Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Guest MattP]

6 minutes ago, Captain... said:

He did sign something to say that there was nothing in his past that could embarrass the party. I imagine it as thorough as most other parties, they can't start demanding access to your social media accounts. He had his account hacked didn't he? It wasn't public posts.

People used to go mental when UKIP let an idiot fall through the net, the double standards are amazing, Hallam was a Labour target as well so they should have paid even more attention to this. It's not like they didn't expect this like that moron who now represents them in Canterbury.

 

They've found various things all over the place, there was a girl on the Daily Politics yesterday who was being called an ugly slag by him this summer on Tinder, we get his opinions on Mandela and Ghandi tomorrow according to Guido, can't wait. 

 

Fair play to the bloke mind for standing for office having done all that, he's got some balls.

[Captain...]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

People used to go mental when UKIP let an idiot fall through the net, the double standards are amazing, Hallam was a Labour target as well so they should have paid even more attention to this. It's not like they didn't expect this like that moron who now represents them in Canterbury.

 

They've found various things all over the place, there was a girl on the Daily Politics yesterday who was being called an ugly slag by him this summer on Tinder, we get his opinions on Mandela and Ghandi tomorrow according to Guido, can't wait. 

 

Fair play to the bloke mind for standing for office having done all that, he's got some balls.

Don't get me wrong he seems like a tw*t, but that is because of the things he is doing now, coupled with the stuff dragged up from 13 years ago. The only similar Ukipper embarrassment that springs to mind is Alex Wood and his "Nazi salute" on facebook but that came out as soon the photo was put up, not years later.

[Strokes]

11 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Even if they were made 10 years ago by someone you know to have grown up a lot and no longer thinks like that. All he is trying to do is make a living?

 

They would have to be special cases, such as someone in the public eye, for it to really get to that stage. I would say anything that happened or was said before they were "employed" then I don't think "employers" should be able to sack them, even if they are disposable.

Unless you are someone of reasonable importance and in public office, its fairly unlikely anybody would bother going through 10+ years of social media. We arent talking a run of the mill job.

[Guest MattP]

Some of his shit is just plain weird.

 

https://order-order.com/2017/10/25/jared-taking-mums-virginity-fellatio-angelina-jolie/

[Captain...]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Unless you are someone of reasonable importance and in public office, its fairly unlikely anybody would bother going through 10+ years of social media. We arent talking a run of the mill job.

You  would be amazed how sad and petty some people can be, imagine the Co-op, a big part of their USP is that they are an ethical company, someone finds out that they have employed someone who in the past has made offensive and discriminatory comments they can use that to try and embarrass them.

[Guest MattP]

On 24/10/2017 at 12:26, toddybad said:

It'd be just the way for all the Brexiters to desert the UK for the continent just as their madness really kicks in over here.

Me getting an Irish passport is nothing to do with Brexit. I'd be doing exactly the same in the current climate even if we had voted Remain.

 

I'm finally (at the age of 35) sorting my life out, I've stopped doing things that were harmful to me and I've got a couple of projects going now that could be really good.

 

I'm not going to put time and effort into things to then have people like McDonnell take most of it off me.

[Guest]

Just now, MattP said:

Me getting an Irish passport is nothing to do with Brexit. I'd be doing exactly the same in the current climate even if we had voted Remain.

 

I'm finally (at the age of 35) sorting my life out, I've stopped doing things that were harmful to me and I've got a couple of projects going now that could be really good.

 

I'm not going to put time and effort into things to then have people like McDonnell take most of it off me.

So will you be moving out of the UK to operate or just fiddling the tax system? Bet you're still happy to use schools and health services, and complain about potholes in the roads. 

 

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

Some of his shit is just plain weird.

 

https://order-order.com/2017/10/25/jared-taking-mums-virginity-fellatio-angelina-jolie/

I have friends in Sheffield that know of him through the music scene, and his musical review style was "colourful". That on it's own strikes me as someone trying to make a name for themselves in music journalism. A symptom of click bait saturated on-line journalism, where people say anything to stand out, not necessarily a deviant mind. Obviously with everything else that has come out it builds a picture of a bit of an oddball. 

[Guest MattP]

14 minutes ago, toddybad said:

So will you be moving out of the UK to operate or just fiddling the tax system? Bet you're still happy to use schools and health services, and complain about potholes in the roads. 

Yep. Pretty much shows why your high tax system won't work in one paragraph there. 

 

I'd never fiddle my tax either, why shouldn't the Irish get my tax to pay for their services if they welcome me?

[Guest MattP]

13 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I have friends in Sheffield that know of him through the music scene, and his musical review style was "colourful". That on it's own strikes me as someone trying to make a name for themselves in music journalism. A symptom of click bait saturated on-line journalism, where people say anything to stand out, not necessarily a deviant mind. Obviously with everything else that has come out it builds a picture of a bit of an oddball. 

Have any of them heard him singing "I wish I were a mysoginist I'd smash her in the face?"

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/order-order.com/2017/06/07/labour-candidate-i-wish-i-were-a-misogynist-id-smash-her-in-the-face/amp/

[Captain...]

Just now, MattP said:

Have any of them heard him singing "I wish I were a mysoginist I'd smash her in the face?"

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/order-order.com/2017/06/07/labour-candidate-i-wish-i-were-a-misogynist-id-smash-her-in-the-face/amp/

Probably, I'll ask as I'm seeing one of them tonight.

[Bellend Sebastian]

39 minutes ago, MattP said:

Have any of them heard him singing "I wish I were a mysoginist I'd smash her in the face?"

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/order-order.com/2017/06/07/labour-candidate-i-wish-i-were-a-misogynist-id-smash-her-in-the-face/amp/

Like a Pound Shop Arctic Monkeys.

 

Anybody that uses the word 'troubadour' in contemporary culture should be in prison anyway

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, MattP said:

Yep. Pretty much shows why your high tax system won't work in one paragraph there. 

 

I'd never fiddle my tax either, why shouldn't the Irish get my tax to pay for their services if they welcome me?

So you'll have a base in Ireland?

Will we be able to visit?

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, toddybad said:

So will you be moving out of the UK to operate or just fiddling the tax system? Bet you're still happy to use schools and health services, and complain about potholes in the roads. 

 

Why shouldnt he use the schools and the healthcare services, explain?

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, toddybad said:

So you'll have a base in Ireland?

Will we be able to visit?

My work is Internet based, like many are these days and my income mainly from outside this country. It's more common than you think.

 

We are in 2017, hence why your 1970's capital controls won't work, but I don't expect anyone in Labour to understand that as it's a different World to them. 

[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, Strokes said:

Why shouldnt he use the schools and the healthcare services, explain?

Interesting this, should those people born here who don't pay tax be denied access to healthcare, schools etc @toddybad

[Strokes]

35 minutes ago, MattP said:

Interesting this, should those people born here who don't pay tax be denied access to healthcare, schools etc @toddybad

Well according to him they are rubbish, so you probably wouldnt want too anyway

 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, MattP said:

Interesting this, should those people born here who don't pay tax be denied access to healthcare, schools etc @toddybad

 

2 hours ago, MattP said:

My work is Internet based, like many are these days and my income mainly from outside this country. It's more common than you think.

 

We are in 2017, hence why your 1970's capital controls won't work, but I don't expect anyone in Labour to understand that as it's a different World to them. 

You mean if they if they take steps to change where they're taxed purely to pay a lower rate in a different country? How is that any different to multinationals opting to pay to Luxemburg or companies having a PO Box in Jersey?

 

Interesting how your ethics changes when it relates to your own income isn't it? 

 

You'll live in the UK and conduct your work from the UK but expect everybody else to pay for UK infrastructure, which you'll be using to conduct your business?

 

I'm stunned Strokes is defending you given his aversion to people who don't pay into the system using this country. 

[Strokes]

21 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 

You mean if they if they take steps to change where they're taxed purely to pay a lower rate in a different country? How is that any different to multinationals opting to pay to Luxemburg or companies having a PO Box in Jersey?

 

Interesting how your ethics changes when it relates to your own income isn't it? 

 

You'll live in the UK and conduct your work from the UK but expect everybody else to pay for UK infrastructure, which you'll be using to conduct your business?

 

I'm stunned Strokes is defending you given his aversion to people who don't pay into the system using this country. 

He has payed into the system. Id imagine for his whole working life.

 

Why do you think its acceptable for people to spend their life on welfare, with no history of taxes paid, being able to benifit from service and people who have paid, shouldn't? 

[Strokes]

32 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 

I'm stunned Strokes is defending you given his aversion to people who don't pay into the system using this country. 

You have got me completely wrong, id happily remove all public services and privatise the lot for a nil tax bill. Ive also been quite open about doing cash jobs and not paying tax on it. Which i would have no qualms about doing again.

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, Strokes said:

You have got me completely wrong, id happily remove all public services and privatise the lot for a nil tax bill. Ive also been quite open about doing cash jobs and not paying tax on it. Which i would have no qualms about doing again.

As somebody who pays every penny they should via PAYE I'm honestly stunned by what you and Matty are saying this evening. Matt is 35. You think the tax he's paid with all the self employed cons thrown in to reduce the bill should cover him forever? 

 

You believe that the tax cons employed by multinationals are fair game and should be employed by even the smallest businesses?

 

I'd love you to get me a figure for the total number of people who have lived on benefits forever, with no history of disability. That number is definitely a lot smaller than the number of self employed people conning the system by pretending spouses work for the company, over egging expenses and not declaring cash payments.

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[Izzy]

2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

As somebody who pays every penny they should via PAYE I'm honestly stunned by what you and Matty are saying this evening. Matt is 35. You think the tax he's paid with all the self employed cons thrown in to reduce the bill should cover him forever? 

 

You grieve tart the tax cons employed by multinationals are fair game and should be employed by even the smallest businesses?

 

I'd love you to get me a figure for the total number of people who have lived on benefits forever, with no history of disability. That number is definitely a lot smaller than the number of self employed people conning the system by pretending spouses work for the company, over egging expenses and not declaring cash payments.

I'll have you know my missus does a hell of a lot to justify her 12% shares and dividend payments thank you very much.

 

The washing, ironing, cleaning and cooking to mention but a few...

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

As somebody who pays every penny they should via PAYE I'm honestly stunned by what you and Matty are saying this evening. Matt is 35. You think the tax he's paid with all the self employed cons thrown in to reduce the bill should cover him forever? 

 

You grieve tart the tax cons employed by multinationals are fair game and should be employed by even the smallest businesses?

 

I'd love you to get me a figure for the total number of people who have lived on benefits forever, with no history of disability. That number is definitely a lot smaller than the number of self employed people conning the system by pretending spouses work for the company, over egging expenses and not declaring cash payments.

If its alot smaller, why dont you provide the figures, you are the one making claims. I hope its more sucessful than the last stats you provided.

 

[Kopfkino]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

You have got me completely wrong, id happily remove all public services and privatise the lot for a nil tax bill. Ive also been quite open about doing cash jobs and not paying tax on it. Which i would have no qualms about doing again.

 

@toddybad seems I might be more of a socialist than you could ever have thought

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I'll have you know my missus does a hell of a lot to justify her 12% shares and dividend payments thank you very much.

 

The washing, ironing, cleaning and cooking to mention but a few...

Sorry but I'm not finding any of this funny.

 

The right wingers on here, those who complain most about people getting something for nothing, are the ones all admitting to being tax dodgers.