Vacamion Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, Webbo said: That McDonell is a twat. I actually agree that large dividends and bonuses from the utilities are obscene, but repeatedly saying that nationalising rail, water and electricity etc would be cost-neutral is, at the very least, a bit of a stretch.
Guest MattP Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 1 minute ago, Vacamion said: I actually agree that large dividends and bonuses from the utilities are obscene, but repeatedly saying that nationalising rail, water and electricity etc would be cost-neutral is, at the very least, a bit of a stretch. He doesn't even believe it himself, you can tell. Meanwhile "every defeat of the British state is good for all of us" apparantly, the words of the shadow home secretary at one point. Scary as shit this lot are actually going up in the polls. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Vacamion said: I actually agree that large dividends and bonuses from the utilities are obscene, but repeatedly saying that nationalising rail, water and electricity etc would be cost-neutral is, at the very least, a bit of a stretch. Your right nationalising won't be cost neutral because like in the case of East Coast we'll be making a profit and cash will be going straight into the exchequers books.
The Doctor Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, Vacamion said: I actually agree that large dividends and bonuses from the utilities are obscene, but repeatedly saying that nationalising rail, water and electricity etc would be cost-neutral is, at the very least, a bit of a stretch. Railways could be tbf, just don't renew the franchises and the take over is handled without the cost of buying them out. Given the network is subsidised by us anyway, and east coast was returning profits while nationalised - cost effective isn't the issue really, it's being in power long enough for all the franchises to expire.
Guest MattP Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Your right nationalising won't be cost neutral because like in the case of East Coast we'll be making a profit and cash will be going straight into the exchequers books. I thought the idea of nationalisation was that fares will come down instead of profit going to shareholders?
Guest MattP Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 This is horrible watching Farron being questioned on religion again. Abortion this time. Probably handled it as well as he could though.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 I give Boris his due, he's giving this interview as much as he can, but there's something missing... I don't feel he fully believes the direction things are going (and Peston's picked at the thread a couple of times).
Guest Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Absolutely bang on. Hilarious that people on here try to defend the tories when they can't even do it themselves https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/865944495338258433?s=09
Guest Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 50 minutes ago, foxes21 said: we become a target, if we don't have a threat of retaliation like nukes. other countries will want our gold reserves and access to 210 million tonnes of minerals. Lmao. I hope you've written this in jest. A target of who? Hardly any countries have there own nukes. The UK and France are the only countries in Europe.
Webbo Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Lmao. I hope you've written this in jest. A target of who? Hardly any countries have there own nukes. The UK and France are the only countries in Europe. Russian is in Europe.
Finnaldo Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, Webbo said: Russian is in Europe. I think there's more than one Webbo!
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 16 minutes ago, MattP said: I thought the idea of nationalisation was that fares will come down instead of profit going to shareholders? Good point but East Coast cashed one billion quid for the treasury over the course of the nationalisation. Probably enough scope to reduces fees as well as do what McDonnell wants with part of it, pay into pensions or build infrastructure or whatever.
Webbo Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 1 minute ago, Finnaldo said: I think there's more than one Webbo! More than one what?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: More than one what? You wrote Russian instead of Russia
Webbo Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: You wrote Russian instead of Russia Fair point.
Guest Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 30 minutes ago, MattP said: He doesn't even believe it himself, you can tell. Meanwhile "every defeat of the British state is good for all of us" apparantly, the words of the shadow home secretary at one point. Scary as shit this lot are actually going up in the polls. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk Scary as shit that the only reason tory supporters can come up with to vote for them is a bunch of negativity about the opposition.
Guest Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 9 minutes ago, Webbo said: Russian is in Europe. True. My bad. My point holds though. Nobody we'd seriously engage in a fight with has them and neither do most of our friends.
Guest MattP Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 14 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Good point but East Coast cashed one billion quid for the treasury over the course of the nationalisation. Probably enough scope to reduces fees as well as do what McDonnell wants with part of it, pay into pensions or build infrastructure or whatever. It made a loss last year so how on earth are we going to reduce fairs, fund pensions and build infrastructure? 8 minutes ago, toddybad said: Scary as shit that the only reason tory supporters can come up with to vote for them is a bunch of negativity about the opposition. You don't find it at least slightly odd the person who wants to be in charge of our security services once called defeat of the British state a victory for all? You don't think that's at least worth mentioning?
Nick Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 Can we get this thread back on the track of the slaughter of foxes & elephants and child starvation? Christ even if I were a Tory I'd rather vote for a Corbanistic ideological wet dream than a strong and stable reality of a Cruella Deville doing whatever she wants with basic concepts of fairness, equality and a moral compass which only points in the direction of income generation.
Nick Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 I also really do wonder just what this woman/party is capable of in terms of privacy the environment and criminal justice without EU legislation to stand in the way...
Webbo Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Christ even if I were a Tory I'd rather vote for a Corbanistic ideological wet dream You really wouldn't.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 8 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Can we get this thread back on the track of the slaughter of foxes & elephants and child starvation? Christ even if I were a Tory I'd rather vote for a Corbanistic ideological wet dream than a strong and stable reality of a Cruella Deville doing whatever she wants with basic concepts of fairness, equality and a moral compass which only points in the direction of income generation. So true mate I'm not some Green voting SJW but species conservation is important to me and on one of the basic scales on how you judge a persons humanity, how they treat animals, Theresa May is looking like a sociopathic mess.
Nick Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: You really wouldn't. Well I'm anecdotally seeing (unsure yet on what scale) a section of Tory's who are a bit unsettled / disillusioned with the manifesto and direction of the Party on issues such as animal cruelty, environment and privacy....
LiberalFox Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 There's a reasonable argument for nationalisation and I'd have thought in the long run the aim would be to be cost neutral. We managed to set up a national health service when the country really was broke so the idea we couldn't re-nationalise rail and utilities when we are actually doing relatively well doesn't add up.
Guest MattP Posted 21 May 2017 Posted 21 May 2017 21 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Can we get this thread back on the track of the slaughter of foxes & elephants and child starvation? Christ even if I were a Tory I'd rather vote for a Corbanistic ideological wet dream than a strong and stable reality of a Cruella Deville doing whatever she wants with basic concepts of fairness, equality and a moral compass which only points in the direction of income generation. Who cares if we all poorer eh as long as we are all equal? Slaughter of Elephants and Foxes because of wanting to give a free vote and no ivory ban? Child starvation? Get a grip of yourself for crying out loud.
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