DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 Created this thread ahead of a bit of swingometter action later this evening, ready for comments. Who will come out on top between Citizen Khan and Straight up Zac in London? How will Labour fair and how will the result reflect on Corbyn? Will the SNP obtain total domination in Scotland? Who will lead the Welsh Assembly? Does the UKIP bandwagon roll on? Does anyone value electing a Police and Crime Commissioner? Will anyone be bothered to vote - and is a lack off turnout possibly the most damning verdict of the whole political situation at present? Your thoughts on any of these topics or any related items I've not mentioned are welcome!
Strokes Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 Created this thread ahead of a bit of swingometter action later this evening, ready for comments. Who will come out on top between Citizen Khan and Straight up Zac in London? How will Labour fair and how will the result reflect on Corbyn? Will the SNP obtain total domination in Scotland? Who will lead the Welsh Assembly? Does the UKIP bandwagon roll on? Does anyone value electing a Police and Crime Commissioner? Will anyone be bothered to vote - and is a lack off turnout possibly the most damning verdict of the whole political situation at present? Your thoughts on any of these topics or any related items I've not mentioned are welcome! I've always voted but I couldn't be arsed today, I just can't get anything to motivate me this time. Politically it's all about the referendum, anything else is just a distraction.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 May 2016 Author Posted 5 May 2016 I didn't vote either (only a PCC in my area), but it doesn't stop me enjoying several hours of inane chatter on something of very little consequence this evening. Andrew Neil dyed his hair especially for this too (saw it on Daily Politics earlier)
john doe Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 went to vote then told i am a postal voter? no vote hows that work
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 May 2016 Author Posted 5 May 2016 went to vote then told i am a postal voter? no vote hows that work Not a clue - not based in Barnet are you?
Guest MattP Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 Predictions.. Labour to lose around 50 odd and overall control in Wales. SNP to go close to sweeping the boards in Scotland. UKIP and Plaid to do well in Wales. Khan to win London mayoral race on a low turnout.
DB11 Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 This thread already makes me want news & current affairs back
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 May 2016 Author Posted 5 May 2016 This thread already makes me want news & current affairs back Is that to get it out of your sight line!
Guest MattP Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 Worth remembering only in 82' and 85' have an opposition party lost council seats.
Thracian Posted 5 May 2016 Posted 5 May 2016 I'm underwhelmed. Some party leaflet dropped through the door in my locality to say their preferred Police Commissioner choice would be expected to take a stand on supposedly irresponsible parking. Truth is the roads can't cope with the overload developments that councils have sanctioned but the call just shows where some local politicians think police priorities lie - presumably the ones who've never been affected by real crime. The UK seems awash with killers, gangsters, child abusers, drug lords, burglars, terrorists, con artists etc. yet some politicians want to target parking problems. You couldn't make it up. But, once some people get a bee in their bonnet there's no holding them and right now it seems like the motorist is earmarked as principle victim of political predjudice - or stealth tax opportunism - particularly through meandering into the bus lanes which are now used to ensure that road travel is considerably more hazardous and congested. Yet, these motorists are the kind of people who actually earn the money to pay for all the benefits people are flocking to this country to enjoy. Meanwhile councillors continue doing all they can to make parking and car access to our towns and cities harder. Blink and there'll be yet more disruption of access to Leicester Market Place with road closures and the now familiar disruption to trading on the whims of Labour politicians who clearly don't give a toss who suffers while they attend to spending their budgets. It all starts again this month and will likely last til summer. If the law, or the council, reflected anything to do with fairness, all affected traders would or ought to be automatically compensated when I actually believe a good few are struggling to pay their staff or even their rents and likely couldn't afford the costs of making their case. Some journo at the Mercury should ask how much is actually owed in market rents and why? I'm not sure they'd get a straight answer but I do know that disruption these last few years has been all but constant and not always for the better.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 The Tories are going to beat Labour in Scotland, wow.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 SNP could be short of overall majority. Corbyn officially becomes first Labour leader to lose seats in his first election.
Webbo Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 It was claimed that Labour lost in Scotland in the general election because they weren't leftwing enough. What's the excuse now?
SemperEadem Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 It was claimed that Labour lost in Scotland in the general election because they weren't leftwing enough. What's the excuse now? That the Scots are morons?
Alf Bentley Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 It was claimed that Labour lost in Scotland in the general election because they weren't leftwing enough. What's the excuse now? I doubt if any serious analysts made such a simplistic claim. Self-interested ultra-left types, maybe, just as self-interested ultra-right types thought the Tories just needed to be more right-wing and Eurosceptic to triumph under Hague, IDS & Howard. I'm no expert on Scottish politics, but this is roughly my reading of it. Labour had been "the establishment" for decades in Scotland and were often perceived as achieving nothing for Scotland against Tory governments at Westminster - and the New Labour project appealed a lot more to swing voters in England than to Scots. There were also issues of cronyism, cynical infighting & corruption in Scottish Labour (often the case when any party retains power for too long in a given country, region etc.).The SNP then convinced Scottish voters that they were a breath of fresh air and the saviours who would stand up for the Scottish people. They successfully campaigned for an independence referendum and nearly won it - and many of their voters still cherish the hope of another referendum some time soon. They have also had 2 very capable leaders in succession. In this context, Labour lost a lot more support by being perceived to have sided with "Westminster/England/the Tories" in opposing independence at the referendum I'm not sure where all that leads in future if the SNP don't win a second independence referendum. Unless they're brilliantly successful and popular in government, they'll effectively be the new "establishment" that people want rid of. The question then is who people will turn to - and who will be capable of benefiting.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 6 May 2016 Author Posted 6 May 2016 I'm suprised that the mainstream media are making so many comparisons to the 2012 results for,Labour under Ed. I don't really feel the fuller relevance given the very different situations and low turnouts. And of course, the EU referendum will be huge in shaping the future political landscape - and maybe Labour have played a blinder here by taking themselves as far away from this debate as possible.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 I'm suprised that the mainstream media are making so many comparisons to the 2012 results for,Labour under Ed. I don't really feel the fuller relevance given the very different situations and low turnouts. And of course, the EU referendum will be huge in shaping the future political landscape - and maybe Labour have played a blinder here by taking themselves as far away from this debate as possible. You can't really compare it to anything else, it's the same elections as 2012 in the same places, even more ridiculous is some of the Corbynistas trying to claim it's a success as it's a slight increase on last year You might be right on the last point, or we could see yet again them taking one side so fervently that they end up losing the vote of a sizeable amount of the electorate forever as in Scotland, time will tell. It's a bad night for the anti-Corbyn MP's, it's a poor result for them but not so bad it's obvious he has to go, they've clung on to most of what they had to defend. I'm still amazed at the Scottish result, Ruth Davidson is incredible, the Conservative party now has a chance to be the natural home of unionists going forward and they can finally deliver some proper opposition to the SNP.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 Saj crushing Zac in London, could even be a double digit win. This election will also show just how huge the appeal of Boris is, to win that city in the 21st century was incredible.
ramboacdc Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 Saj crushing Zac in London, could even be a double digit win. This election will also show just how huge the appeal of Boris is, to win that city in the 21st century was incredible. must say i like how someone figured the percentage out. nearly all votes are registered now so could be a resounding win.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 It was claimed that Labour lost in Scotland in the general election because they weren't leftwing enough. What's the excuse now? The idea Scotland is some huge bastion of hard left voters has always been nonsense, the Tories did well there until Thatcher got in, Tony Blair got the biggest Labour vote ever on his centerist platform. SNP voters are all about the independent Scotland, they aren't really that bothered about so called austerity. Labour is in an impossible position now, the voters they need back support independence, they either support that and give up hope of governing Britain or oppose it and give up hope of Scotland.
Rincewind Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 Bad results for Labour - In Scotland. Has Leicester moved further North on the geographical scale? I believe they did a little better in England.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2016 Posted 6 May 2016 Bad results for Labour - In Scotland. Has Leicester moved further North on the geographical scale? I believe they did a little better in England. Well they certainly did better than Scotland, suppose that's one way of looking at it. As Corbyn said, "We hung on". Maybe that can be the slogan for 2020 - "Vote for Jezza, he might cling on"
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