Would you eat synthetic meat?

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

Well it won't be the same will it? Its like comparing orange juice to orange fanta. Ones natural and does you good ones full of chemicals and gives you diabetes.

I wouldn't be as certain on that as you are.

 

And since when can meat be likened to something "natural" that does you good all the time - heart disease statistics caused by OTT meat consumption tell their own story, after all.

 

Slightly offtopic for this post, but like some others here I don't get the "natural = good" argument in any case. Nature wants you to die of septicemia after being mauled by a bear just shy of your 30th birthday while your wife dies having given birth to your tenth kid, three of which are still alive and didn't die in infancy.

 

Scientific advancements - like this one - are the reason why our lives are much better than that, not emphasis on the "natural".

[Bobby Hundreds]

3 hours ago, Webbo said:

Not saying this is a bad thing but artificial meat can't be the same as real meat because lab grown meat has never walked or ran to build up muscle, it won't have eaten grass or leaves off a tree. Its bound to be different, whether its better or worse who knows?

You can grow muscle cells in culture. It really isn't different. What do you think the starting material is?

[Webbo]

Just now, Bobby Hundreds said:

You can grow muscle cells in culture. It really isn't different. What do you think the starting material is?

We've all got muscles but exercised muscles are different to slack muscles. 

[Webbo]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I wouldn't be as certain on that as you are.

 

And since when can meat be likened to something "natural" that does you good all the time - heart disease statistics caused by OTT meat consumption tell their own story, after all.

 

Slightly offtopic for this post, but like some others here I don't get the "natural = good" argument in any case. Nature wants you to die of septicemia after being mauled by a bear just shy of your 30th birthday while your wife dies having given birth to your tenth kid, three of which are still alive and didn't die in infancy.

 

Scientific advancements - like this one - are the reason why our lives are much better than that, not emphasis on the "natural".

I'm not necessarily against this. If you can make the same amount of beef as  fields of cows/bulls in a small factory then obviously that's a good thing. These things should be discussed though, if, for no other reason than, I thought it was interesting.

[Bobby Hundreds]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

We've all got muscles but exercised muscles are different to slack muscles. 

Nothing that some correctly formulated growth media wouldn't solve. 

[Carl the Llama]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

Well it won't be the same will it? Its like comparing orange juice to orange fanta. Ones natural and does you good ones full of chemicals and gives you diabetes.

Since when was fanta marketed as an orange juice alternative?  I must have missed that campaign.  

[bovril]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Time to hit the butchers.

He's not going to give you a good cut if you slap him ffs

[Guest MattP]

What worries me is they'll churn out some shite that tastes like the meat in a Big Mac and then start trying to morally crusade and force us into having this on our Sunday lunch despite it not being comparable to a proper joint.

[Bobby Hundreds]

3 hours ago, Webbo said:

Well it won't be the same will it? Its like comparing orange juice to orange fanta. Ones natural and does you good ones full of chemicals and gives you diabetes.

Natural orange juice is high in carbohydrates in fructose, another contributory factor towards T2 diabetes.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

What worries me is they'll churn out some shite that takes like the meat in a Big Mac and then start trying to morally crusade and force us into having this on our Sunday lunch despite is not being comparable to a joint.

I'm reasonably sure they've considered this; it's not like there aren't enough people who think the same as you on the topic, after all.

 

It is going to have to be indistinguishable to satisfy everyone, and I think that's possible. If it isn't, people will get to know pretty fast and they'll have to go back to the drawing board.

 

What worries me is them succeeding in this venture and then people still turning up their noses and picking "natural" meat for no other reason than ego.

[Stadt]

At first I was unsure but after reading this thread I've changed my mind, I absolutely would eat synthetic meat. Good arguments all round 

[Webbo]

9 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Since when was fanta marketed as an orange juice alternative?  I must have missed that campaign.  

You're trolling now Carl.

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm reasonably sure they've considered this; it's not like there aren't enough people who think the same as you on the topic, after all.

 

It is going to have to be indistinguishable to satisfy everyone, and I think that's possible. If it isn't, people will get to know pretty fast and they'll have to go back to the drawing board.

 

What worries me is them succeeding in this venture and then people still turning up their noses and picking "natural" meat for no other reason than ego.

If they can produce me a leg of lamb for 10 quid rather than 20 that is exactly the same no one will be turning a nose up at it.

 

Problem is I just don't see how they could ever match the taste or texture.

 

Also, how are we going to get that lovely smell for two hours that gets you in the mood for it?

[Bobby Hundreds]

https://www.impossiblefoods.com/burger/ I guess this could be classed as synthetic meat (more heme based plant meat) but I've only heard positive things from meat eaters.

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

You're trolling now Carl.

A little it's true.  But no more than suggesting that fanta and orange juice as substitute products.

[Finnaldo]

6 hours ago, Webbo said:

You're trolling now Carl.

 

He's got a point, Matt has as well though.

 

Personally, if there's no difference other than it's development, then why not? There's all kind of shite put into cheap to even certain 'quality' products. The only meat I doubt it can really replace are cuts of the highest quality, but then if this  should this come to replace the majority of cheap meat, does that not cover 80% of the industry? I'm sure if this was to truly take-off low-level cattle farming for quality cuts will still exist, and I'm that'll please both sides as those who want a good cut of beef can still acquire it and the cow population is still maintained.

[Webbo]

5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

A little it's true.  But no more than suggesting that fanta and orange juice as substitute products.

I was talking about feeding the lab meat real grass or chemicals that are like grass. I didn't pretend it was an exact comparison.

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I was talking about feeding the lab meat real grass or chemicals that are like grass. I didn't pretend it was an exact comparison.

No, but the conversation is about whether you'd eat lab meat if it was shown/claimed to have the same flavour/texture/nutritional qualities ie. saying they're substitutes for one another.  I don't think anybody's ever made that claim about fanta/OJ (and if they did they'd be laughed out the room), it's not a comparison at all, let alone an exact one.

 

I'm not sure if there is an exact comparison to be made but a more sensible example would be the difference between field-grown vegetables and those grown in a hydroponic greenhouse I guess, 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, MattP said:

If they can produce me a leg of lamb for 10 quid rather than 20 that is exactly the same no one will be turning a nose up at it.

 

Problem is I just don't see how they could ever match the taste or texture.

 

Also, how are we going to get that lovely smell for two hours that gets you in the mood for it?

I can still see people rejecting it, but then I'm perhaps more cynical about people being contrarian and/or snobbish about this. ("Why would we go for that awful substitute meat when you can have the real thing? Even though it looks and tastes the same...it's not right!")

 

Matching the exact taste and texture as well as the cooking smell will be difficult, no doubt...but I think they can and I hope they do.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I can still see people rejecting it, but then I'm perhaps more cynical about people being contrarian and/or snobbish about this. ("Why would we go for that awful substitute meat when you can have the real thing? Even though it looks and tastes the same...it's not right!")

 

Matching the exact taste and texture as well as the cooking smell will be difficult, no doubt...but I think they can and I hope they do.

Don't forget producing the fat for the roast potatoes as well. Very important. 

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Don't forget producing the fat for the roast potatoes as well. Very important. 

Shit I didn't even think of that, still with all the space saved by rendering most farms redundant we should be able to make plenty of room for goose production.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Shit I didn't even think of that, still with all the space saved by rendering most farms redundant we should be able to make plenty of room for goose production.

Only use Goose fat at Christmas, all other times you should use the fat from the meat of the roast, chicken aside.

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, MattP said:

Only use Goose fat at Christmas, all other times you should use the fat from the meat of the roast, chicken aside.

So buy it from the rich person farms  

[Webbo]

Goose fat is over rated. Beef dripping is best for roast potatoes. 

[Guest MattP]

9 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Goose fat is over rated. Beef dripping is best for roast potatoes. 

Beautiful. 

 

I'd love to have an old Victorian fire and be able to cook a goose next to it with the fat dripping onto the spuds below.

 

The smell and taste of that going for six hours must have been better than anything we can do now.