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One step forward two steps backs

By northernfox321, in Leicester City Forum

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RumbleFox

RumbleFox

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2 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Please see my reply to Leicesterlad

I want a direct response else not listening.  I do not accept sloppy seconds in the forum based arena thank you very much.  I do have some standards.  X

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NotTheMarketLeader

NotTheMarketLeader

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2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Who are these people? Care to point them out, because all I see is a load of people willing to give him time because they can all see it's a work in progress and that with a very young team, there are going to be lots of ups and downs. I've not seen anyone not appreciating there are some issues.

 

What I see is a lot of people fighting back against over the top critisism of him. There is plenty of well rounded and fair critisism's on here that are accepted by most and they pass without comment more often than not.

You for one.

 

If you disagree on that please write an essay to prove the opposite to include Puel’s pts per game record here.

 

He is average at best considering the players at this disposal.

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Babylon

Babylon

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1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

You for one.

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

 

1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

He is average at best considering the players at this disposal.

What proof is there that these players are capable of any more? You can't in one breath slate the recruitment and then make out we've got some great squad. The two managers before him have got sacked for being in the bottom three. The league winning team has gone.

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leicesterlad1989

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2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

some people think Puel‘s performance in the last year is so fabulous that he can’t be criticised

My post was more in relation to your comment above. I don't think there's a fan out there who things Puel's performance has been fabulous in the last year. To even suggest than fans think that, is way off the mark. I think most fans have been very critical of certain decisions so far during his tenure.

 

12 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

My post is not particularly in relation to the the Wes situation in terms of the sending off - which  is going over the top - more to balance that which says Puel has no responsibility for players which he selects once they are on the pitch.

 

That view is nonsensical, he has total control over the team, is responsible for their behaviour and team results.

 

There is far more to criticise than not subbing Wes; why are we in the position of playing him in a role he is unsuited to when the manager has had two transfer windows would be one for starters. 

The manager and his staff must always take responsibility when it comes to team selection but he can't be fully responsible if one of your so called 'senior' players gets himself sent off. Hindsight is also a wonderful thing. Yes Puel should have subbed Morgan after his final warning but perhaps he wanted to show faith in his most senior player and captain. In the same respect he can't be responsible for the constant individual mistakes.

 

What he is responsible for is the repeat selection of the same individuals who are making mistakes and for that he deserves criticism. However, we are a work in progress. He's clearly see that Ricardo can operate better as a winger, which is a more polite way of saying he is shite at the back. Amartey is improving at right back. We have seen a re-emergence of Mendy. A solid start to the season by Chilwell, along with a future star in Maddison.  

 

I'm not even a massive fan of Puel but what really bugs me is that fans will criticise him when we lose but he get's no praise when we win.

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weller54

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6 minutes ago, leicesterlad1989 said:

My post was more in relation to your comment above. I don't think there's a fan out there who things Puel's performance has been fabulous in the last year. To even suggest than fans think that, is way off the mark. I think most fans have been very critical of certain decisions so far during his tenure.

 

The manager and his staff must always take responsibility when it comes to team selection but he can't be fully responsible if one of your so called 'senior' players gets himself sent off. Hindsight is also a wonderful thing. Yes Puel should have subbed Morgan after his final warning but perhaps he wanted to show faith in his most senior player and captain. In the same respect he can't be responsible for the constant individual mistakes.

 

What he is responsible for is the repeat selection of the same individuals who are making mistakes and for that he deserves criticism. However, we are a work in progress. He's clearly see that Ricardo can operate better as a winger, which is a more polite way of saying he is shite at the back. Amartey is improving at right back. We have seen a re-emergence of Mendy. A solid start to the season by Chilwell, along with a future star in Maddison.  

 

I'm not even a massive fan of Puel but what really bugs me is that fans will criticise him when we lose but he get's no praise when we win.

Possibly because it's rare we win and look impressive? 

mozartfox

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I find it amazing that no blame has been attached to Rachel for the Everton result. She appeared 3 to 4 times in the Match-day thread and created nothing. She should be binned off to Celtic and some new pin-up Beauty signed up PFQ.  Just make sure the new Beauty can speak English or she will be moved to the U23 match threads.

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leicesterlad1989

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15 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Possibly because it's rare we win and look impressive? 

Fair point but I'd say all the games we have won, we have been deserving winners overall. The games we have lost we could also have got more out of them.

 

Up until this weekend we had the best 'goals for' outside of the top 5. At times we have played some good football with very little reward. You could argue Vardy has missed a few good chances too. (Bournemouth, Huddersfield & Everton).

 

I still say he deserves a bit more time and I still believe he gets more unjust criticism than he deserves.

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Babylon

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24 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Possibly because it's rare we win and look impressive? 

Yet if we play well and lose, many of the the same people say it's about results and not performances. Can't have it both ways.

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NotTheMarketLeader

NotTheMarketLeader

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2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

 

What proof is there that these players are capable of any more? You can't in one breath slate the recruitment and then make out we've got some great squad. The two managers before him have got sacked for being in the bottom three. The league winning team has gone.

I understand that the PL win is long gone, that doesn’t mean we should not strive to do better,

or be better than we are at present. 

 

I do think we’ve got some good players, and I don’t think over this last year he has got the best out of what he’s got.

 

You obviously have ideas to the contrary.

 

??‍♂️

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Bunyip

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9 hours ago, Reg Vardy said:

If Wes had got a yellow,and not subsequently been sent off nobody would have passed comment.

It is Wes not Claude who was responsible for getting sent off.

Any manager would expect the player to manage the situation. Wes didn’t.

 

here we are with N’Didi, Gray, Maguire, Maddison, Chilwell, Ieanacho, Barnes to come back, the club (43 years) hasn’t been in a better place other than winning the league in my time. 7 players under 25 all internationals, all will improve.

FFS get off the Managers back and stop moaning and blaming him for others mistakes

I agree up to a point Reg. But for the fact, he did it few games ago and I saw at least twice after the first Yellow card the ref warn him to calm down. If I and most of the fans saw it why didn't Puel?

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Bunyip

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8 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

Do you ever get bored of being so over the top reactionary and negative?  Do you ever re-read your posts and think "shit, I thought I came across as a realist but I just sound boring?".  Nowhere did I say he didn't see it, merely that it was a big call and he got it wrong but to suggest that people cannot still learn new things and continue to improve is both mental and deeply depressing.  I know you want him gone, I know that I don't.  I may be wrong, I often am, but to get quite so angry with him over the Morgan thing seems a little childish.  I thought we were all adults, capable of reason and constructiveness?

Don't ever try to patronise me you are clearly not bright enough.

NotTheMarketLeader

NotTheMarketLeader

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3 hours ago, leicesterlad1989 said:

My post was more in relation to your comment above. I don't think there's a fan out there who things Puel's performance has been fabulous in the last year. To even suggest than fans think that, is way off the mark. I think most fans have been very critical of certain decisions so far during his tenure.

 

The manager and his staff must always take responsibility when it comes to team selection but he can't be fully responsible if one of your so called 'senior' players gets himself sent off. Hindsight is also a wonderful thing. Yes Puel should have subbed Morgan after his final warning but perhaps he wanted to show faith in his most senior player and captain. In the same respect he can't be responsible for the constant individual mistakes.

 

What he is responsible for is the repeat selection of the same individuals who are making mistakes and for that he deserves criticism. However, we are a work in progress. He's clearly see that Ricardo can operate better as a winger, which is a more polite way of saying he is shite at the back. Amartey is improving at right back. We have seen a re-emergence of Mendy. A solid start to the season by Chilwell, along with a future star in Maddison.  

 

I'm not even a massive fan of Puel but what really bugs me is that fans will criticise him when we lose but he get's no praise when we win.

He’s got a good set of players here, there is no way this sideways style of possession football with chances at a premium (2 shots on target again on Saturday) is the best way to utilise these players. Vardy saved his skin last season with the best chances to goals ratio in the league; he probably can’t reproduce that again playing alone up front.

 

Hes now playing Maddison out wide in order to shoehorn Ian into the team, Wes still starts. We can’t defend and chances the other end are few and far between. Add all this to last season’s bullshit and a year on I don’t see where the Claude love is coming from.

 

Many people were taking the piss out of Wolves fans a few weeks ago. I know which team I’d rather watch; their free flowing forward looking football any day over what old Claude brings to the table.

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RumbleFox

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2 hours ago, Bunyip said:

Don't ever try to patronise me you are clearly not bright enough.

OK, noted.  Thanks for the heads up, I wouldn't want to look foolish.  X

RumbleFox

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2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

He’s got a good set of players here, there is no way this sideways style of possession football with chances at a premium (2 shots on target again on Saturday) is the best way to utilise these players. Vardy saved his skin last season with the best chances to goals ratio in the league; he probably can’t reproduce that again playing alone up front.

 

Hes now playing Maddison out wide in order to shoehorn Ian into the team, Wes still starts. We can’t defend and chances the other end are few and far between. Add all this to last season’s bullshit and a year on I don’t see where the Claude love is coming from.

 

Many people were taking the piss out of Wolves fans a few weeks ago. I know which team I’d rather watch; their free flowing forward looking football any day over what old Claude brings to the table.

I am not trying to be obtuse here, I wish to engage with your points properly.........

 

Regarding the highlighted section, what do you mean by the word "again"?  This is only the second time all season we have had 2 shots on target, we tend to average 5 or six and on a couple of occasions have had 8-12.

 

With regards to the "can't defend" bit, we are dead bang in the middle of the table in terms of goals conceded and in terms of good chances conceded to the opposition (ones which you would "expect" them to score from), only three teams have allowed fewer.

 

The Maddison question is fair enough but at the same time he is still trying to bed in new players.

 

Your point regarding Vardy seems a little backwards in terms of its logic.  Vardy has missed a lot of chances this season, ones we would usually expect him to score so if anything any "blame" could be targeted at him (by the way I am not blaming him, I think he just needs to get up to speed).

 

I am not for one moment suggesting that we yet look amazing or are playing great football but I do think it is unfair to criticise Puel too much as I think we are heading the right way.  We have a young team so we are likely to be inconsistent and the "possession/passy" football is something which is a long term project and is demonstrably more sustainable than the "hit 'em on the break" style which won us the league.  If you look at the top teams in all the top divisions in the world then most have more possession than their opposition.  If you do not like it on a personal, subjective level that is fair enough but there is nothing intrinsically "better" or "worse" about possession based football compared with the style you may prefer to watch.

 

We'll see, Puel may very well fail but I have seen enough to think he deserves our support and a little more patience and good grace from fans than he has received so far.

 

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UpTheLeagueFox

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21 hours ago, leicesterlad1989 said:

I'd say all the games we have won, we have been deserving winners overall. The games we have lost we could also have got more out of them.

Huddersfield and Newcastle yes. Wolves and Southampton no. Certainly not Wolves.

We could've got a draw out of ManU, Liverpool and Everton. I would disagree on Bournemouth.

 

18 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Many people were taking the piss out of Wolves fans a few weeks ago. I know which team I’d rather watch; their free flowing forward looking football any day over what old Claude brings to the table.

Wolves are enjoyable to watch as a neutral. I was working at Molineux for the Burnley game, they created 30 chances and should've won by a much bigger margin than one goal.

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