Buce Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 Tory minister: Brexit hardliners 'the swivel eyed few': https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/29/minister-why-i-called-brexit-hardliners-swivel-eyed Loving it.
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Time to crash out hard.
Fox Ulike Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Is this News? I thought that was the whole point of the transition period?
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 Just now, Fox Ulike said: Is this News? I thought that was the whole point of the transition period? We were fed the lie we could negotiate trade deals whilst in transition, all that does is push the cliff edge further back. Hopefully Its now hard brexit or no brexit.
Buce Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Time to crash out hard. Not gonna happen. The only crashing we're going to see is the Tories crashing and burning.
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: Not gonna happen. The only crashing we're going to see is the Tories crashing and burning. I couldn’t care less about them, they’ve mismanaged this from the start. We could be out this summer if they hadn’t messed around and it was them that sold us to the EEC in the first place.
Buce Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: We were fed the lie we could negotiate trade deals whilst in transition, all that does is push the cliff edge further back. Hopefully Its now hard brexit or no brexit. Oh, the irony. http://brexitlies.com/ the lies The EU referendum saw the leave campaign produce an unprecedented number of lies. As the same people are trying to rewrite history and sweep unfeasible brexit promises under the carpet, this page will help you get wise and not fall for false prophets again. External links: Bananas and other myths (EU page) ● List of lies kept by Richard Corbett MEP ● Theresa may predicted a border between the two Irelands ● Compare brexit Britain with EU Britain ● 9 Pro-Brexit Stories Since Proven To Be Utterly Inaccurate ● £350m Brexit bus lie man says leaving the EU is ‘an ERROR’ ● 8 Surprising Facts About Migration! ● Leave Campaign's independent think-tank NOT SO INDEPEDENT it turns out... ● Nice compilation of lies by Plymouth's Herald the lie: The Leave campaign had that expensive looking bright red bus saying we'd give the £350m to the NHS instead of the EU every week. Their site was even counting how many hospitals they could build with that. Independent voteleavetakecontrol.org (via web archive) the truth: They didn't wait too long before saying that was a lie. The day after the referendum Nigel Farage himself said it was all tosh. Yes, even you Nigel, promised those, despite what you said afterwards! And only a few months later, we have Theresa May admitting it as well. What a scam. Indy 100 Independent £350 MILLIONS for the NHS Brexit will be good for the economy We'll keep access to the EU single market and we'll stop EU immigration We'll have the same benefits outside the EU They (the EU) need us more than we need them Immigrants are taking our jobs / lowering our wages! Low skilled Immigrants are taking Britons' jobs We'll keep valuable EU agencies We'll be fine trading under WTO rules, Easy! We have a mandate to leave the single market Immigration is out of control! We want to regain control from the EU! Immigration is bad for the economy! The EU is corrupt Student visas used to come and stay illegally Immigrants come here to sponge benefits! Free trade with EU post-Brexit! We'll stop giving money to the EU The EU is bossing us around We're giving £350 millions to the EU every week We're selling coffee to Brazil The EU has infiltrated our Universities 1
Webbo Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: We were fed the lie we could negotiate trade deals whilst in transition, all that does is push the cliff edge further back. Hopefully Its now hard brexit or no brexit. We can still negotiate deals we just cant sign them until we leave. Tbh I'm hoping we just leave now. 1
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, the irony. http://brexitlies.com/ the lies The EU referendum saw the leave campaign produce an unprecedented number of lies. As the same people are trying to rewrite history and sweep unfeasible brexit promises under the carpet, this page will help you get wise and not fall for false prophets again. External links: Bananas and other myths (EU page) ● List of lies kept by Richard Corbett MEP ● Theresa may predicted a border between the two Irelands ● Compare brexit Britain with EU Britain ● 9 Pro-Brexit Stories Since Proven To Be Utterly Inaccurate ● £350m Brexit bus lie man says leaving the EU is ‘an ERROR’ ● 8 Surprising Facts About Migration! ● Leave Campaign's independent think-tank NOT SO INDEPEDENT it turns out... ● Nice compilation of lies by Plymouth's Herald the lie: The Leave campaign had that expensive looking bright red bus saying we'd give the £350m to the NHS instead of the EU every week. Their site was even counting how many hospitals they could build with that. Independent voteleavetakecontrol.org (via web archive) the truth: They didn't wait too long before saying that was a lie. The day after the referendum Nigel Farage himself said it was all tosh. Yes, even you Nigel, promised those, despite what you said afterwards! And only a few months later, we have Theresa May admitting it as well. What a scam. Indy 100 Independent £350 MILLIONS for the NHS Brexit will be good for the economy We'll keep access to the EU single market and we'll stop EU immigration We'll have the same benefits outside the EU They (the EU) need us more than we need them Immigrants are taking our jobs / lowering our wages! Low skilled Immigrants are taking Britons' jobs We'll keep valuable EU agencies We'll be fine trading under WTO rules, Easy! We have a mandate to leave the single market Immigration is out of control! We want to regain control from the EU! Immigration is bad for the economy! The EU is corrupt Student visas used to come and stay illegally Immigrants come here to sponge benefits! Free trade with EU post-Brexit! We'll stop giving money to the EU The EU is bossing us around We're giving £350 millions to the EU every week We're selling coffee to Brazil The EU has infiltrated our Universities
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: We can still negotiate deals we just cant sign them until we leave. Tbh I'm hoping we just leave now. Yes! One more nutter on the hard brexit bus, welcome aboard. 1
Rogstanley Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 14 minutes ago, Webbo said: We can still negotiate deals we just cant sign them until we leave. Tbh I'm hoping we just leave now. So the EU says how they want things to proceed, you don't agree and your instinct is to just leave immediately causing absolute chaos? How utterly, dangerously childish. The grown up response, if you don't like the EU's plan, is to talk to them about it and agree on an alternative. 1
Webbo Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: So the EU says how they want things to proceed, you don't agree and your instinct is to just leave immediately causing absolute chaos? How utterly, dangerously childish. The grown up response, if you don't like the EU's plan, is to talk to them about it and agree on an alternative. We've been talking for a long time now. we've agreed the first bit now we've got to wait until March to agree a transition and then we can discuss a trade deal. There was no reason why we couldn't discuss it all concurrently . Mean while we've put up with briefings, leaks and abuse. Fvck 'em, it'll cost them more than us.
Alf Bentley Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 17 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yes! One more nutter on the hard brexit bus, welcome aboard. "This bus is bound for the cliff edge! All aboard!" Well, at least you reminded me of a great song (or two).
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Is there anything here we didn't expect? They were talking about ECJ jurisdiction for 7 years, if it's 2 years after the official exit date to be finally free of this cartel then I'll accept that. (Now sure if I'm still classed as an ultra/radical/extreme Brexiteer after that) Again though, this is a negotiating position, we still have the option to walk away in March and if we don't like the deal offered we can do.
Strokes Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Is there anything here we didn't expect? They were talking about ECJ jurisdiction for 7 years, if it's 2 years after the official exit date to be finally free of this cartel then I'll accept that. (Now sure if I'm still classed as an ultra/radical/extreme Brexiteer after that) Again though, this is a negotiating position, we still have the option to walk away in March and if we don't like the deal offered we can do.
Rogstanley Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Webbo said: We've been talking for a long time now. we've agreed the first bit now we've got to wait until March to agree a transition and then we can discuss a trade deal. There was no reason why we couldn't discuss it all concurrently . Mean while we've put up with briefings, leaks and abuse. Fvck 'em, it'll cost them more than us. You should be asking why your government have failed to take any initiative and let themselves be dominated and dictated to by the EU. Your response is just like a child who, having been told calmly and rationally why she can't have a toy, proceeds to go and smash up her bedroom. The EU aren't our parents, they have no inherent authority over us, it's only because we have such a piss weak pathetic government that we're allowing them to be in control. Instead of acting like the child what we actually need is stronger, more mature leadership. It is abundantly clear that Tessie and team are not up for this task. They are already the worst government in modern British history on a range of measures, letting them loose on something as crucial as brexit is a real disaster in the making. Edited 29 January 2018 by Rogstanley 2
Webbo Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: You should be asking why your government have failed to take any initiative and let themselves be dominated and dictated to by the EU. Your response is just like a child who, having been told calmly and rationally why she can't have a toy, proceeds to go and smash up her bedroom. The EU aren't our parents, they have no inherent authority over us, it's only because we have such a piss weak pathetic government that we're allowing them to be in control. Instead of acting like the child what we actually need is stronger, more mature leadership. It is abundantly clear that Tessie and team are not up for this task. They are already the worst government in modern British history on a range of measures, letting them loose on something as crucial as brexit is a real disaster in the making. Gee, that's told me.
Rogstanley Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 Just now, Webbo said: Gee, that's told me. Phil Gee? I'll take that as an admittance you've got absolutely no comeback and that I've comfortably won the argument. What's that now, about 15-0?
Webbo Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: Phil Gee? I'll take that as an admittance you've got absolutely no comeback and that I've comfortably won the argument. What's that now, about 15-0? Maybe one day you might win 1. But only if I suffer a major brain injury. #keepdreaming. 1
Alf Bentley Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 2 hours ago, Webbo said: We can still negotiate deals we just cant sign them until we leave. Tbh I'm hoping we just leave now. Barnier has confirmed this is the EU position: that UK could negotiate deals, but couldn't implement them until the end of the transition period. Is that different from the current position? As I understand it, we cannot currently enter into formal negotiations on new deals, though exploratory discussions are ongoing, I presume. He added that the UK would also need to negotiate the replication/replacement of 750 existing EU agreements with other countries (assuming it still wants those agreements). The existing agreements would cease to apply to us at the end of the transition period (or in March 2019 if there is no transition period).
Guest Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 6 hours ago, MattP said: Thought this was interesting as well, people who take an interest in politics generally vote Tory. Bit annoying really, we certainly need to get people more interested in the subject. Firstly the more educated the person the more likely they were to vote labour I believed? Secondly, with education cuts it's unlikely they'll be enough bright people left to vote tory if your theory holds true
Webbo Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: Barnier has confirmed this is the EU position: that UK could negotiate deals, but couldn't implement them until the end of the transition period. Is that different from the current position? As I understand it, we cannot currently enter into formal negotiations on new deals, though exploratory discussions are ongoing, I presume. He added that the UK would also need to negotiate the replication/replacement of 750 existing EU agreements with other countries (assuming it still wants those agreements). The existing agreements would cease to apply to us at the end of the transition period (or in March 2019 if there is no transition period). As I understand it all those other countries have agreed to continue with those agreements post Brexit.
Guest Posted 29 January 2018 Posted 29 January 2018 2 hours ago, Webbo said: We've been talking for a long time now. we've agreed the first bit now we've got to wait until March to agree a transition and then we can discuss a trade deal. There was no reason why we couldn't discuss it all concurrently . Mean while we've put up with briefings, leaks and abuse. Fvck 'em, it'll cost them more than us. You're just a rabid fundamentalist though. Even you must realise you're miles away from the centre on this one?
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