Hart for Kasper

[Arriba Los Zorros]

On 18/12/2016 at 02:32, Red Squirrel said:

We have all seen Kasper mature into one of the best keepers in the world over the last 2 years.

He brings more to the team with his commitment and maturity ( I also think his distribution is generally excellent - you've just had a chance to see Ron Robert !!

He appreciates the fans and is a great ambassador for the club

This is the type of player we need to hold onto to, build on last year and develop into a club who can regularly compete in the higher reaches of the league and for Cups and to play in Europe again

 

If he were ever to be attracted elsewhere there would have to be a lot of wonga coming in this direction with Joe Hart if that were to happen

He is in the form of his life, he's irreplaceable and he's at our club !!!!!!

Agreed, Kasper is so ridiculously underrated by our fans, fans of any other club say how good he is and they are right. He's verging on world class now. He's also a leader of men as others have said. I wouldn't swap him for Joe Hart given the opportunity. And if Kasper does stay, Hart won't come here to be a number 2

[norwichfox]

We've got a German keeper Liverpool can have......will suit Klopp of the Kop

[breadandcheese]

10 hours ago, the fox said:

He is too limited. Good shot blocker/ball distributer but have some major problems. Last year he seemed to struggle with corners and crosses and set pieces ( WBA freekick goal) and generally not the flashy keeper so that could be a factor

 

Ahmm. Courtois and  Butland are better and this season's heaton looks like a proper keeper. But like you said, it is your opinion.

I genuinely think we underrate Schmeichel because he plays for us and it's taken him a long time to get to the level he has. He was quickly dropped in favour of Joe Hart at Man City when breaking through and had to take a journeyman approach playing for a good few years in the football league before he made his way to the top. I agree he has shortcomings but then virtually every keeper does.  However, you can quite comfortably say that Kasper will win us 10 points a season, which for me is key to the quality of the keeper.  It says a lot that big clubs are sniffing as he has become so consistent over the past two years.  Without him, we look far weaker at the back.

 

Butland isn't better than Schmeichel.  You're basing that solely on potential, as a young keeper.  Same as Heaton.

Courtois is debatable, but he can also be inconsistent (which is no surprise as he is also young).  Don't forget this time last year questions were being asked of him.  Potentialwise, Courtois has more in the locker, but at the moment I'd rather have Shcmeichel in my team.

 

 

[norwichfox]

Anyone been following the progress of our other Danish Keeper? I'm not overly imporessed by who is left as a first choice keeper if Kasper moved on late in the transfer window without us signing a replacement for him. HE would be a massive loss for us, I'd rather we kept him than Vardy, Mahrez of Drinkwater (but I don't want us to lose any just yet, there's unfinished business in the CL)

 

http://www.lcfc.com/news/article/daniel-iversen-joins-leicester-city-2926129.aspx

[Old Fox]

2 hours ago, breadandcheese said:

I genuinely think we underrate Schmeichel because he plays for us and it's taken him a long time to get to the level he has. He was quickly dropped in favour of Joe Hart at Man City when breaking through and had to take a journeyman approach playing for a good few years in the football league before he made his way to the top. I agree he has shortcomings but then virtually every keeper does.  However, you can quite comfortably say that Kasper will win us 10 points a season, which for me is key to the quality of the keeper.  It says a lot that big clubs are sniffing as he has become so consistent over the past two years.  Without him, we look far weaker at the back.

 

Butland isn't better than Schmeichel.  You're basing that solely on potential, as a young keeper.  Same as Heaton.

Courtois is debatable, but he can also be inconsistent (which is no surprise as he is also young).  Don't forget this time last year questions were being asked of him.  Potentialwise, Courtois has more in the locker, but at the moment I'd rather have Shcmeichel in my team.

 

 

Absolutely spot on.....some of our fans would not know a world class player if it hit them between the eyes ....too much FM and FIFA!!!

 

We are really lucky at the moment we have some of the most talented players our club has ever had at one time.....Kasper is world class - a leader, brave, committed, great communicator are attributes alongside his base keeping which few players have. He is miles ahead of Butland, Forster, Courtois.....only De Gea and Lloris are at his level and actually Kasper has a really prominent role and standing within the club.

 

As I said repeatedly pre-season and subsequently RRZ is not a patch on him and Kasper was worth the point we gained on Saturday and i believe we would 4 or 5 points more had he been fit all season.

 

IF he wanted to go then I am sure we would want top dollar and I would not sell him for less than £35m to £40m and only then would Hart be considered ....Top Keepers are hard to find and LCFC has been good for him and us good to him so hopefully he can see the potential growth that the club could have....however, like Drinky and Mahrez they are good enough to be in trophy winning teams and play in European competitions which they will all have experienced and want more off the back of this season.....

[Babylon]

14 hours ago, the fox said:

Any one that thinks Kasper is better then hart is kidding himself. The only thing that I could say Kasper is better at is ball distribution. I would have hart over Kasper any day of the week. And for the people talking about leadership, do you think hart is not a better leader??? Hart was a great leader for a better club with better players (world class players). And He had no problem going on BIG NAME players in the NT. He is just better and I would welcome this move.

Compare how many clangers Hart has made with how many Kasper has. What stands the best apart is consistency and Hart does not have that, where Kasper does.

[MPH]

15 hours ago, the fox said:

Any one that thinks Kasper is better then hart is kidding himself. The only thing that I could say Kasper is better at is ball distribution. I would have hart over Kasper any day of the week. And for the people talking about leadership, do you think hart is not a better leader??? Hart was a great leader for a better club with better players (world class players). And He had no problem going on BIG NAME players in the NT. He is just better and I would welcome this move.

 

 

Yes... Hart is so much better he was shipped out to Torino and incidentally conceded 5 goals at the weekend..

 

 

Now im not saying Kasper is tons better, but i do think some people think someone must be brilliant to play for England.. I just think the standard of British keepers is fairly low right now and he's the best of an okay bunch...

[Simo86]

29 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

Yes... Hart is so much better he was shipped out to Torino and incidentally conceded 5 goals at the weekend..

 

 

Now im not saying Kasper is tons better, but i do think some people think someone must be brilliant to play for England.. I just think the standard of British keepers is fairly low right now and he's the best of an okay bunch...

I agree that Hart is no better than Kasper...but I'd say if all of England's keepers were fit we'd have some good keepers missing out from international selection. In my opinion Hart, Butland, Pickford, Forster & Heaton are a very talented bunch of goalkeepers, all with time on their side to improve.

[MPH]

5 minutes ago, Simo86 said:

I agree that Hart is no better than Kasper...but I'd say if all of England's keepers were fit we'd have some good keepers missing out from international selection. In my opinion Hart, Butland, Pickford, Forster & Heaton are a very talented bunch of goalkeepers, all with time on their side to improve.

I agree that most of them have time to improve  and probably will, but its a law of averages that the best players end up playing for the best clubs. And thats part of the reason why we have this thread - the supposed interest in Kasper. But look at all the other keepers and who they play for.. Granted, Hart played many games for Man City, but he's now been shipped out to a very average Italian side...

 

 

[Simo86]

13 minutes ago, MPH said:

I agree that most of them have time to improve  and probably will, but its a law of averages that the best players end up playing for the best clubs. And thats part of the reason why we have this thread - the supposed interest in Kasper. But look at all the other keepers and who they play for.. Granted, Hart played many games for Man City, but he's now been shipped out to a very average Italian side...

 

 

Yes of course, but you can argue that Hart should still be Man City's number 1 and I'd hazard a guess that most of their fans would think the same. 

 

On a side note I'd say Pickford and Butland will go on to play for bigger and better teams. Personally before his injury I'd have said Butland was England's best keeper at the time, he has plenty of time to back to that form and surpass it.

[Guest the fox]

5 hours ago, breadandcheese said:

I genuinely think we underrate Schmeichel because he plays for us and it's taken him a long time to get to the level he has. He was quickly dropped in favour of Joe Hart at Man City when breaking through and had to take a journeyman approach playing for a good few years in the football league before he made his way to the top. I agree he has shortcomings but then virtually every keeper does.  However, you can quite comfortably say that Kasper will win us 10 points a season, which for me is key to the quality of the keeper.  It says a lot that big clubs are sniffing as he has become so consistent over the past two years.  Without him, we look far weaker at the back.

 

Butland isn't better than Schmeichel.  You're basing that solely on potential, as a young keeper.  Same as Heaton.

Courtois is debatable, but he can also be inconsistent (which is no surprise as he is also young).  Don't forget this time last year questions were being asked of him.  Potentialwise, Courtois has more in the locker, but at the moment I'd rather have Shcmeichel in my team.

 

 

1-Kasper can at least get us 12 points. He is more then a good keeper. And I think he has what it takes to go to the next level. But the thing is, people seem to overrate him a bit (here).they don't judge you when you are in your comfort zone (playing with big old schools CBs). It is the margin of error that determines your value( how well you can handle the advanced defensive Line). His weaknesses can be glaring in a team with weak defenders( in the air). People will just cross at him and expect a fumble. Just remembere de gea in his first year. Teams bombed him from 30-40 yards because he fumbled the ball a lot. So, Kasper needs to work on the flaws in his game because keepers's ability to distribute the ball is very valuable in the modern era.

 

-Or the fact that he was a beast in the 2015/2016 season and was the starter for the English NT before he got injured. And yes, the fact that he is a 23 year old 6'5" keeper with already one great season is very mouthwatering.

[Guest the fox]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Compare how many clangers Hart has made with how many Kasper has. What stands the best apart is consistency and Hart does not have that, where Kasper does.

Compare how many seasons hart has in the high level against high level opponents with how many Kasper has. It is easy to point out mistakes when you are under the limelight for a long time

[Guest the fox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

Yes... Hart is so much better he was shipped out to Torino and incidentally conceded 5 goals at the weekend..

 

 

Now im not saying Kasper is tons better, but i do think some people think someone must be brilliant to play for England.. I just think the standard of British keepers is fairly low right now and he's the best of an okay bunch...

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Did you know that the reason hart was shipped out is because he doesn't have the ball distribution that pep need from his keeper. That's all it is.

[Babylon]

11 minutes ago, the fox said:

Compare how many seasons hart has in the high level against high level opponents with how many Kasper has. It is easy to point out mistakes when you are under the limelight for a long time

Clangers are clangers, doesn't matter what league you are in or what the "limelight" is. I've watched Kasper in most of his 209 games and mistakes are as rare as hens teeth.

 

Whilst he's capable of pulling off exceptional saves, you cannot deny he doesn't let in some silly goals or cause himself some big problems with flaps etc. Take a look at his blooper reels on youtube, some of them are horrific and have nothing to do with the level he's at. Here's a couple.

 

 

[Simo86]

10 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Clangers are clangers, doesn't matter what league you are in or what the "limelight" is. I've watched Kasper in most of his 209 games and mistakes are as rare as hens teeth.

 

Whilst he's capable of pulling off exceptional saves, you cannot deny he doesn't let in some silly goals or cause himself some big problems with flaps etc. Take a look at his blooper reels on youtube, some of them are horrific and have nothing to do with the level he's at. Here's a couple.

 

Even Manuel Neuer, who some regard as the best in the world drops clangers though....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC1HLfNEUYE

 

For the record I'd rather Kasper stay, but as many others have said Hart would be a very good replacement if he were to move on.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, the fox said:

Did you know that the reason hart was shipped out is because he doesn't have the ball distribution that pep need from his keeper. That's all it is.

 

 

you may well be right.

 

 

 

But why didnt a bigger team come in for him?

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Clangers are clangers, doesn't matter what league you are in or what the "limelight" is. I've watched Kasper in most of his 209 games and mistakes are as rare as hens teeth.

 

Whilst he's capable of pulling off exceptional saves, you cannot deny he doesn't let in some silly goals or cause himself some big problems with flaps etc. Take a look at his blooper reels on youtube, some of them are horrific and have nothing to do with the level he's at. Here's a couple.

 

 

 

 

To be fair to Hart, i think he has saved more shots that some keepers couldn't make that more than make up for the clangers..

[Guest the fox]

25 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

you may well be right.

 

 

 

But why didnt a bigger team come in for him?

He was going to Everton and then the deal suddenly fell off. There are no big teams in England in need of a keeper ( pool needed one. But they got a young keeper instead (karius) ). And he probably wanted to try new things in a new league. Who knows?. Torino is a very respectful team in the calcio.

[MPH]

20 minutes ago, the fox said:

He was going to Everton and then the deal suddenly fell off. There are no big teams in England in need of a keeper ( pool needed one. But they got a young keeper instead (karius) ). And he probably wanted to try new things in a new league. Who knows?. Torino is a very respectful team in the calcio.

I think they only got promoted about 5 years ago didnt they?

 

And i dont think they have in the top 8 i think always hovered around the mid table...

 

 

And i think if a player is good enough, a team makes space for them. Cant imagine Man city or Chelsea turning down Messi because they already have a decent squad...

[Guest the fox]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

I think they only got promoted about 5 years ago didnt they?

 

And i dont think they have in the top 8 i think always hovered around the mid table...

 

 

And i think if a player is good enough, a team makes space for them. Cant imagine Man city or Chelsea turning down Messi because they already have a decent squad...

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Torino is a football club from Turin, Italy. Established in 1906 by former Juventus member Alfredo Dick and the Swiss businessman Hans Schoenbrod the team started competing in the Italian championship in the 1920s and claimed its first title in the season 1927/1928. After that remarkable victory five more Scudetto titles followed and the team was called in the country ‘Il Grande Torino’ (i.e. the Great Torino) and was perceived as the best team in Italy. The Torino of that period set records that still remain unbeaten in Serie A such as 4 consecutive seasons without defeat at home or greatest ever home win 10-0 over Alessandria. The great era abruptly ended on 4 May 1949 as the plane carrying the team collided with a mountain and the legendary squad lost all players but one.

During the following three decades Torino managed to revive and in the season 1975/1976 it claimed the Italian title once more, though the 1980s and 1990s saw the team rotating between Seria A and Seria B.

The last major trophies are the1993 Coppa Italia and the 1991 Mitropa Cup. In the 1991/1992 UEFA Cup campaign Torino reached the final but was defeated in the ultimate match by Ajax.

In the season 2004/2005 Torino received promotion to the top tier but the club faced financial problems and was dissolved. The team was rebuilt the following year and gradually climbed to the highest level of Italian football receiving promotion to the top tier after the season 2011/2012."

They have a decent history and faced a lot a road bumps on their way

 

 

2- but hart is not the best player in the world and probably the best football player ever. Hart is not even top 10 in the world so, teams like Chelsea and united have better keepers and he is too good to be a sub

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, the fox said:

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Torino is a football club from Turin, Italy. Established in 1906 by former Juventus member Alfredo Dick and the Swiss businessman Hans Schoenbrod the team started competing in the Italian championship in the 1920s and claimed its first title in the season 1927/1928. After that remarkable victory five more Scudetto titles followed and the team was called in the country ‘Il Grande Torino’ (i.e. the Great Torino) and was perceived as the best team in Italy. The Torino of that period set records that still remain unbeaten in Serie A such as 4 consecutive seasons without defeat at home or greatest ever home win 10-0 over Alessandria. The great era abruptly ended on 4 May 1949 as the plane carrying the team collided with a mountain and the legendary squad lost all players but one.

During the following three decades Torino managed to revive and in the season 1975/1976 it claimed the Italian title once more, though the 1980s and 1990s saw the team rotating between Seria A and Seria B.

The last major trophies are the1993 Coppa Italia and the 1991 Mitropa Cup. In the 1991/1992 UEFA Cup campaign Torino reached the final but was defeated in the ultimate match by Ajax.

In the season 2004/2005 Torino received promotion to the top tier but the club faced financial problems and was dissolved. The team was rebuilt the following year and gradually climbed to the highest level of Italian football receiving promotion to the top tier after the season 2011/2012."

They have a decent history and faced a lot a road bumps on their way

 

 

2- but hart is not the best player in the world and probably the best football player ever. Hart is not even top 10 in the world so, teams like Chelsea and united have better keepers and he is too good to be a sub

 

 

1. You cant really claim history as a reason why someone would want to sign for a club. It surely has to be because its worth it to them and will enhance their career?

 

2. My point was  simple- if a player is good enough, teams will make room for them. 

[Guest the fox]

10 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

1. You cant really claim history as a reason why someone would want to sign for a club. It surely has to be because its worth it to them and will enhance their career?

 

2. My point was  simple- if a player is good enough, teams will make room for them. 

1- history is a big factor. And a lot of superstars choose a team because of their history, A LOT!!

2. No big team will make room for a "good enough" player. Only superstars get that treatment.

[MPH]

10 minutes ago, the fox said:

1- history is a big factor. And a lot of superstars choose a team because of their history, A LOT!!

2. No big team will make room for a "good enough" player. Only superstars get that treatment.

1. History means nothing if you're not in Europe or  high up enough in the league

2. Teams make room for someone who improves the team.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Joe Hart is the best keeper in England, and goalkeepers have a longer playing ability than outfield players.

 

Kasper is good, but I'd rather have Joe Hart.

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Joe Hart is the best keeper in England, and goalkeepers have a longer playing ability than outfield players.

 

Kasper is good, but I'd rather have Joe Hart.

 

 

Not surprised.