does anybody else think the lap of honour could have been better

[RoboFox]

Aiyawatt could've taken the trophy from the players after the presentation and placed it in the centre-circle, taken off the lid, then preceded to drop-trou and lay a Cleaveland Steamer into the top of it.

 

...And I would've still stood there with a beaming smile on my face like an idiot for the next hour.

 

I didn't, and still don't have any issues with Top taking the trophy around. The amount of people on the pitch was unusual, but I can empathise with players and staff wanting their families involved in the spectacle... It was quite something.

[Guest MattP]

So to accuse anyone who may have been critical at any point of the Thais' ownership, for all the good they have done, of purely being a "nasty, xenophobic, racist element", is quite frankly astonishing on your part.

 

It's the standard reaction of anyone who can't put across a decent argument these days, throw in the race card to try and smear the opposing view.

 

The picture was weirder, would be like a Brit buying the New York Yankees and then parading around a picture of Liz and Prince Phillip after winning the World Series

[Dodgy Bob]

I would have preferred the players to have it but it really doesn't matter. Watching it back on Sky it looks like a few times at the start of the lap Top was looking for a player to pass it to but they were all too busy with families/interviews so he decided to proceed on himself.

Yep, looked back at it myself and his attempts to give the trophy to the players are pretty clear.

Let's not let that get in the way of an opportunity to bash the evil foreign owners though lol

[FrankH]

Voll Blau & Matt P & others, I'm not accusing everyone who criticises the owners of being xenophobic, racist etc.!!!!!! Of course, merely criticising the owners doesn't make you racist!!!! And I'm not trying to make a "decent argument" about anything. If you bother to read what I wrote properly, I merely point out that the fact that the owners are Thai gives an extra outlet to the nasty xenophobic elements which undoubtedly exist among the support of all clubs (yes, including AFC Wimbledon). But I seem to have touched a raw nerve with you. Which makes me wonder.

 

For what it's worth, I'd rather the owners had taken a less prominent part in the proceedings. But as has been pointed out by many, they seem to have been rather overtaken by events beyond their control. As for the King of Thailand, I suspect that is partly due to the particular position of the owners - as Thais of Chinese ethnicity, they will be looked upon with some suspicion in their home country, and need to display their allegiance to the monarchy especially clearly.

 

Incidentally, I clearly wasn't at the ground - only Leicester fans had a right to be there. I'm going largely on reports from people who were there. But even on what I saw on TV I could see that this was a really special occasion - emotionally way above any similar event in recent years - as of course it should have been. What the Foxes have achieved is truly unprecedented. Monday May 2nd was already an immense occasion. Now this. And there's still Monday, May 16th to come. Let's hope that there's not too much to complain about then!!!

[Voll Blau]

Yep, looked back at it myself and his attempts to give the trophy to the players are pretty clear.

Let's not let that get in the way of an opportunity to bash the evil foreign owners though lol

 

Again, people are just remarking that it was odd. Which it was.

[ImBlue]

Again, people are just remarking that it was odd. Which it was.

The owners holding the premier league trophy for the lap of honour after the presentation on the stand to the players. Of which it's been pointed out he tried to pass it on unsuccessfully a few times.

Doesn't sound strange at all.

[Voll Blau]

Voll Blau & Matt P & others, I'm not accusing everyone who criticises the owners of being xenophobic, racist etc.!!!!!! Of course, merely criticising the owners doesn't make you racist!!!! And I'm not trying to make a "decent argument" about anything. If you bother to read what I wrote properly, I merely point out that the fact that the owners are Thai gives an extra outlet to the nasty xenophobic elements which undoubtedly exist among the support of all clubs (yes, including AFC Wimbledon). But I seem to have touched a raw nerve with you. Which makes me wonder.

 

 

 

Any criticism I've ever heard of the Thais during their tenure here has been due entirely to footballing, financial or branding/marketing-related matters to do with the club. The theories you've posited about it allowing a certain element of our support, which I accept sadly exists, to hijack such criticism to promote their views is, thankfully, not something I've encountered.

[Dan]

A few non-Leicester fans at work (and I at the time) thought Top was on a massive ego-trip but to be fair I think he was looking round on occasion looking for someone to hand it off to... Unfortunately the players were going so slowly he probably thought it best to just keep going.

Lack of Status Quo was a bigger issue imo.

EDIT before the 'ffs always something to moan about' brigade arrive, I'm sure people are not really that concerned, it's just an observation.

 

Said that at the time.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I'd have preferred Wes or Claudio carrying the trophy round but I suppose you can't have it all your own way.

 

Drinky's son needs to get in SK1, future kop leader for sure. 

Said that at the time.

Made up for it in the Globe mind 

[Guest MattP]

 

Any criticism I've ever heard of the Thais during their tenure here has been due entirely to footballing, financial or branding/marketing-related matters to do with the club. The theories you've posited about it allowing a certain element of our support, which I accept sadly exists, to hijack such criticism to promote their views is, thankfully, not something I've encountered.

 

Me neither, I've never seen of heard any criticism of the owners that has been directed at them on the basis of race or nationality. It's just a cliche a certain few people seem to want to throw around for whatever reason.

[FrankH]

 

Any criticism I've ever heard of the Thais during their tenure here has been due entirely to footballing, financial or branding/marketing-related matters to do with the club. The theories you've posited about it allowing a certain element of our support, which I accept sadly exists, to hijack such criticism to promote their views is, thankfully, not something I've encountered.

 

Well, I accept your word on this, as you clearly know more about the Leicester City fanbase than I do. However, I would indeed be surprised if the fact of their race/nationality never played a part, if not openly so (difficult to be openly racist these days). Not of course in all, or even most, criticism - but perhaps just occasionally.

[Dodgy Bob]

Again, people are just remarking that it was odd. Which it was.

If he'd have grabbed the trophy, refused to let anyone else have it and walked around pretending like his was his alone then that would have been odd.

But he didn't do any of those things. They had to be pushed to get involved in the celebrations by Ranieri, Top tried to give the trophy to the players but they preferred to walk with their families. Top then walked around making a clear point that the trophy wasn't his, but belongs to the fans. He was clearly well aware that being seen to hog the trophy would have been mildly inappropriate and took steps to avoid it, and then made sure he dedicated it to the fans.

I don't know what more the owners can do to prove their class to some of you. They've been exemplary for years and yet there still seems to be a pocket of suspicion and mistrust. I'd count myself among those who would prefer fan ownership but we've never been organised or motivated enough to do it, so our only option is to have a wealthy owners. As owners go they've been superb. Criticising them over this strikes me as very harsh and spiteful, which is a position I can't understand.

[Carl the Llama]

This thread

[Guest MattP]

Well, I accept your word on this, as you clearly know more about the Leicester City fanbase than I do. However, I would indeed be surprised if the fact of their race/nationality never played a part, if not openly so (difficult to be openly racist these days). Not of course in all, or even most, criticism - but perhaps just occasionally.

 

So despite never having actually heard it you just decided to assume some people were racist because they had criticised the owners?

 

Good grief.

[FrankH]

Me neither, I've never seen of heard any criticism of the owners that has been directed at them on the basis of race or nationality. It's just a cliche a certain few people seem to want to throw around for whatever reason.

 

Yes, the race card is used far too often, and with no basis. But racism exists, and has a more pervasive effect then many realise or acknowledge. So it's not always a "cliché".

 

Again, I'm emphatically not accusing any criticism of the owners as being racist in motivation. And all owners, of whatever race/nationality get some criticism, some justified, some not so.

 

Actually my main point doesn't concern racism, but the moaning/hating attitude of some (many?) people in all walks of life who seem to constantly want something to whinge about.

[bovril]

The picture was weirder, would be like a Brit buying the New York Yankees and then parading around a picture of Liz and Prince Phillip after winning the World Series

 

If Liz and Prince Philip were worth 30 billion and chucked critics in jail for 15 years.

 

Tbh I think it's only Moosebreath and his multiple personas that actually accuse people of being racist for criticising the owners.

[Guest MattP]

If Liz and Prince Philip were worth 30 billion and chucked critics in jail for 15 years.

 

Tbh I think it's only Moosebreath and his multiple personas that actually accuse people of being racist for criticising the owners.

 

- It was weird to have a picture paraded around the stadium of people guilty of horrific human rights abuses, only getting away with that if you have won the league.

 

I think you've nailed it, FrankH = Franktobe.

[bovril]

- It was weird to have a picture paraded around the stadium of people guilty of horrific human rights abuses, only getting away with that if you have won the league.

 

I think you've nailed it, FrankH = Franktobe.

 

Dodgy Bob is definitely Moose.

[FrankH]

So despite never having actually heard it you just decided to assume some people were racist because they had criticised the owners?

 

Good grief.

 

I don't assume that people are racist because they criticised the owners. That some criticism will be tinged with racism is actually quite possible.

 

Unless the Leicester City fanbase is unrepresentative of the human race as a whole, there are bound to be some who are racist. Their attitude to the owners will be affected by that.

[ScouseFox]

- It was weird to have a picture paraded around the stadium of people guilty of horrific human rights abuses, only getting away with that if you have won the league.

 

I think you've nailed it, FrankH = Franktobe.

 

crikey, mattp = sherlock homes 

[Guest MattP]

crikey, mattp = sherlock homes 

 

I didn't notice at first somehow!

[Voll Blau]

If he'd have grabbed the trophy, refused to let anyone else have it and walked around pretending like his was his alone then that would have been odd.

But he didn't do any of those things. They had to be pushed to get involved in the celebrations by Ranieri, Top tried to give the trophy to the players but they preferred to walk with their families. Top then walked around making a clear point that the trophy wasn't his, but belongs to the fans. He was clearly well aware that being seen to hog the trophy would have been mildly inappropriate and took steps to avoid it, and then made sure he dedicated it to the fans.

I don't know what more the owners can do to prove their class to some of you. They've been exemplary for years and yet there still seems to be a pocket of suspicion and mistrust. I'd count myself among those who would prefer fan ownership but we've never been organised or motivated enough to do it, so our only option is to have a wealthy owners. As owners go they've been superb. Criticising them over this strikes me as very harsh and spiteful, which is a position I can't understand.

 

I don't think there's anything unreasonable about remarking that a chairman parading a trophy first is "odd", regardless of the circumstances. It's not a criticism of him, more a comment on the usual convention of trophy presentations in general. At least, I think that's what most people have been getting at here?

[Hungry Hungry Fox]

People are going on like the players didn't get a chance to lift the trophy

Hello! Top was the last person to hold it

[FrankH]

- It was weird to have a picture paraded around the stadium of people guilty of horrific human rights abuses, only getting away with that if you have won the league.

 

I think you've nailed it, FrankH = Franktobe.

 

Since I haven't the faintest idea what/who you're talking about, I can hardly answer that!

 

You're right about the human rights abuses however - which is why the owners have to be very careful.

 

Anyway, I have to be off now, to lecture on "Human Evolution" - I find football always provides good examples to highlight theories on this !​