Alf Bentley Posted 8 May 2016 Posted 8 May 2016 A set of election results for which the word "Meh!" was invented... The glass half-full view: Despite widespread Labour Party infighting, bad press for Corbyn, a complete lack of vision and a scandal over anti-semitism, Labour didn't do as badly as many might have expected. In particular, not only did they perform strongly in London, but they didn't do badly in other parts of the South, though votes lost to UKIP in heartlands should be a cause for concern. However, at a general election, votes in Southampton and Crawley will be more crucial than votes in Teesside & Rotherham. Scotland was as disastrous as expected, but would probably have been just as bad under any other leader - a medium-term problem that won't go away any time soon unless the SNP disgrace themselves or lose a 2nd independence referendum. The glass half-empty view: Despite widespread Tory infighting, bad press for Osborne (Cameron seems to have inherited Blair's "Teflon" coating), a series of humiliating cock-ups and U-turns in major policy areas (budget, welfare, health, education) and a misguidedly filthy London mayoral campaign by Goldsmith, Labour did nowhere near as well as it should have been expecting against such a shambolic government. If the Tories get their act together even slightly and Corbyn stays in post and continues as before, they have zero chance in 2020. The die is nowhere near cast for 2020, though. The outcome of the EU referendum will be crucial, both in itself and in setting the agenda for politics over coming years. If we vote "out", the consequences, negotiations and deals will dominate politics for years to come. If there's a narrow "remain" vote, civil war on the Right looks very likely. What happened at these elections will probably have almost zero impact on future politics. But what happens over the next 6-12 months could set the agenda and determine the outcome of the 2020 general election. How much damage will the Tories do to their cause through infighting over the EU? Quite a lot, but not fatal is my guess. Will Corbyn start to present a political vision to win over uncommitted voters - and if not, will he still be in post in a year's time? No and No would be my guesses. Will UKIP have a clear and convincing purpose/identity after the referendum? Probably only if there's a "Leave" vote or a lot of bitterness about an "unfair" narrow "Remain" vote is my guess. Will the SNP haemorrhage support by 2020? Only a little, I suspect. Regardless of the moral repulsiveness of Goldsmith's campaign, electorally London is just the wrong place for that. Might have worked in S. Yorks, W. Yorks or E. Lancs, Zac! British politics really is in flux, but the next 6-12 months will be massive. In football terms, we definitely do not have Premier League title-winning politicians. More like Barwell v. Shepshed with both teams suffering hangovers and producing their worst performances of the season!
Christoph Posted 9 May 2016 Posted 9 May 2016 Hardly been a disaster though has it? Certainly not what the media seem to be making out. Dunno how true this picture is as I saw it on facebook but if it is correct then that's hardly a disaster for Labour. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/09/why-that-chart-demonstrating-jeremy-corbyns-election-success-is-misleading Nevermind. This article helps explain why the picture i posted is a load of shit!
Webbo Posted 9 May 2016 Posted 9 May 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/09/why-that-chart-demonstrating-jeremy-corbyns-election-success-is-misleading Nevermind. This article helps explain why the picture i posted is a load of shit! I'd never have guessed.
Guest MattP Posted 9 May 2016 Posted 9 May 2016 That map being shared I've never seen anything like this from a section of political supporters, just making up stuff to try and counter actual results. 2020 could be hilarious, they'll actually be claiming the Murdoch media aren't giving us the real results and Corbyn actually won.
Stadt Posted 9 May 2016 Posted 9 May 2016 That map being shared I've never seen anything like this from a section of political supporters, just making up stuff to try and counter actual results. 2020 could be hilarious, they'll actually be claiming the Murdoch media aren't giving us the real results and Corbyn actually won. North Korean levels of delusion
Rincewind Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 It seems they fecked up at the polling stations. Voters being turned away votes for Labour 'accidentally' ending up in a Tory pile resignations. I play poker with a guy who works at the election offices and can confirm this He said it was a nightmare afterwards for some councils election offices sorting out errors. Now a few police forces are investigating some MP's for inappropriate spending on election campaigns in the GE. Not sure which part was involved but if it was Labour I have a feeling that there would be a few threads mentioning it by now.
Webbo Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 It seems they fecked up at the polling stations. Voters being turned away votes for Labour 'accidentally' ending up in a Tory pile resignations. I play poker with a guy who works at the election offices and can confirm this He said it was a nightmare afterwards for some councils election offices sorting out errors. Now a few police forces are investigating some MP's for inappropriate spending on election campaigns in the GE. Not sure which part was involved but if it was Labour I have a feeling that there would be a few threads mentioning it by now. We didn't have any council elections in Leicester so I'm not sure what "some bloke in the pub" means. We had a police commissioner election but Labour won it so if there was any fraud perhaps you should look at them.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 It seems they fecked up at the polling stations. Voters being turned away votes for Labour 'accidentally' ending up in a Tory pile resignations. I play poker with a guy who works at the election offices and can confirm this He said it was a nightmare afterwards for some councils election offices sorting out errors. Now a few police forces are investigating some MP's for inappropriate spending on election campaigns in the GE. Not sure which part was involved but if it was Labour I have a feeling that there would be a few threads mentioning it by now. One council screwed up the lists or the electoral role, in a borough where Labour won anyway, and you turn this into some conspiracy?
Alf Bentley Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 It seems they fecked up at the polling stations. Voters being turned away votes for Labour 'accidentally' ending up in a Tory pile resignations. I play poker with a guy who works at the election offices and can confirm this He said it was a nightmare afterwards for some councils election offices sorting out errors. Now a few police forces are investigating some MP's for inappropriate spending on election campaigns in the GE. Not sure which part was involved but if it was Labour I have a feeling that there would be a few threads mentioning it by now. Clarification: - Tory-run Barnet council cocked up its voting lists. However, Labour won Barnet & Camden - and Barnet is the more Tory bit, so it may have been the Tories themselves who lost out through the blunder! - A single Labour councillor in Witney (of all places) thought he'd lost, then realised he'd won after a pile of his votes were found under some Tory votes; he himself says he was premature to tweet that he'd "lost" & didn't suspect anything dodgy. - The police are investigating various Tory MPs/general election candidates for not declaring expenses accrued through bussing in campaigners from elsewhere. This has been in the news and is much more serious if the police think there's anything in it. I'm sure there's always a range of chaos at elections, but I tend to believe "cock-up theories" more often than conspiracy theories. Sounds like a variety of minor cock-ups to me.....unless something comes of the police investigation into general election expenses; that could be much more important.
Rincewind Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 Webbo it was not just some bloke down the pub. He has access to information that would allow him to know things. Who do you think organises and collates votes and ensures results are in on time. Why does it always seem that 'cock ups' admin errors seem to involve Tories and corruption and wrong doings involve Labour?
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 Ken we didn't even have local elections in Leicester, we had a PCC election where Labour won because of a huge city centre vote. Where was he alleging these things took place?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 May 2016 Author Posted 10 May 2016 Wasn't some bloke called 'Nigel' who was complaining about postal vote rigging was it?
Darkon84 Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 I've found the last string of posts here, from Matt's at #54, or even from Christoph's self-correction regarding the social media meme probably funnier than I should have. "There'll be conspiracy theories in a minute".........Enter Ken, right on cue with one of his 'a bloke I know sez it was the Tory scum' stories......Only for Alf et all to accurately explain the situation by actually understanding what has occurred, rather than conspiracy hearsay. I could just still be tired and none of that is actually funny at all though, it's just my brain failing to function correctly, ha!
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 There's a cracker doing the rounds on Twitter, Labour apparantly got 46% of the vote but the Murdoch/Jewish media aren't interested in reporting it Corbyn is on course for a bigger landslide than Blair.
Darkon84 Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 There's a cracker doing the rounds on Twitter, Labour apparantly got 46% of the vote but the Murdoch/Jewish media aren't interested in reporting it Corbyn is on course for a bigger landslide than Blair. Blimey, even 'da joos' getting a blame for it now? In that one highlighted sentence, that's exactly why I don't use Twitter, but also, exactly why I probably should .
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 I don't use it, just have a dormant account to search and see things. Great for news etc These guys are brilliant, no idea how long it will last but I'm going to enjoy the "Corbynistas" while they are here, it's the old Green party nonsense/conspiracy theories/delusion etc but it's actually made it into the mainstream. Although the nation shouldn't forget Corbyn would have won on normal party members as well, that's the Labour membership now.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 Webbo it was not just some bloke down the pub. He has access to information that would allow him to know things. Who do you think organises and collates votes and ensures results are in on time. Why does it always seem that 'cock ups' admin errors seem to involve Tories and corruption and wrong doings involve Labour? It doesn't Ken, you are biased that is all.
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 Here it is https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiDMCq7WsAEZemO.jpg
Rincewind Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 It doesn't Ken, you are biased that is all. I am not naive enough to accept everything a politician says or does is correct regardless of what party they represent. And what part of I know someone that works the electoral office is hard to believe? Would you mock and take the piss if I said I knew a teacher or a plumber or a paint and decorator. People from all walks of life visit pubs and they often know things that people who do not do their jobs do not know. People that think that people in power are squeaky clean and do not bend the rules are blinkered. People on here were quick enough to criticise the 'cover ups' by Labour but then say it does not go on in the Tory party. I find that a tad biased.
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 Which elections was he alleging these things to have happened in Ken?
Webbo Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 I don't use it, just have a dormant account to search and see things. Great for news etc These guys are brilliant, no idea how long it will last but I'm going to enjoy the "Corbynistas" while they are here, it's the old Green party nonsense/conspiracy theories/delusion etc but it's actually made it into the mainstream. Although the nation shouldn't forget Corbyn would have won on normal party members as well, that's the Labour membership now. Campaign group 38 degrees has taken down a petition calling for BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg to be sacked, saying it had become a focal point for misogynist abuse. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/10/laura-kuenssberg-petition-sexist-abuse-38-degrees-bbc Not sure what's worse, the fact that these people try to get journalist sacked because they don't like what they report or the fact that these scum bags think they have the moral high ground.
Rincewind Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 I think it was more to do with the way she reported than what it was. It was not in line with the impartiality that the BBC is meant to represent. I do have emails from 38 Degrees. They have had some good campaigns in the past not all political. Animal and human rights included. Even calling for the release of British people being held captive by extremists. If it was not for them some would still be he held.
Guest MattP Posted 10 May 2016 Posted 10 May 2016 38 degrees used to be good as well, then like a lot of things it was hijacked by extremists determined to sack, slander, smear and suffocate anyone who holds a different opinion to them. Laura didn't get down on all fours and pay non stop homage to Jeremy Corbyn after the worst debut election result by a Labour leader so obviously she's a Tory and has to be sacked. If they wanted to tackle real bias at the BBC they'd be demanding to know how Question Time audiences so regularly fail to reflect the vote in the constituencies they are based in.
Guest MattP Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Outrageous story coming out of Wales. Looks like Leanne Wood could be first minister with the support of the Tories and UKIP. Could be a stroke of genius or political suicide.
Alf Bentley Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Outrageous story coming out of Wales. Looks like Leanne Wood could be first minister with the support of the Tories and UKIP. Could be a stroke of genius or political suicide. I hadn't seen that one coming! Political suicide for who, though? Certainly for Plaid, I'd have thought, if they went into alliance with UKIP.... Vote tied first time round, with the solitary Lib Dem abstaining - sounds as if she might back the Labour bod next time, though. If they want to take their trolling to the max maybe they should all get behind Neil Hamilton to lead Wales?!
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