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Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

By DJ Barry Hammond, in General Chat

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Webbo

Webbo

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1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Here's the difficulty though:  What measures can you suggest that would protect workers without drastically affecting the freedom to employers that makes ZHCs so attractive to the glorified slavers out there?

 

If there was a fixed minimum weekly income for employees on a ZHC that might prevent so many people taking the piss.

 

And that's your choice and by the sounds of it when things are going well you earn enough to give you a bit of cover for the periods when they aren't.  That's absolutely no reason for you to sit in your house and decide that the people who are on a ZHC because it was all they could get and who could be a month away from living on the streets at any given point have got what they deserved.

I didn't say anyone deserved to be on the street. If a zhc is all you can get then take it and look for something better while you've got a job.If you think that banning zhc means that all of a sudden there'll be thousands of well paid, permanent jobs springing up to replace them you're kidding yourself.

Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

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4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I didn't say anyone deserved to be on the street. If a zhc is all you can get then take it and look for something better while you've got a job.If you think that banning zhc means that all of a sudden there'll be thousands of well paid, permanent jobs springing up to replace them you're kidding yourself.

Of course that won't happen which is all the more reason to make it so people can support a meagre existence while they're on the bottom rung and looking for a better source of income.  As it stands if you get to the point where you're a grown adult in the workforce and you rely on a ZHC then there's very little scope for you to improve your lot because you're too busy struggling (and failing) to make the maths of food and rent work.

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Webbo

Webbo

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1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Of course that won't happen which is all the more reason to make it so people can support a meagre existence while they're on the bottom rung and looking for a better source of income.  As it stands if you get to the point where you're a grown adult in the workforce and you rely on a ZHC then there's very little scope for you to improve your lot because you're too busy struggling to make the maths of food and rent work.

So what's your alternative? 

Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

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Just now, Webbo said:

So what's your alternative? 

You quoted it at the top of the page.  Just a suggestion mind, the whole point of this conversation is to figure out the best solution for all.

Strokes

Strokes

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30 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Here's the difficulty though:  What measures can you suggest that would protect workers without drastically affecting the freedom to employers that makes ZHCs so attractive to the glorified slavers out there?

 

If there was a fixed minimum weekly income for employees on a ZHC that might prevent so many people taking the piss.

 

And that's your choice and by the sounds of it when things are going well you earn enough to give you a bit of cover for the periods when they aren't.  That's absolutely no reason for you to sit in your house and decide that the people who are on a ZHC because it was all they could get and who could be a month away from living on the streets at any given point have got what they deserved.

Well like I said earlier in the thread, they could force companies to offer a fixed amount of hours after the employee has been at the company for 12 weeks. Then the employee could opt out if it did not suit them. The government should make sure that people on ZHC are entitled to holidays on a pro rata basis, in line with full time employees of said company. I think that would sort most issues out.

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Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

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1 hour ago, Strokes said:

Well like I said earlier in the thread, they could force companies to offer a fixed amount of hours after the employee has been at the company for 12 weeks. Then the employee could opt out if it did not suit them. The government should make sure that people on ZHC are entitled to holidays on a pro rata basis, in line with full time employees of said company. I think that would sort most issues out.

ZHC employees do still get paid leave entitlement, so that's one small saving grace, but the fact still remains that it's utterly unethical for an employer to expect the assurance of a person's labour as and when they demand it without ensuring that person an income that can be lived off in return nor even a stable timetable so they can work another job in around.  That seems common sense to most and I'm sure a good deal of employers are fair with their employees to those ends but without it being compulsory too many are taking the piss and ruining the future prospects of a generation already suffering the damage caused by the take take take culture of their predecessors.

 

Now it's all well and good saying if you don't like it find something else but jobs don't grow on trees and the people who think that way are generally also the ones who resent those who claim benefits instead of sticking it out in fiscally unfulfilling jobs while they seek employment elsewhere.

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Strokes

Strokes

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31 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

ZHC employees do still get paid leave entitlement, so that's one small saving grace, but the fact still remains that it's utterly unethical for an employer to expect the assurance of a person's labour as and when they demand it without ensuring that person an income that can be lived off in return nor even a stable timetable so they can work another job in around.  That seems common sense to most and I'm sure a good deal of employers are fair with their employees to those ends but without it being compulsory too many are taking the piss and ruining the future prospects of a generation already suffering the damage caused by the take take take culture of their predecessors.

 

Now it's all well and good saying if you don't like it find something else but jobs don't grow on trees and the people who think that way are generally also the ones who resent those who claim benefits instead of sticking it out in fiscally unfulfilling jobs while they seek employment elsewhere.

We need a campaign carl, a bit like the #stopfundinghate. Whereby all companies that treat employees like shit get named and shamed, we boycott until they change their wicked ways. 

Power to the people!

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42 minutes ago, Strokes said:

We need a campaign carl, a bit like the #stopfundinghate. Whereby all companies that treat employees like shit get named and shamed, we boycott until they change their wicked ways. 

Power to the people!

It would be a bloody long list!

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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12 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

ZHC employees do still get paid leave entitlement, so that's one small saving grace, but the fact still remains that it's utterly unethical for an employer to expect the assurance of a person's labour as and when they demand it without ensuring that person an income that can be lived off in return nor even a stable timetable so they can work another job in around.  That seems common sense to most and I'm sure a good deal of employers are fair with their employees to those ends but without it being compulsory too many are taking the piss and ruining the future prospects of a generation already suffering the damage caused by the take take take culture of their predecessors.

 

Now it's all well and good saying if you don't like it find something else but jobs don't grow on trees and the people who think that way are generally also the ones who resent those who claim benefits instead of sticking it out in fiscally unfulfilling jobs while they seek employment elsewhere.

It's the Scottish dancers I feel sorry for, they're the real victims of the jig economy.

Guest

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33 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Here is why we were wrong but eventually we will be right, mmmmmmok.

Tbh I'm actually quite bored of brexit atm. Just trying to get webbo excited lol as i said to him before, we're way off knowing the outcome

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Webbo

Webbo

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1 minute ago, toddybad said:

Tbh I'm actually quite bored of brexit atm. Just trying to get webbo excited lol as i said to him before its a way of knowing the outcome

I hope you weren't trolling? ;)

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3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I hope you weren't trolling? ;)

Just a little webbo :thumbup:

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