General Election, June 8th

[Buce]

 

Tories adamant over Dementia Tax:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/39990986

[Buce]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Who cares if we all poorer eh as long as we are all equal? 

 

Slaughter of Elephants and Foxes because of wanting to give a free vote and no ivory ban? Child starvation? 

 

Get a grip of yourself for crying out loud.

 

You don't have a social conscience - we get it.

 

I just don't get why you'd disrespect someone who does.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Buce said:

You don't have a social conscience - we get it.

 

I just don't get why you'd disrespect someone who does.

It's amazing you can call out someone for not having a social conscience while you stand with a person who has supported people who bomb the innocent, has stood by idly while the organisation he runs sees a rise in some often terrible anti-semitism and supports government and regimes in the World that keep there own people enslaved.

 

If I supported that I wouldn't have the bollocks to question anyone else's moral compass. 

 

You are obviously a far better person than me because of who you vote for.

[Nick]

Just now, MattP said:

Who cares if we all poorer eh as long as we are all equal? 

 

Slaughter of Elephants and Foxes because of wanting to give a free vote and no ivory ban? Child starvation? 

 

Get a grip of yourself for crying out loud.

 

A grip? 

 

 

 

Important issues to some of us Matt.

 

And equality and fairness isn't built on the basis of us all been poorer it's founded on higher principles surely?

 

Its hilarious that you can post anecdotal slandering  of Labour people and policy all day long in here and if I even raise a topical issue you reply like that.

 

It's genuinely laughable.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

It's amazing you can call out someone for not having a social conscience while you stand with a person who has supported people who bomb the innocent, has stood by idly while the organisation he runs sees a rise in some often terrible anti-semitism and supports government and regimes in the World that keep there own people enslaved.

 

If I supported that I wouldn't have the bollocks to question anyone else's moral compass. 

 

You are obviously a far better person than me because of who you vote for.

 

I wasn't aware Swan Lesta is guilty of any of those things, and that's who you disrespected.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, MattP said:

It made a loss last year so how on earth are we going to reduce fairs, fund pensions and build infrastructure? 

 

You don't find it at least slightly odd the person who wants to be in charge of our security services once called defeat of the British state a victory for all?

 

You don't think that's at least worth mentioning? 

What i think is that governments fall when they run out of ideas and have nothing positive left to offer. The tories lost in 1997 because they'd run their race. Brown lost in 2010 because the positive early years had subsided leaving iraq (fairly) and the state of the economy (much more unfairly) as all they had left to talk about. Cameron won in 2010 because he offered new ideas and a positive outlook. Hell, even i voted for him.

 

We now see a tory government that has failed to meet virtually any promise from its last two manifestos and has nothing to add above making the same promises again and attacking the opposition. Labour is where the ideas and positivity are at right now. I hope they win this election because a change is needed. If they don't, they'll sure as hell win the next one. 

[Sharpe's Fox]

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

It's amazing you can call out someone for not having a social conscience while you stand with a person who has supported people who bomb the innocent, has stood by idly while the organisation he runs sees a rise in some often terrible anti-semitism and supports government and regimes in the World that keep there own people enslaved.

 Sounds awfully like Saudi Arabia. In fact it's uncanny.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

A grip? 

 

 

 

Important issues to some of us Matt.

 

And equality and fairness isn't built on the basis of us all been poorer it's founded on higher principles surely?

 

Its hilarious that you can post anecdotal slandering  of Labour people and policy all day long in here and if I even raise a topical issue you reply like that.

 

It's genuinely laughable.

What laughable is the hyperbole, Elephant and Fox slaughtering? Child starvation? If you want to see the latter have a look at Venezuela now, a country who Corbyn thought was taking the correct policy route.

 

When people like Farage used exaggerated rhetoric you were often the first to complain.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Anyone who buys ivory is complicit in the death of an elephant.

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

Anyone who buys ivory is complicit in the death of an elephant.

Does that include paint and windows, cus I have ivory for both?

[Sharpe's Fox]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Does that include paint and windows, cus I have ivory for both?

Hope it's not Dulux otherwise your enslaving that nice, fluffy dog 

[Buce]

5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

 Sounds awfully like Saudi Arabia. In fact it's uncanny.

 

You mean the Saudi Arabia that we sell billions worth of arms to?

 

Surely not?

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Hope it's not Durex otherwise your enslaving that nice, fluffy dog 

[Sharpe's Fox]

4 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

You mean the Saudi Arabia that we sell billions worth of arms to?

 

Surely not?

No of course not, I'm talking about the nice fluffy ones who don't subjugate women and minorities and don't fund ISIS because they want a new oil pipeline through an Islamist Syria.

[LiberalFox]

35 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Can we get this thread back on the track of the slaughter of foxes & elephants and child starvation?

 

Christ even if I were a Tory I'd rather vote for a Corbanistic ideological wet dream than a strong and stable reality of a Cruella Deville doing whatever she wants with basic concepts of fairness, equality and a moral compass which only points in the direction of income generation.

 

I get what you are saying, as a Liberal though I really wouldn't know who would be worse between May and Corbyn. I like Jeremy Corbyn on a personal level, he's a social liberal who clearly believes aspects of socialism would deliver a more socially liberal society. On the other hand I think May is a bit of a moralist. She's like Thatcher on social issues without the redeeming economic liberal side. I'd prefer Corbyn as PM but would rather Hammond or some other centre-right Tory as CotE. I don't trust John McDonnell who seems to have a nasty streak. 

[Nick]

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

You don't have a social conscience - we get it.

 

I just don't get why you'd disrespect someone who does.

 

Ive always voted on the basis of protecting the most vulnerable. I've never voted simply for the best outcomes for my family and business interests alone - I find such attitudes to be insular and selfish if I'm honest.

 

I believe how a society treats the ill of health, the elderly, the vulnerable, criminals, children and the environment should be a reflection of its strength and compassion rather than its profit margins.

 

And if @MattP such principles require me to get a grip and make you feel like you can be disrespectful toward such values then that says loads more about you than it does me.

 

On an aside, anybody seen the signs going up around London saying 'strong and stable my arse'  

[Nick]

1 minute ago, LiberalFox said:

 

I get what you are saying, as a Liberal though I really wouldn't know who would be worse between May and Corbyn. I like Jeremy Corbyn on a personal level, he's a social liberal who clearly believes aspects of socialism would deliver a more socially liberal society. On the other hand I think May is a bit of a moralist. She's like Thatcher on social issues without the redeeming economic liberal side. I'd prefer Corbyn as PM but would rather Hammond or some other centre-right Tory as CotE. I don't trust John McDonnell who seems to have a nasty streak. 

 

Yeah - I'm no Labour voter either. Just making a point. It's a shame Fallon is so floored otherwise I'd have considered voting for him.

[davieG]

 

https://www.indy100.com/article/general-election-2017-theresa-may-strong-stable-my-arse-signs-up-across-london-7747081

[Guest MattP]

Just now, Swan Lesta said:

 

Ive always voted on the basis of protecting the most vulnerable. I've never voted simply for the best outcomes for my family and business interests alone - I find such attitudes to be insular and selfish if I'm honest.

 

I believe how a society treats the ill of health, the elderly, the vulnerable, criminals, children and the environment should be a reflection of its strength and compassion rather than its profit margins.

 

And if @MattP such principles require me to get a grip and make you feel like you can be disrespectful toward such values then that says loads more about you than it does me.

 

On an aside, anybody seen the signs going up around London saying 'strong and stable my arse'  

You see, that's a perfect. Explains your position well without having to resort to saying things like the Tories are slaughtering Elephants or starving children. 

 

You could have posted that originally.

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

Ive always voted on the basis of protecting the most vulnerable. I've never voted simply for the best outcomes for my family and business interests alone - I find such attitudes to be insular and selfish if I'm honest.

 

I believe how a society treats the ill of health, the elderly, the vulnerable, criminals, children and the environment should be a reflection of its strength and compassion rather than its profit margins.

 

And if @MattP such principles require me to get a grip and make you feel like you can be disrespectful toward such values then that says loads more about you than it does me.

 

On an aside, anybody seen the signs going up around London saying 'strong and stable my arse'  

I've always voted to protect one self, hence most vunerable......is that wrong

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

 

https://www.indy100.com/article/general-election-2017-theresa-may-strong-stable-my-arse-signs-up-across-london-7747081

Her ass is strong and stable for sure.  Looking at her husband I don't think he is up for much

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

Yeah - I'm no Labour voter either. Just making a point. It's a shame Fallon is so floored otherwise I'd have considered voting for him.

The Lib Dems are down to 5% in one poll.

 

How have they manage to fcuk this up so badly? They were supposed to have a rump of 48% to go for on the highest electorate ever. 

 

One other thing if these polls are right, the case for PR will be dead for a while.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

You see, that's a perfect. Explains your position well without having to resort to saying things like the Tories are slaughtering Elephants or starving children. 

 

You could have posted that originally.

 

Nah - you post in such styles all the time. Your response was disproportional and now you are back tracking. You post anecdotal, piss-taking stuff about Labour all day long, you just allowed yourself to get wound up about it because I posted it!

[Nick]

4 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I've always voted to protect one self, hence most vunerable......is that wrong

Dunno mate - just depends I guess on how vulnerable you see yourself in society I guess! 

[Nick]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

The Lib Dems are down to 5% in one poll.

 

How have they manage to fcuk this up so badly? They were supposed to have a rump of 48% to go for on the highest electorate ever. 

 

One other thing if these polls are right, the case for PR will be dead for a while.

I felt that they had an amazing opportunity but zero leadership, marketing or profile either pre or post election.... which for me is why they are nowhere.