General Election, June 8th

[Carl the Llama]

Maybe but I'm tired of Jez harping on about triple lock. It's stupid to keep it as is and he must know that. For a man who's rep is built on being a different breed to most in Westminster it's shamefully pandering.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Maybe but I'm tired of Jez harping on about triple lock. It's stupid to keep it as is and he must know that. For a man who's rep is built on being a different breed to most in Westminster it's shamefully pandering.

 

Triple lock does't matter in the short term if inflation goes above 2.5% which will probably happen. 

 

Now bugger off!

[LiberalFox]

3 minutes ago, SMX11 said:

Unfortunately the 'Liberal' party is a pseudo socialist party so i can't see the economic liberalism ever being put on the table.

 

I think the Lib Dems have a problem with understanding what sort of Liberal party they should be, it's hard to get a broad consensus on economic policies within the party which leads to a tacit policy of equidistant economic policies so as not to offend the left and the right. Unfortunately that leaves us being indistinct as we appear like a watered down version of Labour. Of course the modern party was formed by the union of the former Liberals and SDP which would indicate a Liberal-Social Democrat hybrid. I also feel that the only conceivable way for the Lib Dems (or another Liberal entity) to gain power under FPTP is to defeat social democracy as the dominant ideology of the British left. I wouldn't consider a purely Libertarian or Anarcho-Liberal party Liberal and I don't think a party will ever defeat conservatism on the British right under FPTP. 

 

That leaves people whose main desire is to see more economic liberalism with a choice of the Lib Dems or the Conservatives and I'd guess most currently support the Conservatives especially as Thatcher was probably one of the most economically liberal prime ministers. 

 

Going forward it would be nice to defeat the failed ideology of socialism and its offshoot social democracy and replace it with genuine Liberalism, both social and economic. 

 

Personally I think we will get full fat socialism somewhere down the line. The Conservatives aren't doing anything to solve the issues that face the country and their gimmicky and cynical electioneering will eventually wear thin, even great governments get booted out eventually (and this one isn't one of those) and we will get Corbyn's successor who I believe will still be well to the left. (a lot of the Labour manifesto has been popular).    

[Sharpe's Fox]

28 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Maybe but I'm tired of Jez harping on about triple lock. It's stupid to keep it as is and he must know that. For a man who's rep is built on being a different breed to most in Westminster it's shamefully pandering.

@DJ Barry Hammond is right if Jez just even walks within 100 yards of number 10 inflation will be going higher than 2.5%. Blokes trying to win seats so don't worry about it.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

@DJ Barry Hammond is right if Jez just even walks within 100 yards of number 10 inflation will be going higher than 2.5%. Blokes trying to win seats so don't worry about it.

 

Its also the wrong area to go after in relation to the grey vote... they really should go after the social care policy because the re's fantastic attack lines given the Tories used to be the party of home ownership and they've cut inheritance tax yet slapped this horrible death tax with disproportionate impacts. 

 

Plus the key in all of this... most retired people I know would much prefer to pass on a meaningful possession than 'cash' and with good reason.

 

It's funny, their are claims of "May's moved to the centre ground" but I think she's moved to the middle of nowhere - by the sounds of it she's not appeased much to the party faithful with her manifesto and I reckon it's Corbyn's weakness that is pushing the centre leaning voters to the Tories because that's the more palatable option out of two very poor choices.

 

 

 

 

[Rincewind]

1 hour ago, SMX11 said:

Unfortunately the 'Liberal' party is a pseudo socialist party so i can't see the economic liberalism ever being put on the table.

The Lib Dems are not true Liberals.

 

 

[Guest MattP]

Labour within 10 points in one of the polls.

 

Corbyn must be shitting himself a little bit, expect Diane Abbott to be sent out again this week.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, MattP said:

Labour within 10 points in one of the polls.

 

Corbyn must be shitting himself a little bit, expect Diane Abbott to be sent out again this week.

If they can just take a further 3% off the tories  (so 6% relatuve gain) suddenly things get interesting. Would the labour 'big' (it's all relative...) hitters suddenly come back on the scene if a labour win liked likely? I personally think they need to get corbyn on screen as much as possible as, far from being the electoral monstrosity people were warned of, he does appear to be their strongest asset. It's hard not to wonder where they'd be if labour mps themselves hadn't spent 2 years undermining his every attempt to gain credibility (which is really the only thing polls show goes against him) so that he was coming into the election campaign from a more neutral position.

[Guest MattP]

11 minutes ago, toddybad said:

If they can just take a further 3% off the tories  (so 6% relatuve gain) suddenly things get interesting. Would the labour 'big' (it's all relative...) hitters suddenly come back on the scene if a labour win liked likely? I personally think they need to get corbyn on screen as much as possible as, far from being the electoral monstrosity people were warned of, he does appear to be their strongest asset. It's hard not to wonder where they'd be if labour mps themselves hadn't spent 2 years undermining his every attempt to gain credibility (which is really the only thing polls show goes against him) so that he was coming into the election campaign from a more neutral position.

I don't think any moderate Labour MP would seriously want a job in the cabinet having to deliver that manifesto (which I'm sure Corbyn knows isn't going to happen)

 

It could be a killed career in 3-4 years if we are begging the IMF again.

 

I suppose you can look at it 2 ways, one he's closing in the polls after a good campaign or secondly, he's still ten points behind even after delivering an outrageous set of bribes to every demographic.

[davieG]

More than two million people have applied to register to vote in the month since Theresa May announced plans for a snap general election on 8 June.

The highest number of applications so far was on 18 April, the day the prime minister made her announcement, when just over 150,000 people applied.

The number of young people registering is the highest of any age group.

The deadline to register online through the official website is 23.59 GMT on Monday 22 May.

The latest official figures published in March, before the election was called, showed that 45.7 million people were registered to vote in a general election as of 1 December 2016.

The Electoral Commission have warned that approximately seven million people across Britain who are eligible to vote are not registered, including 30% of under 34s while only 28% of home movers in the past year have registered.

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Anyone wanting to vote on 8 June who is not already on the electoral register needs to sign up. It takes five minutes to register online if you live in England, Wales or Scotland. Alternatively, people can fill out and return a written form by post.

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People are advised they may need their National Insurance number or their passport if they are a British citizen living abroad.

If you live in Northern Ireland you must fill in a form and take it to your local electoral office.

Since 18 April, 2.014 million people have signed up to vote although it has yet to be confirmed how many have been added to the electoral register.

Although the number of people applying has dropped off a little after an initial flurry in mid-April, there are still significant numbers of voters making sure they can have their say at the ballot box.

In six out of the past seven days, applications have exceeded 100,000. Of those applying to vote each day, nearly 40% have been under-25s, although people of all ages have been signing up.

The 150,364 people who applied to register on 18 April was the biggest total recorded for a single day since the EU referendum campaign in 2016.

There is expected to be a spike of applications in the run-up to Monday's deadline.

In 2015, 500,000 people applied to vote on deadline day while registration for the EU referendum in 2016 had to be extended by 48 hours after the website crashed in the final few hours.

Both Instagram and Snapchat will be carrying prominent reminders of the deadline on Monday in order to encourage their users to sign up.

[Nalis]

Question - When should I expect my postal vote to arrive for those who has done postal voting before?

 

Applied about 2 weeks ago and havent heard anything and wont be about from around the Sunday of the week of the vote.

[foxes21]

we need to keep our nukes

[Realist Guy In The Room]

10 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

we need to keep our nukes

Nah no point.

 

Well maybe keep one for a rainy day.

[Sharpe's Fox]

14 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

we need to keep our nukes

Good job both parties have committed to keeping Trident in their manifesto's then.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Elephants in the room...

 

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

we need to keep our nukes

Really? £100bil on a system that won't ever be used?

 

The interesting thing is that the tories claim labour are weak on security yet both parties have trident in the manifesto whilst the tories have cut the size of the army from 98,000 soldiers to 78,000 during their time in government. 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Really? £100bil on a system that won't ever be used?

 

The interesting thing is that the tories claim labour are weak on security yet both parties have trident in the manifesto whilst the tories have cut the size of the army from 98,000 soldiers to 78,000 during their time in government. 

We could sell them to North Korea, cash in hand, when nobody is looking.

[Guest MattP]

At least the Corbynistas aren't now claiming yougov is a Tory front polling organisation with the latest results. 

[foxes21]

12 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Really? £100bil on a system that won't ever be used?

 

The interesting thing is that the tories claim labour are weak on security yet both parties have trident in the manifesto whilst the tories have cut the size of the army from 98,000 soldiers to 78,000 during their time in government. 

we become a target, if we don't have a threat of retaliation like nukes.

other countries will want our gold reserves and access to 210 million tonnes of minerals.

[Vacamion]

 

We are at Act Two of the three act drama.

 

Unleash an unpopular policy, make it look like Corbyn and co have a chance, scare the horses.

 

You can bet that the Tories and their friends in the media are going to go even more heavily with the IRA supporting/economically illiterate/Hamas loving etc angles over the final weeks of the campaign.

 

The denouement is still a big Tory win.

 

 

[Buce]

6 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

we become a target, if we don't have a threat of retaliation like nukes.

other countries will want our gold reserves and access to 210 million tonnes of minerals.

 

What paranoid nonsense. 

[Finnaldo]

4 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

We are at Act Two of the three act drama.

 

Unleash an unpopular policy, make it look like Corbyn and co have a chance, scare the horses.

 

You can bet that the Tories and their friends in the media are going to go even more heavily with the IRA supporting/economically illiterate/Hamas loving etc angles over the final weeks of the campaign.

 

The denouement is still a big Tory win.

 

 

 

I've even thinking similarly after recent polls but at the same time I still think there's interesting possibilities on both sides. Polling has shown to be tripe in a few political events in recent history and its hard to make any sure statements based off of it. Ultimately after Brexit we're looking at a war of the cosiest candidate, not necessarily the best but the 'safe' or 'best' option between the two. I do think as well that the 'rogue' voters who turned up and ultimately swayed Brexit and the US Election could be on the other side of the political spectrum this time, whilst Tory was previously a dirty word to some, May being in the spotlight had become a face a lot more people could trust, as the malarkey about fox hunting, internet surveillance and triple lock come out I could imagine some reconsidering the 'safe' or 'best' option as Labour make all the right noises about renationalisation and tax. Corbyn as well has seemed to stepped it up in the Presidential Race May started and he seems a lot more confident and strong at rallies whilst appearing a lot more human in smaller addresses and meetings, a lot more human than May does at times.

 

I do think that the economy question  will always haunt Labour however, and regardless of gains the ball is still in the Tories court. It's there's to lose realistically and it could make for an interesting couple of weeks.

[Webbo]

That McDonell is a twat.

[Sharpe's Fox]

McDonnell beasting Damien Green on Marr absolutely hilarious. The so-called Marxist knows more about Green's ideology than he does.

 

35 minutes ago, MattP said:

At least the Corbynistas aren't now claiming yougov is a Tory front polling organisation with the latest results. 

 

We will when they win by 15 points on the 9th.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

That McDonell is a twat.

 

Really?

 

He speaks well of you.