Buce Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 5 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I’ve been an idiot for as long as I can remember but some of these callers on the Brexit phone in on the wireless today were way more idiot than me. And we let these people have kids and drive cars and everything. And then we let them vote to determine the future of our country! Incredible... What's really scary is that they can sit on a jury. We are all just twelve idiots away from a life sentence. 1
Innovindil Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: What's really scary is that they can sit on a jury. We are all just twelve idiots away from a life sentence. That's what you get for renting a flat out ya immoral bastard. #JusticeIsServed 1
Strokes Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 6 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Just listening to the Nicky Campbell phone in on Brexit on 5 live now. I think the problem with it all is that we let stupid people vote. There should be some sort of test people have to take before they’re allowed to vote. Idiots, idiots everywhere.... Or maybe, we should have made sure that the prosperity that the European Union (supposedly) brings, reaches the idiots at the bottom of the food chain. It makes me laugh that all the people on here that pretend to care about the worse off in our society and claim to vote to protect them, would happily call them stupid, gullible, racist and shit all over them just so they have a shorter queue at the airport on their Mediterranean summer holidays. They only care when it doesn’t really affect them, they think it should only affect people with more money than themselves.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: Or maybe, we should have made sure that the prosperity that the European Union (supposedly) brings, reaches the idiots at the bottom of the food chain. It makes me laugh that all the people on here that pretend to care about the worse off in our society and claim to vote to protect them, would happily call them stupid, gullible, racist and shit all over them just so they have a shorter queue at the airport on their Mediterranean summer holidays. They only care when it doesn’t really affect them, they think it should only affect people with more money than themselves. Completely agree with that first sentence, as an idiot at the bottom of the food chain! Expresses part of my problem with both the EU and our national govt. Short airport queues doesn't feature high as a factor for me, though. Haven't taken a flight for years. Much prefer ferries and trains.
fuchsntf Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 40 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I’ve been an idiot for as long as I can remember but some of these callers on the Brexit phone in on the wireless today were way more idiot than me. And we let these people have kids and drive cars and everything. And then we let them vote to determine the future of our country! Incredible... Wow, so Therasa May, and Boris Johnson called in...!!??
Voll Blau Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 This - the rank fvcking hypocrisy of stuff like this - is what winds me up the most about the absolute shitshow we're going through. https://www.ft.com/content/110f57ee-02a3-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5
Bellend Sebastian Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 12 minutes ago, Strokes said: Or maybe, we should have made sure that the prosperity that the European Union (supposedly) brings, reaches the idiots at the bottom of the food chain. It makes me laugh that all the people on here that pretend to care about the worse off in our society and claim to vote to protect them, would happily call them stupid, gullible, racist and shit all over them just so they have a shorter queue at the airport on their Mediterranean summer holidays. They only care when it doesn’t really affect them, they think it should only affect people with more money than themselves. My father in law wears those things like a badge of honour. I dare you to tell him he isn't
Strokes Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 33 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: My father in law wears those things like a badge of honour. I dare you to tell him he isn't Well if he is gullible it shouldn’t be that hard to convince.
Buce Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 (edited) More on the leak: Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) One more thought on the #Brexit Economy analysis leaked to Buzzfeed.This was NOT from Treasury Or Team Hammond.This was DexEU analysis. A department captained by @DavidDavisMP - an arch Brexiteer. It comes from one of their own. As a warning to their own: tread softly. January 30, 2018 So not 'fake news' then - even the Brexiteers can see where we're headed. Edited 30 January 2018 by Buce
Bellend Sebastian Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Well if he is gullible it shouldn’t be that hard to convince. It's selective gullibility (?). This is a man who as recently as 2014 was not convinced of there being a link between smoking cigarettes and cancer. Tell him that the Irish are putting hallucinogens in water supply to soften our stance on a united Ireland and he'll believe that though. 1 minute ago, Buce said: More on the leak: Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) One more thought on the #Brexit Economy analysis leaked to Buzzfeed.This was NOT from Treasury Or Team Hammond.This was DexEU analysis. A department captained by @DavidDavisMP - an arch Brexiteer. It comes from one of their own. As a warning to their own: tread softly. January 30, 2018 It's gone very Thick of It, AS IF IT WASN'T ALREADY
Rogstanley Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 It's just embarrassment after embarrassment for this shambles of a government now. Every day we're getting at least one and sometimes numerous things cropping up that demonstrate their supreme incompetence. It's no wonder Theresa May's face is permanently contorted into the shape of an owl, she can't be getting a wink of sleep at night.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: More on the leak: Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) One more thought on the #Brexit Economy analysis leaked to Buzzfeed.This was NOT from Treasury Or Team Hammond.This was DexEU analysis. A department captained by @DavidDavisMP - an arch Brexiteer. It comes from one of their own. As a warning to their own: tread softly. January 30, 2018 So not 'fake news' then - even the Brexiteers can see where we're headed. Even Liam Fox is warning the Hard Brexiteers to moderate their expectations: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5328957/Liam-Fox-says-Brexiteers-live-disappointment.html I'll be interested to hear what Gove says, as he's shrewder than most of them. Seems to be keeping his head down for now. A couple of months back, he commented that, from his perspective, it might be a case of accepting a Soft Brexit and then working to make it Harder over coming years by winning electoral support for it (maybe Momentum could also advise him on how to deselect moderate backbenchers?).
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 6 minutes ago, Buce said: More on the leak: Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) One more thought on the #Brexit Economy analysis leaked to Buzzfeed.This was NOT from Treasury Or Team Hammond.This was DexEU analysis. A department captained by @DavidDavisMP - an arch Brexiteer. It comes from one of their own. As a warning to their own: tread softly. January 30, 2018 So not 'fake news' then - even the Brexiteers can see where we're headed. It's a prediction Buce, like any forecast is. The only thing we know about it is that it will be wrong, just a question of by how much, DexEU is the civil service, it's not a department that should be leant on by a minister to try and get a different result to what they want. As I say, why anyone would seriously get worried about economic forecasts for 15 years into the future is beyond me, we couldn't even get the forecasts for 2016 correctly in that year. I know I keep repeating it, but we were supposed to have (in the immediate aftermath of the vote) such low growth we are going into recession and have lost 500,000 jobs - we didn't because the prediction was wrong. No one has a clue what the state of the World's economy will be by time we leave transition, let alone a decade and a half away.
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, Alf Bentley said: Even Liam Fox is warning the Hard Brexiteers to moderate their expectations: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5328957/Liam-Fox-says-Brexiteers-live-disappointment.html I'll be interested to hear what Gove says, as he's shrewder than most of them. Seems to be keeping his head down for now. A couple of months back, he commented that, from his perspective, it might be a case of accepting a Soft Brexit and then working to make it Harder over coming years by winning electoral support for it (maybe Momentum could also advise him on how to deselect moderate backbenchers?). That seems the logical route forward, also bring Nigel Farage back onto the political scene to run his "movement" that would campaign for pro-Brexit MP's. A far better idea than a new party that could split the vote.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 4 hours ago, Webbo said: These are the same experts who told us we'd be in recession now. Even in their worse case scenario its 8% over 15 years, around 0.5% a year. We all accepted we might be slightly worse off in return for our freedom. No, it's 8% every year. If you get paid 50% less over 2 years you get paid 50% less both years.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 29 minutes ago, MattP said: It's a prediction Buce, like any forecast is. The only thing we know about it is that it will be wrong, just a question of by how much, DexEU is the civil service, it's not a department that should be leant on by a minister to try and get a different result to what they want. As I say, why anyone would seriously get worried about economic forecasts for 15 years into the future is beyond me, we couldn't even get the forecasts for 2016 correctly in that year. I know I keep repeating it, but we were supposed to have (in the immediate aftermath of the vote) such low growth we are going into recession and have lost 500,000 jobs - we didn't because the prediction was wrong. No one has a clue what the state of the World's economy will be by time we leave transition, let alone a decade and a half away. You're making the same arguments as John Redwood and IDS. The rest of us are aligned with the vast majority of MPs, the Lords, the Treasury, the boe, the world bank, the imf, the ifs, the wto etc etc etc. I know which side my money's on.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 39 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: It's just embarrassment after embarrassment for this shambles of a government now. Every day we're getting at least one and sometimes numerous things cropping up that demonstrate their supreme incompetence. It's no wonder Theresa May's face is permanently contorted into the shape of an owl, she can't be getting a wink of sleep at night. They've lost another court case UK mass digital surveillance regime ruled unlawful https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/uk-mass-digital-surveillance-regime-ruled-unlawful-appeal-ruling-snoopers-charter?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: You're making the same arguments as John Redwood and IDS. The rest of us are aligned with the vast majority of MPs, the Lords, the Treasury, the boe, the world bank, the imf, the ifs, the wto etc etc etc. I know which side my money's on. Same. These predictions are for 15 years time and they have already changed since before the referendum 18 months ago.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 hour ago, Voll Blau said: This - the rank fvcking hypocrisy of stuff like this - is what winds me up the most about the absolute shitshow we're going through. https://www.ft.com/content/110f57ee-02a3-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5 Can't read this past the paywall - what's it say?
Voll Blau Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Can't read this past the paywall - what's it say? Ah. Paywall wasn't up earlier. Same story here... Quote One of the biggest advocates of a hard Brexit has obtained a Maltese passport, the Financial Times reported. New Zealand-born billionaire Christopher Chandler is behind Legatum, the London based think-tank that emerged as one of the most vocal advocates for Britain’s departure from the single market and the customs union. The names of Mr Chandler, as well as Legatum's chief executive Mark Stoleson, and several of his family members appear on a list of individuals who became naturalised citizens of Malta in 2016, FT reported. Legatum Institute Foundation's charitable status has come under scrutiny following concerns over its “hard” Brexit stance and access to politicians. https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20180129/local/major-brexit-supporter-obtains-maltese-passport-ft.669224
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, Voll Blau said: Ah. Paywall wasn't up earlier. Same story here... https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20180129/local/major-brexit-supporter-obtains-maltese-passport-ft.669224 I'm convinced that there's a whole host of Brexiters short selling against the pound - this is similar to john redwoods advice in his other job.
Strokes Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: I'm convinced that there's a whole host of Brexiters short selling against the pound - this is similar to john redwoods advice in his other job. I’m sure their are crooks on all sides of the argument, you don’t have to look far to find them in the European Union do you?
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 13 minutes ago, MattP said: Same. These predictions are for 15 years time and they have already changed since before the referendum 18 months ago. Only yesterday you were telling us that the experts were dismissing Labour's plans. So which is it? Should we ignore experts as they're likely wrong about Brexit and labour. Or are they more likely to be right about Brexit and labour? You can't have it both ways. I want to know, from you, which it is.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, Strokes said: I’m sure their are crooks on all sides of the argument, you don’t have to look far to find them in the European Union do you? Or the rest of the world.
Strokes Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 8 minutes ago, toddybad said: I'm convinced that there's a whole host of Brexiters short selling against the pound - this is similar to john redwoods advice in his other job. Also I’m still waiting for you to answer my question on the impact of FOM on house prices. I know their has been a distraction but it’s as relevant now as ever.
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