to go !
davieG Posted 29 January 2016 Author Posted 29 January 2016 Of course they make money the lease fee's ! And they can hike those of the lease holder is making more money ! Supply and demand (again!) As I followed up with in another post they don't make money from extra food sales or increase in food prices. The caterers in the stadium have a long term agreed contract so I doubt we could just bump the fees up. If you're talking about the vendors outside the ground yes they could increase their fees but you really are talking petty cash sums there.
Viva Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 As long as it's sustainable to do so. Ideally, I'd like to see prices drop to come more into line with other top flight football in Europe. I'd like to see my mortgage payments drop, but that's not going to happen either.
davieG Posted 29 January 2016 Author Posted 29 January 2016 I'd like to see my mortgage payments drop, but that's not going to happen either. They've dropped considerably over a period of time and can hardly get much .lower with current interest rates, not really comparable in any way but then nothing much is when it comes to football.
lifted*fox Posted 29 January 2016 Posted 29 January 2016 Who is this Ginetta tw@t and why the **** is he chairman of the supporters club? Everything this guy comes out with is total bullshit. Can't we get a petition going to get someone else in charge?
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