Roy Hodgson

[EGBFitness]

Drinky should of gone and Noble should of gone. Both had great seasons and was better options than what we took.

Other players that should of been considered -

Albrighton

Gray - I know his young but willing to take Rashford and Gray has more experience

Antonio

Townsend

Lingaard

Why did we only take 1 registered winger!? When the squad was selected I thought it pointed to us playing a diamond midfield allowing Rose/Walker to run the wings. Makes no sense to only take Sterling and play a formation with wingers. We have a lot more options than just Walcott and the Ox.

Shelvey - some rate him, some don't - always been consistent and would of been useful in the midfield whilst dominating possession.

Carroll - yes he hasn't been called up since 2012 but the games we played in was screaming out for a player who could cross (Albrighton) and a physical player in the box. I think we all thought Kane was going to play that role and didn't.

I don't think a few of the Bournemouth players should of been ruled out either - Wilson for example. As a whole they all had a good season and certainly didn't look out of place. Think I seen before the euros, statistically some of the Bournemouth players was better than what we took.

Defoe - slight outsider, always great around the box and knows where the goal is, will definitely get you a goal when needed - just not sure if his time has been and gone now.

Problem we face now is no matter who takes over the problem will always remain - The FA. There needs to be a revamp all over and a different approach to selection, this Euros squad selection was a complete disaster but there has been plenty in the past too which have had their problems too.

[Fox92]

Generally agree but hart proved he shouldn't be first choice, which we knew before the tournament.

Also I don't get the love for dier, Alli and drinkwater are much more effective players. The only thing he can do that those two can't do better is head the ball.

 

Our other good goalkeeper was/is injured though (Butland) as I personally don't think Foster is any better than Hart.

 

Alli doesn't do the job Dier does either. Drinkwater should have gone, as should have Noble.

 

Hodgson failed in his squad selection. Lack of width was ridiculous.

[Fox92]

Something that rankles with me is the man's unbelievable arrogance . I listened to that press conference in complete disbelief. To sit there and say he has no idea what he is doing there. The sheer arrogance of the man is beyond comprehension.

He has hustled the fa out of a fortune and has delivered not only a tournament of abject and unprecedented failure but the most humiliating result in our nation's footballing history.

There is a dossier of mistakes to throw at his door. From insisting on picking players who were not deserving of being there to basic tactical errors to constant indecision in his team selections and tactics. The bewildering decision to have Kane on set pieces. Setting up with Rooney in midfield for the first time in a tournament- this is no time for experimenting. Bringing Milner on against Russia when the game was screaming out for vardy to come on and stretch an ageing, tired defence who were chasing the game. But Failure to build a cohesive team with all the talent available whilst leaving deserving players at home is his biggest crime. You can accept being beaten by a better team but at the very least you want a group collective who try, who want to fight. We ended up a team with no spirit, no drive and ultimately no clue . An absolute embarrassment of the highest order.

And the worst thing is we all predicted it, we all knew hodgson was going to be the biggest handicap to our chances. Seeing Wales who are everything England are not, equal all of England's achievements since 1966 just increased my anger at the man. I'm absolutely fuming about it.

Monday night was a low watermark for the England team. That genuinely was rock bottom. He should have had his contract terminated immediately after the humiliating world cup exit in 2014 & I have no confidence in the people who are looking for his successor as they are the same clueless blazers who kept him on. They are as culpable as hodgson.

The reason you were there Roy is to explain yourself and to apologize.

Shame on Roy Hodgson and shame on the FA.

 

He should never have got the job anyway. Hodgson has never ever been good enough to manage England. I'm not a huge fan of Harry Redknapp but he should have got the job over Hodgson. He would have sorted the players out, that's for sure, and these with no effort (like Sturridge and Sterling) wouldn't have been near the side... But a man like Redknapp won't get the job because he'd tell the FA what to do. He isn't a yes man, where as Hodgson is... Brian Clough should have got the job, but didn't because the FA knew he'd run the show. Massive shame because Clough would have delivered for England as he was a genius.

 

I don't feel sorry for the FA, they've let all this happen year after year after year. The next manager will probably be a yes man, we'll fail, he'll say our squad is "too young" (what's that about when Germany have the youngest squad there) and we'll go round and round in circles until we take a leaf out of Germany's book and Spain's book (and even Italy) and sort out football in this country. It's a mess.

[Guest Col city fan]

He should never have got the job anyway. Hodgson has never ever been good enough to manage England. I'm not a huge fan of Harry Redknapp but he should have got the job over Hodgson. He would have sorted the players out, that's for sure, and these with no effort (like Sturridge and Sterling) wouldn't have been near the side... But a man like Redknapp won't get the job because he'd tell the FA what to do. He isn't a yes man, where as Hodgson is... Brian Clough should have got the job, but didn't because the FA knew he'd run the show. Massive shame because Clough would have delivered for England as he was a genius.

I don't feel sorry for the FA, they've let all this happen year after year after year. The next manager will probably be a yes man, we'll fail, he'll say our squad is "too young" (what's that about when Germany have the youngest squad there) and we'll go round and round in circles until we take a leaf out of Germany's book and Spain's book (and even Italy) and sort out football in this country. It's a mess.

Good post. I'm generally of the opinion that the England squad don't need a lot of coaching. They are pro's, playing week in, week out in the Premiership.

What they need is a. The right system of playing. b. To know exactly what their roles are. c. To stick with it, with a plan b in place if it isn't working. d. A manager with good management skills, a good footballing reputation and a bloke they can respect.

Redknapp would have fitted this bill four years ago. Now, I'm afraid, he's past his best.

Hodgson should never have been the England manager and, seeing how we shit out at the World Cup, should have been given his marching orders straight afterwards. This isnt hindsight. Some of us called it straight after the World Cup shambles.

It makes me wonder what he Hell Hodgson has been doing for two years. I'm not talking about qualifying. That's not our problem and pretty much never has been. But to come into a massive tournament again now knowing our best formation and best team is simply unforgivable. Far from even attempting an apology, the cvnt even made out he didn't know what he was doing there at the second press conference. He should give his money back. He's not earnt it. Not in a million years.

[yorkie1999]

Good at halmstads bk and malmo ff. Whoever they are.

[Jattdogg]

FA need to realise they are the problem and fire themselves. Should have been at that conference the next day saying "woy you were shite and were going to be fired. We also were shite for hiring you and let down our country for the umpteenth time. We are firing ourselves with immediate effect".

[foxy boxing]

The England manager should not,I repeat should not be the highest paid international manager in the world until they've actually f###### done something in a major tournament

[Dan]

A few things about the whole campaign just do not add up to me.

 

Roy Hodgson went into the England job as someone who I thought was steady. Not my choice at the time (honestly can't remember who mine was) and not particularly exciting, but someone who could organise us defensively and someone who I thought could squeeze the best out of a declining squad.

 

What he turned into was absolutely beyond me. There's something fundamentally wrong behind the scenes with England. I have honestly never seen an England side go into a tournament so horrendously unprepared despite being the first side to qualify after the hosts, despite having a manager who had been there for four years, despite having the teams who finished 1st and 3rd in the Premier League playing 4 and 5 English players respectively. How could he get it that wrong? Who on earth is pulling the strings here?

 

The squad selection was absolutely disgraceful and that alone about killed any enthusiasm I had for this tournament from an England perspective. To me it just turned the whole thing sour before it even kicked off. The squad absolutely blatantly picked on name and club rather than merit or system. The tinkering with three different formations in the three friendlies leading up to the tournament was also bizarre - the performances in all three games poor, but as usual in the friendly we got the result so no-one bats en eyelid. How on earth could a side who had, lets be honest, all but qualified after the first game, not have a clue what system they were going to play? We had the absolutely ideal chance to experiment and we never took it.

 

That leads you on to his "systems win you nothing" comment. Some said it was the media taking it out of context, but in hindsight they didn't. Roy Hodgson displayed during that tournament that to him, systems meant nothing, and that cramming what he believed his 'star' players in at all costs would be what sees us through. Arrogance beyond belief, and pretty bizarre from a man who took Fulham, FULHAM, to the Europa League final - how can someone who did that believe systems win you nothing? It doesn't add up.

 

The sponsors theory fits. Maybe it's my cynical nature but I'm not convinced Hodgson was actually in full control of picking the team. That's the only way you can explain some of the stuff that happened.

 

That he had pre-prepared a resignation speech absolutely summed him up. Where was the heart? Surely something like that doesn't need preparing, surely you can speak how you really feel after managing a team for four years.

 

And his arrogance the day after was phenomenal. The England fans have been absolutely cheated. Some of them have been through some absolute shite during this tournament from the Russians, Marseille fans and the French police and they're given that kind of arrogance? Unbelievable. Any jot of respect I had for the man gone.

 

I think he gave up in the end.

[RowlattsFox]

Roy seemed to abandon what he was supposedly good at, a lot of his success in the past came through organisation and structure. He has tried to be 'modern' with his formations and he is clearly out of his depth with them and didn't know how to make them work. WTF was that attempt of the diamond?

 

Ok it wouldn't be pretty but Roy should probably have stuck to what he knows with a defensive formation and used pace in attack. Flat back 4, a narrow midfield which will protect and then pace up front. He would have been cruficfied for being too negative though so its a bit of a no-win for him. Roy's best performance was in 2012 when he managed to get results, despite it being a poor watch for a supporter.

 

Out of his depth in the end.

[Dan]

Roy seemed to abandon what he was supposedly good at, a lot of his success in the past came through organisation and structure. He has tried to be 'modern' with his formations and he is clearly out of his depth with them and didn't know how to make them work. WTF was that attempt of the diamond?

 

Ok it wouldn't be pretty but Roy should probably have stuck to what he knows with a defensive formation and used pace in attack. Flat back 4, a narrow midfield which will protect and then pace up front. He would have been cruficfied for being too negative though so its a bit of a no-win for him. Roy's best performance was in 2012 when he managed to get results, despite it being a poor watch for a supporter.

 

Out of his depth in the end.

 

Hodgson's tried to 'get with it' as a manager who isn't really the man to do so, with a group of players who don't really fit the way he was trying to play. It was a shambles.

[RonnieTodger]

At the time, I thought it was crying out for Redknapp given the relative success he had at Spurs. Obviously in recent (and arguably past) he's proven himself to be a complete fraud in more ways than one. 

 

However we still chose Roy Hodgson whose only remarkable managerial achievement was getting Fulham to the Europa League final (which he then followed up by failing miserably at Liverpool). Directly before we appointed him, he'd finished 12th (i think) with West Brom. Is this what we now look for in an England manager? Is that how low the bar is? The Euro 2012 performance was pretty shambolic and it was laughable that we took Italy all the way to penalties. Looking back at that awful performance and realising just how much we've regressed since then in 4 years is just woeful. 

 

I'm not one of these people that pretends I don't care about England. Obviously I care more about Leicester's results but as a football fan, watching England win in major tournaments is one of the best things about football. After that pathetic display, I just can't be bothered with this qualifying campaign because without serious change, we will probably qualify for Russia and just do the same all over again. Gareth Southgate can piss off. 

 

Also Tuna is spot on about Hodgson's sheer audacity to question why he was at that press conference. You can't **** up two tournaments in a row and walk out without expecting to face any questions you dopey old berk. 

[Guest Col city fan]

A few things about the whole campaign just do not add up to me.

Roy Hodgson went into the England job as someone who I thought was steady. Not my choice at the time (honestly can't remember who mine was) and not particularly exciting, but someone who could organise us defensively and someone who I thought could squeeze the best out of a declining squad.

What he turned into was absolutely beyond me. There's something fundamentally wrong behind the scenes with England. I have honestly never seen an England side go into a tournament so horrendously unprepared despite being the first side to qualify after the hosts, despite having a manager who had been there for four years, despite having the teams who finished 1st and 3rd in the Premier League playing 4 and 5 English players respectively. How could he get it that wrong? Who on earth is pulling the strings here?

The squad selection was absolutely disgraceful and that alone about killed any enthusiasm I had for this tournament from an England perspective. To me it just turned the whole thing sour before it even kicked off. The squad absolutely blatantly picked on name and club rather than merit or system. The tinkering with three different formations in the three friendlies leading up to the tournament was also bizarre - the performances in all three games poor, but as usual in the friendly we got the result so no-one bats en eyelid. How on earth could a side who had, lets be honest, all but qualified after the first game, not have a clue what system they were going to play? We had the absolutely ideal chance to experiment and we never took it.

That leads you on to his "systems win you nothing" comment. Some said it was the media taking it out of context, but in hindsight they didn't. Roy Hodgson displayed during that tournament that to him, systems meant nothing, and that cramming what he believed his 'star' players in at all costs would be what sees us through. Arrogance beyond belief, and pretty bizarre from a man who took Fulham, FULHAM, to the Europa League final - how can someone who did that believe systems win you nothing? It doesn't add up.

The sponsors theory fits. Maybe it's my cynical nature but I'm not convinced Hodgson was actually in full control of picking the team. That's the only way you can explain some of the stuff that happened.

That he had pre-prepared a resignation speech absolutely summed him up. Where was the heart? Surely something like that doesn't need preparing, surely you can speak how you really feel after managing a team for four years.

And his arrogance the day after was phenomenal. The England fans have been absolutely cheated. Some of them have been through some absolute shite during this tournament from the Russians, Marseille fans and the French police and they're given that kind of arrogance? Unbelievable. Any jot of respect I had for the man gone.

I think he gave up in the end.

Super post, although I think Hodgson probably WAS solely responsible for squad/team selection.

We saw it all season and this wasn't coincidental. Every time Leicester did well, everytime Vardy scored or Drinkwater made a sublime pass, the camera panned to Roy (when he was watching) and he genuinely looked pissed off. I think he somehow felt that his 'big players' would shine at the right time and would play for him. I think he thought having to take Vardy was a hindrance and of course, he didn't even take Drinkwater. Townsend came into the picture (having played well but in an horrendous Newcastle side) and Albrighton, I believe, never even crossed his mind.

It's my feeling that Hodgson is blindly arrogant. He was going to see what certain players could do in the friendlies, almost because he felt the media would slate him if he didn't, BUT I think he'd made his mind up on the squad months ago. The inclusion of Wilshere, who'd hardly kicked a ball for fun, being a case in point.

Hodgson proved to be a terrible manager. The players didn't seem to want to play for him (what they said, and what they did looked to be poles apart). He picked his squad on reputation. The team had zero balance to it. The choice of Kane as set piece taker will go down in the annals of footballs 'horrible histories'.

I think you could be reading too much into it. From every angle, Hodgson was simply a shite manager and to be paying him what the FA were paying him and to give him such a prestigious job is tantamount to criminality. Yet again, we had a decent shout of making the semis and yet again it's been a total fook up.

HE SHOULD HAVE GONE AFTER THE WORLD CUP.

[Manwell Pablo]

Super post, although I think Hodgson probably WAS solely responsible for squad/team selection.

We saw it all season and this wasn't coincidental. Every time Leicester did well, everytime Vardy scored or Drinkwater made a sublime pass, the camera panned to Roy (when he was watching) and he genuinely looked pissed off. I think he somehow felt that his 'big players' would shine at the right time and would play for him. I think he thought having to take Vardy was a hindrance and of course, he didn't even take Drinkwater. Townsend came into the picture (having played well but in an horrendous Newcastle side) and Albrighton, I believe, never even crossed his mind.

It's my feeling that Hodgson is blindly arrogant. He was going to see what certain players could do in the friendlies, almost because he felt the media would slate him if he didn't, BUT I think he'd made his mind up on the squad months ago. The inclusion of Wilshere, who'd hardly kicked a ball for fun, being a case in point.

Hodgson proved to be a terrible manager. The players didn't seem to want to play for him (what they said, and what they did looked to be poles apart). He picked his squad on reputation. The team had zero balance to it. The choice of Kane as set piece taker will go down in the annals of footballs 'horrible histories'.

I think you could be reading too much into it. From every angle, Hodgson was simply a shite manager and to be paying him what the FA were paying him and to give him such a prestigious job is tantamount to criminality. Yet again, we had a decent shout of making the semis and yet again it's been a total fook up.

HE SHOULD HAVE GONE AFTER THE WORLD CUP.

 

 

He is not a "terrible" manager, he's done a terrible job with England granted and the decision making at this tournament was quite out and out bizarre at times and he's rightly gone. He is still well thought of by the vast majority of teams he has taken charge of over the years as he's done a good job at most of them and this is a lot clubs and countries you are talking about, I think they even gave him some sort of knighthood in Finland. Not that I disagree with you on his wages mind you, redonkeyless, The FA should learn from that but no doubt they wont. 

 

England managers job is not prestigious anymore, it is the biggest poisoned chalice going, that's why no one any good wants it anymore.  As sadly, as badly as Hodgson has done in managing the team, the fact he put Harry Kane on corners and the team was a disorganized mess seems to be masking the bigger picture. There's a million and one things wrong with the game in this country starting at grass root kids football, predominately with lack of coaches, going all the way up to managers and selection of teams, the media, the mentality the players have etc. It's all a big parcel of inefficient shit and it needs to change or we will go nowhere. You've been watching a different England to me for the past 20 years if you think a quick management change is what stands between us and being any good at tournaments. I think we've beat one top team since 1996.

 

Big Sam for me but it will take him some time to turn it around........Not that the FA will give him the job.

[Guest Col city fan]

He is not a "terrible" manager, he's done a terrible job with England granted and the decision making at this tournament was quite out and out bizarre at times and he's rightly gone. He is still well thought of by the vast majority of teams he has taken charge of over the years as he's done a good job at most of them and this is a lot clubs and countries you are talking about, I think they even gave him some sort of knighthood in Finland. Not that I disagree with you on his wages mind you, redonkeyless, The FA should learn from that but no doubt they wont.

England managers job is not prestigious anymore, it is the biggest poisoned chalice going, that's why no one any good wants it anymore. As sadly, as badly as Hodgson has done in managing the team, the fact he put Harry Kane on corners and the team was a disorganized mess seems to be masking the bigger picture. There's a million and one things wrong with the game in this country starting at grass root kids football, predominately with lack of coaches, going all the way up to managers and selection of teams, the media, the mentality the players have etc. It's all a big parcel of inefficient shit and it needs to change or we will go nowhere. You've been watching a different England to me for the past 20 years if you think a quick management change is what stands between us and being any good at tournaments. I think we've beat one top team since 1996.

Big Sam for me but it will take him some time to turn it around........Not that the FA will give him the job.

I'd imagine the 'well thought of' comment has gone by the wayside somewhat after the completely shameful spectacle he's made at the two major tournaments he's been in charge of.

You're right, it goes deeper than Hodgson. But the buck for picking a naff squad, not knowing his best team, playing a Mickey Mouse formation, having Harry Kane on set pieces, and thinking that Wooney could be Pirlo, firmly stops with him.

Which was the point I'm making.

Terrible manager. One of the worst the country has had at the helm.

People will forget about these things over time, I'm sure.

I won't. I'm still angry at the Iceland performance...one of the worst I've ever seen from an England side.

I believe I saw you post in the Iceland v France game that you were glad Iceland beat us, cos France would have destroyed us anyway.

With an attitude like that, it's a good job you weren't 'fighting in the trenches'.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'd imagine the 'well thought of' comment has gone by the wayside somewhat after the completely shameful spectacle he's made at the two major tournaments he's been in charge of.

You're right, it goes deeper than Hodgson. But the buck for picking a naff squad, not knowing his best team, playing a Mickey Mouse formation, having Harry Kane on set pieces, and thinking that Wooney could be Pirlo, firmly stops with him.

Which was the point I'm making.

Terrible manager. One of the worst the country has had at the helm.

People will forget about these things over time, I'm sure.

I won't. I'm still angry at the Iceland performance...one of the worst I've ever seen from an England side.

I believe I saw you post in the Iceland v France game that you were glad Iceland beat us, cos France would have destroyed us anyway.

With an attitude like that, it's a good job your weren't 'fighting in the trenches'

 

I doubt the places he's been and done a good job for don't give monkeys tbh. Do you care most Greek fans probably view Claudio as a total dipstick? Should imagine not. Awful for us, predominately off the back of this tournament, qualification was always comfortable and the World Cup is always a debatable point due to the strength of the group, although Costa Rica winning it renders it moot some what, but yes total awful mess of a summer, rightfully gone. 

 

 

Tbh if I was in a trench with Jack Wilshire Wayne Rooney Jordan Henderson, you get the picture, I think a white flag is the right option.

[yorkie1999]

I think the disappointment in the league completely knocked the stuffing out of the spurs players which Hodgson had tried to build a team around, (because they play together it's the simplest thing to do), but didn't recognize that their confidence was gone. Rioting at Chelsea and then the 5-1 loss to Newcastle were surely signs of this. Maybe Rooney, as captain, should have also seen this. After putting all his eggs in one basket, he had no plan B 

[Dan]

Super post, although I think Hodgson probably WAS solely responsible for squad/team selection.

We saw it all season and this wasn't coincidental. Every time Leicester did well, everytime Vardy scored or Drinkwater made a sublime pass, the camera panned to Roy (when he was watching) and he genuinely looked pissed off. I think he somehow felt that his 'big players' would shine at the right time and would play for him. I think he thought having to take Vardy was a hindrance and of course, he didn't even take Drinkwater. Townsend came into the picture (having played well but in an horrendous Newcastle side) and Albrighton, I believe, never even crossed his mind.

It's my feeling that Hodgson is blindly arrogant. He was going to see what certain players could do in the friendlies, almost because he felt the media would slate him if he didn't, BUT I think he'd made his mind up on the squad months ago. The inclusion of Wilshere, who'd hardly kicked a ball for fun, being a case in point.

Hodgson proved to be a terrible manager. The players didn't seem to want to play for him (what they said, and what they did looked to be poles apart). He picked his squad on reputation. The team had zero balance to it. The choice of Kane as set piece taker will go down in the annals of footballs 'horrible histories'.

I think you could be reading too much into it. From every angle, Hodgson was simply a shite manager and to be paying him what the FA were paying him and to give him such a prestigious job is tantamount to criminality. Yet again, we had a decent shout of making the semis and yet again it's been a total fook up.

HE SHOULD HAVE GONE AFTER THE WORLD CUP.

 

I did wonder about the whole reacting to a Vardy goal thing. I wonder if it's just co-incidence but you do look at him and get the impression he's thinking "shit, I've now got a decision to make". Like I said, if the sponsors theory is true - then you've got to either snub them or you snub an in-form forward, getting backlash either way.

 

There might be nothing in it but he showed a snobbery with Vardy throughout. You've only got to listen to some of the things he said. Constantly gave off the impression he thought Vardy wasn't actually good enough for his team, would rather look for excuses to not play him.

 

I got the impression he looked for excuses to take certain players (always the big club players) and excuses to not take others. There is absolutely no way on this planet that Drinkwater gets excluded if he wins the league with Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs or even Everton.

 

I'm not sure I am reading too much into it - like I said, he was always quite steady. He was never exciting, never really innovative and never particularly entertaining but he wasn't that bad a manager at club level, he was never THIS bad put it that way.

 

I just hope moving forward we really do take this tournament as a big kick up the arse, an eye opener of the level we really are at right now, but I'd not be at all surprised if we're still saying the same things in two years time.

[Manwell Pablo]

Quite literally destest the cnvt and laff loudly at all those who said he should stay on after the farce that was Brazil.

 

 

Well well well, I've had an interesting morning/afternoon. Had a massive download to do for most of the day so had a bit of time to take a bit of a trip down memory lane, look at a few old threads etc.

 

And what do you know, I've actually just stumbled upon the Roy Hodgson Out thread (actually started by yours truly, someone accused of being pro Hodgson by our protagonist here) from World Cup 2014, starring our very own Col City Fan voicing his opinions on the reason why we were dumped out of the World Cup.

 

So Col, do you want to actually tell the good people of Foxestalk the actual truth, that you didn't once blame RH for our early World Cup exit and didn't once say he should be sacked, (despite now 2 years later claiming it was a clear as day he should of gone there and then) or shall we get a link to the thread up?

 

EDIT: OMG I hadn't even got to the best part, Signature Material.

[Manwell Pablo]

Good post. I'm generally of the opinion that the England squad don't need a lot of coaching. They are pro's, playing week in, week out in the Premiership.

What they need is a. The right system of playing. b. To know exactly what their roles are. c. To stick with it, with a plan b in place if it isn't working. d. A manager with good management skills, a good footballing reputation and a bloke they can respect.

Redknapp would have fitted this bill four years ago. Now, I'm afraid, he's past his best.

Hodgson should never have been the England manager and, seeing how we shit out at the World Cup, should have been given his marching orders straight afterwards. This isnt hindsight. Some of us called it straight after the World Cup shambles.

It makes me wonder what he Hell Hodgson has been doing for two years. I'm not talking about qualifying. That's not our problem and pretty much never has been. But to come into a massive tournament again now knowing our best formation and best team is simply unforgivable. Far from even attempting an apology, the cvnt even made out he didn't know what he was doing there at the second press conference. He should give his money back. He's not earnt it. Not in a million years.

 

 

lol lol

 

 

Who were they then cause it certainly wasn't you lol

 

Best day ever.

[Guest Col city fan]

lol lol

Who were they then cause it certainly wasn't you lol

Best day ever.

Absolutely put the thread up!

I've just read back through most of it. I was more angry than most with how we had performed, was arguing that Redknapp couldn't have done any worse a job than Hodgson, was slating the FA and pretty much saying whatever manager we got in whilst the set up was as it was would fail. A root and branch approach was needed two years ago or things wouldn't get better.

I didn't write that Woy should be sacked, no, instead saying the problem had for years gone much deeper than any single manager. But he definitely should a been. His ridiculous decisions at THIS tournament were on HIS head and his alone.

If you really want to laff, read some of the other gubbins in the thread, which does make for very humorous reading.

Finally, it was two years ago. I didn't say that you were one of the ones saying Woy should stay, I said I was racking my brains.

So I've no idea what point you are making other than probably still smarting from being pulled up for the tripe you were writing the other night.

England's dismal displays in successive tournaments have their roots deeply set in all manner of various issues. It's a complex phenomenon. Hodgson has compounded this by essentially being one of the worst managers across a string of failures. He definitely should have gone after the World Cup.

What we do now is subject, again, to massive speculation. What is clear is that simply replacing the manager without looking at the bigger picture will result in failure once more.

[Manwell Pablo]

Absolutely put the thread up!

I've just read back through most of it. I was more angry than most with how we had performed, was arguing that Redknapp couldn't have done any worse a job than Hodgson, was slating the FA and pretty much saying whatever manager we got in whilst the set up was as it was would fail. A root and branch approach was needed two years ago or things wouldn't get better.

I didn't write that Woy should be sacked, no, instead saying the problem had for years gone much deeper than any single manager. But he definitely should a been. His ridiculous decisions at THIS tournament were on HIS head and his alone.

If you really want to laff, read some of the other gubbins in the thread, which does make for very humorous reading.

Finally, it was two years ago. I didn't say that you were one of the ones saying Woy should stay, I said I was racking my brains.

So I've no idea what point you are making other than probably still smarting from being pulled up for the tripe you were writing the other night.

England's dismal displays in successive tournaments have their roots deeply set in all manner of various issues. It's a complex phenomenon. Hodgson has compounded this by essentially being one of the worst managers across a string of failures. He definitely should have gone after the World Cup.

What we do now is subject, again, to massive speculation. What is clear is that simply replacing the manager without looking at the bigger picture will result in failure once more.

 

Tripe - no one can take anything you say seriously ever again at least I'm consistent not trying to persuade everyone I'm the oracle of football and that I'd be campaigning for the Hodgsons head since the World Cup when in actual fact I'd actually said "I'd keep him" - you're a fraud - you've been exposed - I call for a full audit into your posts since 2011 to see how many other things you've called "bang on"

 

I'm off to the pub, the sun is shining, the Perroni is waiting, might watch a bit of the tennis. thank you so much for today, I was really dreading having to amuse myself while this soding thing downloads but....yeah, too funny .

[Guest Col city fan]

Tripe - no one can take anything you say seriously ever again at least I'm consistent not trying to persuade everyone I'm the oracle of football and that I'd be campaigning for the Hodgsons head since the World Cup when in actual fact I'd actually said "I'd keep him" - you're a fraud - you've been exposed - I call for a full audit into your posts since 2011 to see how many other things you've called "bang on"

I'm off to the pub, the sun is shining, the Perroni is waiting, might watch a bit of the tennis. thank you so much for today, I was really dreading having to amuse myself while this soding thing downloads but....yeah, too funny .

You clearly are still smarting... I think you are used to getting your own way, others kissing yer bum and don't like it when I and others don't. As I said, put the thread up..lets read it... I suggest it's also almost sad that you felt compelled to go back TWO YEARS to try to prove a point. That tells me I'd touched a rather big nerve.

Have a stiff drink, you clearly need it.

NB: Christ...two years! Have you NOTHING better to do than that? Unbelievable.

[Manwell Pablo]

No col! Absolutely nothing better to do, been a rather large **** up cutting along story short had extract hundreds of thousands of rows before I could do ought else. Read all sorts today going back to euro 2012 interesting reading!

You have clearly won though! Congrats, on the bright side this might mean you've final heard the last of lee cattermole.

Great reactions to the signature coming in from all corners of foxestalk. Much love to you all.

[Guest Col city fan]

No col! Absolutely nothing better to do, been a rather large **** up cutting along story short had extract hundreds of thousands of rows before I could do ought else. Read all sorts today going back to euro 2012 interesting reading!

You have clearly won though! Congrats, on the bright side this might mean you've final heard the last of lee cattermole.

Great reactions to the signature coming in from all corners of foxestalk. Much love to you all.

As I said, pull the thread up if you need to. Let people make up their own minds, rather than relying on the bits you've pulled out to fulfill your own agenda. Based on someone confronting you.

You take this forum (and having to 'win') too seriously. Pyschoanalytically, you'd be a fascinating subject.

Enjoy the drink.

[Dan]

Seeing what I've put in there... as I expected, there was no obvious alternative at the time so I wasn't as much in favour of getting rid although in hindsight he should without a doubt have gone. There's no obvious alternative now but I think it's gotten that bad that it's definitely better the devil you don't know. Not that it's even a debate as he walked anyway.