How it could have been

[accessory]

10 minutes ago, Sir Shep said:

I'm just trying to think, who was our last signing (that's still here) that made us think "wow, we've found a good one here"? Kante is the obvious one but he soon buggered off!! I'm just wondering as a lot of us are a bit perplexed about the new defender (whose name I can't even spell without checking!) that we can't help but right him off. 

Ndidi after the Everton cup game?

[Sir Shep]

3 minutes ago, accessory said:

Ndidi after the Everton cup game?

Jury's still out for me, based on the fact he's not played many games yet. I'm sure he'll be up there, maybe a hat trick against Man U may convince me on Sunday. 

[Ashley]

Schmeichel

? Keane Gibson Chilwell

Mahrez Drinkwater Mendy Gray

Vardy Slimani 

 

Schmeichel

? Keane Gibson Chilwell

Ndidi

Drinkwater Mendy

Mahrez Slimani Gray

 

Probably wishful thinking but maybe with different people in charge.

[Grewks]

West Brom is a club the premier league champions should be looking to learn from....Sad, but true.

 

 

Solid signings for a few years now.

 

Fletcher and Evans type signings would have been great for us.

Livermore and Chadli would have been solid signings aswell.

 

 

 

[SecretPro]

27 minutes ago, accessory said:

Palace a better prospect than us?  

 

Don't see them in the Champions League - or even the FA Cup..

They will be In the Prem next season 

[Ashley]

Just now, Grewks said:

West Brom is a club the premier league champions should be looking to learn from....Sad, but true.

 

 

Solid signings for a few years now.

 

Fletcher and Evans type signings would have been great for us.

Livermore and Chadli would have been solid signings aswell.

 

 

 

 

Premier League signings is a myth. Mahrez, Vardy how many others have we signed who have done well without the experience? 

[Dan]

Premier League experience I agree is a myth, it's a myth that any club in this league selling a player should emphasise because that's all it is - an excuse to bump the price up.

 

I didn't see Kante needing any experience. If you're good enough it's irrelevant.

 

We just haven't bought very good players. Nor have we bought players that complement any kind of system - not that we have one.

[Thracian]

5 hours ago, chris_lcfc_85 said:

Ranieri's transfer dealings really have been poor. This is one of the main reasons we are where we are now and the last window has summed it up for me

Do we actually know who selects intended football signings? 

[accessory]

55 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

They will be In the Prem next season 

That's highly debatable..  Palace have been poor for the last year and beyond..

[Thracian]

38 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Premier League experience I agree is a myth, it's a myth that any club in this league selling a player should emphasise because that's all it is - an excuse to bump the price up.

 

I didn't see Kante needing any experience. If you're good enough it's irrelevant.

 

We just haven't bought very good players. Nor have we bought players that complement any kind of system - not that we have one.

So what is the process for deciding on a potential recruit?

 

I ask because some of our signings seem to beyond logic. I entirely understand that some signings will take time to adjust to Premiership standards but some of them clearly never will.

 

So who, and why, and over what time scale, are they chosen?

 

And who, if anyone, on our staff, gets a cut - and what cut - from incoming/outgoing transfers?

 

Because I can't understand full-time professional scouts/managers/coaches getting it wrong so often as we've done these last six months and more.

 

I  don't want to be unkind but take Hernandez. Stylish guy i admit but far too slow to be a Premiership footballer unless he were so brilliant in some other way it made up for it - and he wasn't at least from anything I saw.

 

He's the sort you'd look at once or twice and reject because his limitations outweigh his strengths at the level we're recruiting for.

 

And what about Musa? Quick and skillful no question. But so lightweight and easily intimidated in The Premiership. Okay we could spend a few months bulking and toughening him up - but what's with putting him in the first team?

 

When has he remotely looked liked first team quality apart from in some friendly in the US? Honestly, nothing against the guy but what's the thinking? No wonder the club are so touchy about talking to the press about anything that's not pre-agreed. 

 

These are just examples chosen at random. There are many more I'd love to talk about because their turning up here seemed just as strange. What's going on?                     

[Dan]

6 hours ago, Thracian said:

So what is the process for deciding on a potential recruit?

 

I ask because some of our signings seem to beyond logic. I entirely understand that some signings will take time to adjust to Premiership standards but some of them clearly never will.

 

So who, and why, and over what time scale, are they chosen?

 

And who, if anyone, on our staff, gets a cut - and what cut - from incoming/outgoing transfers?

 

Because I can't understand full-time professional scouts/managers/coaches getting it wrong so often as we've done these last six months and more.

 

I  don't want to be unkind but take Hernandez. Stylish guy i admit but far too slow to be a Premiership footballer unless he were so brilliant in some other way it made up for it - and he wasn't at least from anything I saw.

 

He's the sort you'd look at once or twice and reject because his limitations outweigh his strengths at the level we're recruiting for.

 

And what about Musa? Quick and skillful no question. But so lightweight and easily intimidated in The Premiership. Okay we could spend a few months bulking and toughening him up - but what's with putting him in the first team?

 

When has he remotely looked liked first team quality apart from in some friendly in the US? Honestly, nothing against the guy but what's the thinking? No wonder the club are so touchy about talking to the press about anything that's not pre-agreed. 

 

These are just examples chosen at random. There are many more I'd love to talk about because their turning up here seemed just as strange. What's going on?                     

Right, here goes...

 

- Have a system in place that you know you want to play and sign players that supplement that system. Obviously you can have more than one system, but at least have a clear plan for any player who comes in. I don't actually believe a lot of what we've signed are complete garbage - Slimani bagged for fun, Mendy came with a high reputation from a league that has produced as many players as any league in Europe that go on to play for top tier sides. You aren't going to see the best of them if you aren't playing to their strengths.

 

- Sign players who supplement your dressing room. The right character for the dressing room. I think this gets well underplayed. Two players spring to mind here and they both involve the same two clubs. Albrighton. Career completely stagnant at a club with obvious internal issues, gets his move away and wins the league as a near ever-present. Jordan Veretout. Remember him? The bloke who picked Villa over us last summer. I don't buy that Veretout is a rubbish player, he was also highly rated by respected journalists in France, but what good's it going to be joining a club who have such a poisonous culture about them? Would any of our players have performed for Villa last year? Nowhere near to the level they did for us. Yet I think if Veretout had joined Leicester he'd have gone on to be a success in this country as we had the right culture about us. I stress "had", we're going Villa's way.

 

- Obviously they have to have the talent. No point signing rubbish. Talent really isn't that hard to spot. A lot of talented players fail because of the other two points, in my eyes anyway.

 

- Players with the right attitude. Similar to the second point but someone who is committed to improving his own game and his team.

 

I emphasise the top point again though. The players we've signed have been disappointing, but what exactly have we done for them? They don't fit together in any way. Ndidi will go exactly the same way, another highly rated talent who is being held back by our appalling tactics and lack of system. While they have been poor I don't think we've exactly helped them either, yet before we used to do that.

 

Playing in the Premier League previously isn't a bad thing and there are some merits to it, but not enough to justify the utterly absurd premium you have to pay as a result of that. If the players have the right character, they'll adapt in no time.

 

This Premier League experience myth for me is a symptom of the mentality of many in this country - we look backwards rather than forwards.

 

That's my main criteria anyway.

[Thracian]

7 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Right, here goes...

 

- Have a system in place that you know you want to play and sign players that supplement that system. Obviously you can have more than one system, but at least have a clear plan for any player who comes in. I don't actually believe a lot of what we've signed are complete garbage - Slimani bagged for fun, Mendy came with a high reputation from a league that has produced as many players as any league in Europe that go on to play for top tier sides. You aren't going to see the best of them if you aren't playing to their strengths.

 

- Sign players who supplement your dressing room. The right character for the dressing room. I think this gets well underplayed. Two players spring to mind here and they both involve the same two clubs. Albrighton. Career completely stagnant at a club with obvious internal issues, gets his move away and wins the league as a near ever-present. Jordan Veretout. Remember him? The bloke who picked Villa over us last summer. I don't buy that Veretout is a rubbish player, he was also highly rated by respected journalists in France, but what good's it going to be joining a club who have such a poisonous culture about them? Would any of our players have performed for Villa last year? Nowhere near to the level they did for us. Yet I think if Veretout had joined Leicester he'd have gone on to be a success in this country as we had the right culture about us. I stress "had", we're going Villa's way.

 

- Obviously they have to have the talent. No point signing rubbish. Talent really isn't that hard to spot. A lot of talented players fail because of the other two points, in my eyes anyway.

 

- Players with the right attitude. Similar to the second point but someone who is committed to improving his own game and his team.

 

I emphasise the top point again though. The players we've signed have been disappointing, but what exactly have we done for them? They don't fit together in any way. Ndidi will go exactly the same way, another highly rated talent who is being held back by our appalling tactics and lack of system. While they have been poor I don't think we've exactly helped them either, yet before we used to do that.

 

Playing in the Premier League previously isn't a bad thing and there are some merits to it, but not enough to justify the utterly absurd premium you have to pay as a result of that. If the players have the right character, they'll adapt in no time.

 

This Premier League experience myth for me is a symptom of the mentality of many in this country - we look backwards rather than forwards.

 

That's my main criteria anyway.

Many thanks for that Dan. You always make a lot of sense.  

[Max Wall]

15 hours ago, accessory said:

16 hours ago, SecretPro said:

They will be In the Prem next season 

 

15 hours ago, accessory said:

That's highly debatable..  Palace have been poor for the last year and beyond..

It is highly debatable but the point I was alluding too was that Palace look a more backable team to avoid relegation than us. We're in absolute freefall. We can't win (often), can't keep the ball, can't score (often) and can't defend (ever). Whether it's the players, Ranieri, the Club or the tea lady to blame, that's the reality. If you handed me a free 500 quid bet now, my heart would say, stick it on City, go along for the ride. If I had a big bill that month, my head would say, don't be a mug, don't ignore the evidence, stick it on Palace.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

 

[STUHILL]

21 hours ago, Reg Vardy said:

Schmeichel

Simpson Sakho Fonte Brady

Snodgrass Drinkwater Amartey Mahrez

Ramirez Vardy

 

All available, all gone elsewhere. 

-----------Schmeichel

Jenkinson Sakho Fonte Brady

---------N'didi Mendy

Mahrez Snodgrass Gray

------------Slimani

[Manwell Pablo]

15 hours ago, accessory said:

That's highly debatable..  Palace have been poor for the last year and beyond..

 

For those of you interested absloutley everything this bloke says normally turns out to be utterly wrong. So lump on Palace to survive. 

[foxy boxing]

we can't dwell on the what if's or how it could have been but focus on the hear and now,yes we could have done better in the transfer market but it is what it is now and we have to make the best of it pull our sleeves up and try to do our best for the rest of the season and then in the summer we can evaluate the situation