Johnthefoxrayner Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 I see that Derby have sacked the SM and Chris Powell has also been released. I would like to see Powell back at the the city. I wonder if the owners are looking at bringing Powell in as Shakes no 2, has anyone else have any thoughts on this. Apologies if Powell has already been mentioned regarding a return to the Foxes
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Thread already posted about coaching staff... see the new coaching staff thread.
Johnthefoxrayner Posted 13 March 2017 Author Posted 13 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thread already posted about coaching staff... see the new coaching staff thread. Sorry.
Guest Lako42 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Why does Powell get sacked or released from every single job? Top assistants are kept on if the club thinks they are up to the job. Why is he held in such high regard?
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 hours ago, Lako42 said: Why does Powell get sacked or released from every single job? Top assistants are kept on if the club thinks they are up to the job. Why is he held in such high regard? Exactly what I think.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 hours ago, Lako42 said: Why does Powell get sacked or released from every single job? Top assistants are kept on if the club thinks they are up to the job. Why is he held in such high regard? Being an average / poor manager doesn't make you a poor coach firstly. Secondly, he wasn't sacked from here. Most of the time coaches aren't kept on they are released along with the manager as the new person will want their own people. What we have done with Shaky is definitely not the norm. Certainly not unheard of, but definitely not the norm. I could also turn that point around and say that Derby were more than happy to keep him on when they sacked Pearson. Thirdly, I think it's safe to say Mel Morris is a clueless chump when it comes to football. So any decision he makes can hardly be held up as proof of anything. Lastly, the decision is CS's... if he thinks he needs more staff and he thinks CP is up to it then it's a no brainer.
Guest MattP Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 hours ago, Lako42 said: Why does Powell get sacked or released from every single job? Top assistants are kept on if the club thinks they are up to the job. Why is he held in such high regard? No idea, he did an average job at Charlton and then a joke of one at Huddesfield.
MPH Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 I think this is one of the reasons i am nervous about shakey taking the job beyond the end of the season - Someone can be a great coach but that doesn't make them a great manager...
Kitchandro Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Used to think he was alright until he started gobbing off about how football is prejudiced against him because he's black. This is a bloke who kept getting jobs and being shit at them.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 28 minutes ago, Babylon said: Being an average / poor manager doesn't make you a poor coach firstly. Secondly, he wasn't sacked from here. Most of the time coaches aren't kept on they are released along with the manager as the new person will want their own people. What we have done with Shaky is definitely not the norm. Certainly not unheard of, but definitely not the norm. I could also turn that point around and say that Derby were more than happy to keep him on when they sacked Pearson. Thirdly, I think it's safe to say Mel Morris is a clueless chump when it comes to football. So any decision he makes can hardly be held up as proof of anything. Lastly, the decision is CS's... if he thinks he needs more staff and he thinks CP is up to it then it's a no brainer. Good coaches are usually kept on by the club regardless of manager change. Especially at big clubs. Steve Clarke was at Chelsea for years, as was Brendan Rodgers. Holland has been there for years too. Pat Rice was at Arsenal for years. Paisley and Fagan, two of Liverpool's best ever managers (and Paisley being one of the greatest managers ever), were at the club for years as coaches. Chris Hughton was at Tottenham for years, in fact he must have been there under about 7 different managers. They'll be loads more examples but I can't think of any more good coaches at the minute. The club told Ranieri he had to keep Shakespeare and Walsh. That speaks volumes.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 3 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Good coaches are usually kept on by the club regardless of manager change. Especially at big clubs. Steve Clarke was at Chelsea for years, as was Brendan Rodgers. Holland has been there for years too. Pat Rice was at Arsenal for years. Paisley and Fagan, two of Liverpool's best ever managers (and Paisley being one of the greatest managers ever), were at the club for years as coaches. Chris Hughton was at Tottenham for years, in fact he must have been there under about 7 different managers. The club told Ranieri he had to keep Shakespeare and Walsh. That speaks volumes. Would Pearson have kept him here if he didn't think he was up to it? Would he have got managers jobs if people hadn't heard that we was a decent coach? You can speculate both ways. Assistant mangers being removed with the manager happens up and down the country week in week out. People like Sammy Lee are well respected in the game and he's gone with the manager numerous times. You mention Steve Clarke... a man sacked by Villa when Steve Bruce took over, confirming my point exactly.
Jobyfox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 I'm not really sure about Chris Powell. It always seems to me that 90% of the reason people hold him in such high esteem is because he was a good professional when he was playing and a nice bloke. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a great Assistant Manager.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Shakey is regarded as a top bloke for being the voice of reason between the manager and the players, I do think we need someone to occupy this role now that shakey is the manager. He might find himself drifting more and more from the players as he has to make more controversial decisions. Powell in my mind could take on shakeys old role imo.
Lloydwasmylife Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 hours ago, Jobyfox said: I'm not really sure about Chris Powell. It always seems to me that 90% of the reason people hold him in such high esteem is because he was a good professional when he was playing and a nice bloke. Not unlike a certain Italian we all know
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Shakey is regarded as a top bloke for being the voice of reason between the manager and the players, I do think we need someone to occupy this role now that shakey is the manager. He might find himself drifting more and more from the players as he has to make more controversial decisions. Powell in my mind could take on shakeys old role imo. Based on inside knowledge? Shakey needs to carry on doing what he's doing/ done and that's getting the best out of group of players he knows well and visa versa. Let someone else do all of the peripheral stuff that occupies a manager.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 24 minutes ago, Bob Hazels shorts said: Based on inside knowledge? Shakey needs to carry on doing what he's doing/ done and that's getting the best out of group of players he knows well and visa versa. Let someone else do all of the peripheral stuff that occupies a manager. I wish, just someone who in my opinion would fit the role well. He seems to still have a good relationship with Leicester players, hugging Kingy and others in the tunnel cam video from the derby game.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 4 hours ago, Babylon said: Would Pearson have kept him here if he didn't think he was up to it? Would he have got managers jobs if people hadn't heard that we was a decent coach? You can speculate both ways. Assistant mangers being removed with the manager happens up and down the country week in week out. People like Sammy Lee are well respected in the game and he's gone with the manager numerous times. You mention Steve Clarke... a man sacked by Villa when Steve Bruce took over, confirming my point exactly. Can't answer that but Pearson did take four (or was it five?) staff to Hull - not Powell though. Assistant managers are removed, I'm not doubting that, but you said us keeping Shakespeare "is not the norm" which is wrong. Good coaches are kept by clubs - you mention Sammy Lee a well respect coach yes, but he served at Bolton under different managers.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 14 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Can't answer that but Pearson did take four (or was it five?) staff to Hull - not Powell though. Assistant managers are removed, I'm not doubting that, but you said us keeping Shakespeare "is not the norm" which is wrong. Good coaches are kept by clubs - you mention Sammy Lee a well respect coach yes, but he served at Bolton under different managers. But we gave him a new 3 year contract... apparently that proves he's a good coach as we wanted to keep him. So it's normal for assistant managers to go... you do realise he was assistant manager at Derby don't you? He's not once been removed or let go as just a coach.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 11 minutes ago, Babylon said: But we gave him a new 3 year contract... apparently that proves he's a good coach as we wanted to keep him. So it's normal for assistant managers to go... you do realise he was assistant manager at Derby don't you? He's not once been removed or let go as just a coach. Yeah true. I just find don't know why people brought him up considering he hasn't really achieved anything at Championship level, never mind the top flight, as a manager (enhance manager there). I don't know why he is held in high regard here. That's all.
Babylon Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 13 hours ago, Fox92 said: Yeah true. I just find don't know why people brought him up considering he hasn't really achieved anything at Championship level, never mind the top flight, as a manager (enhance manager there). I don't know why he is held in high regard here. That's all. I'd imagine it's because we heard a lot of good stuff about him when he was here and he was well liked by people. I've not actually seen many people raving about him, just saying it was good timing if we think we need some new bodies until the end of the season.
5waller5 Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 14 hours ago, Fox92 said: Can't answer that but Pearson did take four (or was it five?) staff to Hull - not Powell though. Assistant managers are removed, I'm not doubting that, but you said us keeping Shakespeare "is not the norm" which is wrong. Good coaches are kept by clubs - you mention Sammy Lee a well respect coach yes, but he served at Bolton under different managers. I suspect that's more to do with his London roots and not wanting to move all the way to Hull. Or that Hull is a dump and he didn't want to live there!
STUHILL Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 I'd bring Powell in as defensive coach and get Kevin Phillips back in to work with the strikers. Both top professionals, who know the club well and could help Shakey and Stowelll out
crsleicester Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 3 hours ago, STUHILL said: I'd bring Powell in as defensive coach and get Kevin Phillips back in to work with the strikers. Both top professionals, who know the club well and could help Shakey and Stowelll out No, Kevin Phillips kept a wispy, nasty 'tache for far too long in his life. His judgement clearly needs addressing.
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