A defence of Matty James

[CollinsLCFC]

37 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

He's crap and has conned us out of God knows how much in wages.

Sorry that you are such a sensitive soul.

Considering the seriousness of his injuries that he has suffered, it's a very insensitive thing to say about any player. Don't forget they are human, and suffer physical and mental pain with such injuries, that could of potentially altered his career.

 

Personally me and a fair few others don't rate James as a starting player and would prefer if he wasn't in the lineup week after week, but to say you preferred him injured is just vile.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

2 minutes ago, CollinsLCFC said:

Considering the seriousness of his injuries that he has suffered, it's a very insensitive thing to say about any player. Don't forget they are human, and suffer physical and mental pain with such injuries, that could of potentially altered his career.

 

Personally me and a fair few others don't rate James as a starting player and would prefer if he wasn't in the lineup week after week, but to say you preferred him injured is just vile.

Get your point and should have phrased it a lot better than I did.

Of course I would not wish his injuries on him ... as I would any other fellow human being.

My point was that we are probably better off with him injured than him contending for a first team place

and taking up a spot that should be taken by someone better.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

48 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Get your point and should have phrased it a lot better than I did.

Of course I would not wish his injuries on him ... as I would any other fellow human being.

My point was that we are probably better off with him injured than him contending for a first team place

and taking up a spot that should be taken by someone better.

Don't justify the unjustifiable, that was a vile comment and you've rightly been called out for it. Pathetic coming from our own 'fans'

[Guest Col city fan]

On 3/5/2018 at 10:10, Babylon said:

 

This is our championship winning season and our first season in this league, his key creativity stats were higher than those of King and Drinkwater. James can be creative, he has good close control, is neat and tidy and can link up very well to create chances with quick short passes.

 

The thing is he's not being asked to, whether that's because the injury no longer allows him to or the manager no longer wants him to I don't know. As I said in the post above, he seems to be playing the role that Mendy played for Puel, which was just a lot of sitting and ticking the ball over and not much else.

Why didn't you put Cambiasso's stats up?

[RODNEY FERNIO]

47 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Don't justify the unjustifiable, that was a vile comment and you've rightly been called out for it. Pathetic coming from our own 'fans'

I despair of people like you. Ok lets gets a few more Matty James and enjoy watching them all in when we are in League One.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

24 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

I despair of people like you. Ok lets gets a few more Matty James and enjoy watching them all in when we are in League One.

Not the point, wishing injury on our own players is the complete opposite of a 'supporter', please feel free to go and get a Forest season ticket if that's the kind of 'support' you want to offer Leicester City players.

 

And for the record, James is far above League 1 standard, he was a standout player in the Championship and has held his own in the PL. We have better options now but saying you preferred it when he was injured is despicable.

Edited 6 March 2018 by Arriba Los Zorros

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Why didn't you put Cambiasso's stats up?

Because he didn't play in the championship, we only saw him for one season and people are saying Andy King is better. It would only upset you anyway as he was by far and away the most creative.

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

I despair of people like you. Ok lets gets a few more Matty James and enjoy watching them all in when we are in League One.

You see it's moronic comments like that which makes it hard for anyone to take your posting seriously.

[chicagofox]

Stats from a level we no longer play at and comparisons with two players who are currently not available for selection to Leicester City is relevant how? The answer is, it isn’t.

 

And if a Leicester City fan thinks Matty James (or any player) not being available for selection makes us a stronger team, they are perfectly entitled to that opinion. 

 

 

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, chicagofox said:

Stats from a level we no longer play at and comparisons with two players who are currently not available for selection to Leicester City is relevant how? The answer is, it isn’t.

 

And if a Leicester City fan thinks Matty James (or any player) not being available for selection makes us a stronger team, they are perfectly entitled to that opinion. 

 

 

It's relevant to the fact people said he's not creative, when he has been and has outperformed players who people would probably have wrongly presumed were our more creative players previously. It shows that he can be creative, which goes against certain points being levelled at him.

 

Someone said he offered nothing going forward, that hadn't always been the case. So again to muse whether that's because of his injury or because of the role he's being asked to play, is entirely reasonable.

 

How is any player being injured strengthening the team. Utter nonsensical rubbish.

Edited 7 March 2018 by Babylon

[chicagofox]

46 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It's relevant to the fact people said he's not creative, when he has been and has outperformed players who people would probably have wrongly presumed were our more creative players previously. It shows that he can be creative, which goes against certain points being levelled at him.

 

Someone said he offered nothing going forward, that hadn't always been the case. So again to muse whether that's because of his injury or because of the role he's being asked to play, is entirely reasonable.

 

How is any player being injured strengthening the team. Utter nonsensical rubbish.

I’m less interested in “had” and more interested in “is”. Maybe he had been creative and had offered something going forward. But right now he is not creative and he is not offering anything going forward.

 

 

[chicagofox]

52 minutes ago, Babylon said:

How is any player being injured strengthening the team. Utter nonsensical rubbish.

It isn’t nonsensical at all. If someone deems the selection of a player to weaken the team, it is a perfectly rational thought process that if said player is unavailable for selection it will strengthen the team. 

[jammie82uk]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

It's relevant to the fact people said he's not creative, when he has been and has outperformed players who people would probably have wrongly presumed were our more creative players previously. It shows that he can be creative, which goes against certain points being levelled at him.

 

Someone said he offered nothing going forward, that hadn't always been the case. So again to muse whether that's because of his injury or because of the role he's being asked to play, is entirely reasonable.

 

How is any player being injured strengthening the team. Utter nonsensical rubbish.

Stats for the league below are not relevant especially ones that are 4/5 years old

if they were then players like Jordan Rhodes and David Nugent would be playing for a top 10 team in the premier league 

[Babylon]

42 minutes ago, chicagofox said:

I’m less interested in “had” and more interested in “is”. Maybe he had been creative and had offered something going forward. But right now he is not creative and he is not offering anything going forward.

 

 

Perhaps you need to read the original post again that mused why that might be.

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Stats for the league below are not relevant especially ones that are 4/5 years old

if they were then players like Jordan Rhodes and David Nugent would be playing for a top 10 team in the premier league 

Those are also premier league stats you know. So it shows he outperformed our supposed attacking cm's in two different leagues.

[chicagofox]

15 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Perhaps you need to read the original post again that mused why that might be.

I don’t, thanks. And the reasons why are irrelevant. The fact is he is offering nothing to the team now. He’s not offering nothing in relation to Andy Ming, Danny Drinkwater, or any other ex player. He’s not offering nothing theee seasons ago in the Championship. He’s offering nothing now. And whatever the reason for that is is irrelevant. A player who offers nothing shouldn’t be playing.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

33 minutes ago, chicagofox said:

I don’t, thanks. And the reasons why are irrelevant. The fact is he is offering nothing to the team now. He’s not offering nothing in relation to Andy Ming, Danny Drinkwater, or any other ex player. He’s not offering nothing theee seasons ago in the Championship. He’s offering nothing now. And whatever the reason for that is is irrelevant. A player who offers nothing shouldn’t be playing.

Lets be honest though, you have a personal vendetta against Matty James. If you're posting on here, its to criticise him. Change the record, you're boring.

[chicagofox]

53 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Lets be honest though, you have a personal vendetta against Matty James. If you're posting on here, its to criticise him. Change the record, you're boring.

I don’t and I post on here on whatever topic I want. But go ahead and ignore the rational and cogent point that I made. And I’d prefer to stick to the topic in hand and not do personal insults.

[Albert]

Hes been a great servant for us, never let us down and I’ve nothing against the guy but the fact he’s playing ahead of Silva & Iborra is mind blowing. Throw all the stats u like about but those 2 players have performed consistently at the highest level, captained top European teams & bring bags of experience that should be helping us move onto the next level which was the reason the owners invested so heavily on them. The fact Iborra seems to of been binned for no reason & Silva’s hardly getting a look in is putting a big question mark over the managers head from the owners point of view

[Babylon]

7 hours ago, chicagofox said:

I don’t, thanks. And the reasons why are irrelevant. The fact is he is offering nothing to the team now. He’s not offering nothing in relation to Andy Ming, Danny Drinkwater, or any other ex player. He’s not offering nothing theee seasons ago in the Championship. He’s offering nothing now. And whatever the reason for that is is irrelevant. A player who offers nothing shouldn’t be playing.

If you don't find it relevant stop replying, the conversation had absolutely nothing to do with you and the point I made is perfectly relevant in relation to the posts I replied to, in need I remind you, a thread called "in defence of matty James".

 

If he's potentially no longer as creative as he was because of the instructions he's given, how on earth is that not relevant.

 

What's it's not is something you want to consider because it doesn't go along with your irrational hatred of him that was quite clear in the summer.

[Babylon]

8 hours ago, chicagofox said:

It isn’t nonsensical at all. If someone deems the selection of a player to weaken the team, it is a perfectly rational thought process that if said player is unavailable for selection it will strengthen the team. 

Anyone being injured reduces the strength  of the squad. Wishing people injured because a mangager doesn't pick a player you like is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here, coming just ahead of you attempting to defend it.

[HighPeakFox]

32 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Anyone being injured reduces the strength  of the squad. Wishing people injured because a mangager doesn't pick a player you like is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here, coming just ahead of you attempting to defend it.

I've tried being rational with this guy myself. Do not waste your energy sir.

[chicagofox]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

If you don't find it relevant stop replying, the conversation had absolutely nothing to do with you and the point I made is perfectly relevant in relation to the posts I replied to, in need I remind you, a thread called "in defence of matty James".

 

If he's potentially no longer as creative as he was because of the instructions he's given, how on earth is that not relevant.

 

What's it's not is something you want to consider because it doesn't go along with your irrational hatred of him that was quite clear in the summer.

This is an open forum and as such I will reply to any post/thread that I want to. Who are you to say what conversations are to do with whom?

 

One could argue your unwavering defence of a player with 3/4 year old stats who is clearly not of sufficient standard to play in the Premier League in 2018 is irrational. 

 

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Anyone being injured reduces the strength  of the squad. 

No it really doesn’t. It reduces the quantity of the squad but it does not necessarily reduce the quality or strength of it.

[Bazly]

I used to cringe when King was playing, cover my head with my hands and go why? Then it'd be explained that he was the last midfielder standing as all other options were unfit to take part. Now when I see James first choice on the team sheet ahead of some seriously talented footballers I cover my head with my hands and think, King; well he would be an obvious upgrade.

 

I'm hoping James will be sold in the Summer but fear he wont as Silva and Iborra will probably say they are bored and want off to somewhere sunnier. So we all better get used to James, marvel at his phenomenal pass stats and the deftness of the backward ball movement. Maybe he will actually score a goal one day but after 50 games of trying that looking like its never going to happen. He hasn't got the pace to surge forward. He hasn't got the pace to surge back. He cannot really tackle without having a better than average chance of giving a foul away. He jogs in a straight line up and down the pitch and won't touch the ball for long periods of the game, thats pretty unique for a central midfielder.

 

I can't see what he brings to the team other than pushing the defensive line back and further away from an isolated Vardy chasing the occasional punt against several and invariably much taller defenders. James not only doesn't score he has a tendency to drag the whole midfield line back towards our own goal making it harder for the team to score as well.

 

Defence over.

[Babylon]

On 3/8/2018 at 09:42, chicagofox said:

One could argue your unwavering defence of a player with 3/4 year old stats who is clearly not of sufficient standard to play in the Premier League in 2018 is irrational.

Unwavering defence? I've not picked him in any of my recent team predictions, I've said he's not been good enough for a couple of games. The stats were to show we did offer something in attack, again you're just completely ignoring the conversation to just have a go.

 

Clearly not of sufficient standard to play in the premier league? He was of sufficient standard to help the team lead at the emirates before he went off, to beat Brighton, beat Hudderfield, beat Watford, draw with Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Bournemouth all of which we dominated. We've not lost to a single team who finished outside last seasons top 7 with him in the team. Is he of sufficient standard for us to crack the top 7/8 on a regular basis, no he's probably not.  To suggest he can't play premier league football at any level is laughable.

 

On 3/8/2018 at 09:42, chicagofox said:

No it really doesn’t. It reduces the quantity of the squad but it does not necessarily reduce the quality or strength of it.

Yes it does, if Iborra and Silva get injured if James isn't there it means playnig Choudray, a lad not good enough to enough play for Burton Albion.

 

On 3/8/2018 at 09:42, chicagofox said:

This is an open forum and as such I will reply to any post/thread that I want to. Who are you to say what conversations are to do with whom?

And I'm free to tell you to **** off out of my conversation. I'll make this simple. You're on ignore.