Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 That what I was trying or wanted to say in the first place but thought it'd be below the belt, obviously not! This is probably racist but i'm gonna say it anyway, I was watching the national news last night and there were about 4 or 5 main headlines on the news, 3 of the stories involved rasist hate, and it also included indians, other religions, e.t.c, and its not just coincidence, As christians living in England it is US becoming a minority! England where christianity is supposed to be the main religion we are becoming the minority! Oh for ****s sake that is clearly wrong. How can you say that? Christians far and away outnumber non-Christians in this country, get a grip. Just because they don't make much noise about events it doesn't mean they are in a minority. This whole thing is pretty stupid - the stamp should not have been designed like that in the first place (esp. considering it is used on mail sent to India) but it's quite petty anyway. Besides, I don't know if you can choose to buy it or not - the last time I went to a post office to post a letter abroad I didn't have a choice as to what stamp they used.
Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 ...and anyway, all this talk about racism. Where does it even say that Hindus are complaining that this stamp is racist? All it says is the stamp is insensitive to Hindus, which is a fair argument considering the stamps are used to send mail to India. I don't know why people have jumped on the racism bandwagon, Hindus are not saying that the stamp is racist. Read the article properly!
Deathside Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Not meaning to be racist or anything, but this is ENGLAND and the main religion is CHRISTIAN, and if they have a problem with any aspects of our religion, then they should twaddle off down to Heathrow or Gatwick I have a problem with most aspects of your religion - Just packing my case now I got to Heathrow but then didn't know where I was going Please enlighten me Mr City Fan - Because I do have a problem with aspects of your religion where exactly am I supposed to go?
shen Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 And another thing, I think that cancelling all Santas in Birmingham (which they have done because someone complained) insults my religion. What the **** has Santa got to do with Christianity?!?
Alexikokopops Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 People sit there saying it's stupid, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of people saying that aren't, I imagine, religious in the slightest. I imagine strong Christians would have a word to say if there were stamps done with Jesus worship Ganesha or something of the like, and just because Hindus are a minority in comparison to Christians in this country it doesn't mean we can't show a bit of respect for a different religion. If I was a strong Hindu I imagined I'd be a bit pissed at the stamp, especially since it'd be used to send stuff to India. A bit of common sense is all it'd take to, I dunno, not print a stamp which is blatently gonna piss a few people off, and understandably so. People sit there and say stuff like "if they have a problem with any aspects of our religion, then they should twaddle off down to Heathrow or Gatwick" and that Christmas is going to be cancelled, when the article has NOTHING TO DO WITH HINDUS SLATING CHRISTIANITY, it's almost as though people want to sit here and slate minority groups and will find any excuse to do so. It's almost as stupid as when people sit there and say we're becoming the minority. Get a ****' grip, over 92% of people in England are white and under 6% of people aren't Christian or not religious. Feckin' eejits. And I'm spent.
moseeds Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Well said Alex. Completely agree with people looking for arguments where none exist. The truth is people of other religions don't spend their days complaining or moaning about things they may find slightly offensive. The country isn't becoming non-Christian. The country isn't becoming non-White. And yes we should respect all other belief systems with due respect and sincerity. Without mutual respect societys degenerate into chaos quite rapidly.
Rincewind Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 It seems like it was bad research by the designers and Royal Mail. As a non-Hindu I could say that I see nothing wrong with the stamp. But as it at a price that will most likely go abroad and seen by relatives of Hindus in this country having a picture that could be misinterpetted is not very clever. Would it have been too much trouble to put the suggestions of designs to an indepentent committee made up of various groups and religions There is no getting AWAy from the fact that we are a multi-cultual society and it would be better to all get along than upsetting people. The story however may, as it usually is with certain newspapers, been blown out of proportion. The number of people objecting to the stamp may be very few. The story has once again brought forward the racist element in people even though they ' I am not racist but' Maybe if we looked at it from a Hindus POV things might look different. It has nothing to do with them wanting to convert Christians or telling the majoRitY what to do.
stulcfc Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Not meaning to be racist or anything, but this is ENGLAND and the main religion is CHRISTIAN, and if they have a problem with any aspects of our religion, then they should twaddle off down to Heathrow or Gatwick. I lived in the Middle East for a couple of years and I never complained about anything "insulting my religion" because I realised that Christianity is not the main religion there. verry well put
Cat Burger Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 I agree with what most people have said about the design of the stamp asking for trouble. What I think, is that it is supposed to be representative of racial harmony...Just by reading this thread you can see there is not, nor will there ever be racial harmony in this country! I personally do not understand religion, it has been used to control people since humans EVOLVED our maleficient brains. From the Crusades to the Gulf an excuse to pilfer, rape and murder. I see religious folk as fools but that is just me, this worries me because it makes me appear fascist and I'm not. I get so angry, I don't want to appear like I discriminate, I don't because I just bloody hate everything! Rant over, I need a cob
shen Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 I agree with what most people have said about the design of the stamp asking for trouble. What I think, is that it is supposed to be representative of racial harmony...Just by reading this thread you can see there is not, nor will there ever be racial harmony in this country! I personally do not understand religion, it has been used to control people since humans EVOLVED our maleficient brains. From the Crusades to the Gulf an excuse to pilfer, rape and murder. I see religious folk as fools but that is just me, this worries me because it makes me appear fascist and I'm not. I get so angry, I don't want to appear like I discriminate, I don't because I just bloody hate everything! Rant over, I need a cob The frustration is just oozing out of you I can understand your point of view. I share your view on religion being a mean of control, but I wouldn't go as far as thinking religious people are fools. It gives some of them hope and belief and gives them some ethical values to live their life by. I find people worshipping religion/Gods fools, yes, as I feel they've lost touch with reality somewhere.
Cat Burger Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 The frustration is just oozing out of you I can understand your point of view. I share your view on religion being a mean of control, but I wouldn't go as far as thinking religious people are fools. It gives some of them hope and belief and gives them some ethical values to live their life by. I find people worshipping religion/Gods fools, yes, as I feel they've lost touch with reality somewhere. Thank you Shen, but I still maintain that the word 'fool' is a good choice. People are, in my opinion, fooled by an idea which doesn't exist! But yes it does give them hope and belief, a world full of hateful gits like me wouldn't work?
cisono Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Whats everyone's thought on this? ... I can see how the couple clearly have traditional Hindu markings... but cannot as clearly see that they are portrayed to be worshipping baby Jesus? They are just holding a non-Hindu/white baby from what I can see... what's wrong with that...
Hullfox Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 If number 68 has offended some, I can't wait for 69.
Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 ' date='Nov 5 2005, 02:44 PM' post='208697']People sit there saying it's stupid, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of people saying that aren't, I imagine, religious in the slightest. I imagine strong Christians would have a word to say if there were stamps done with Jesus worship Ganesha or something of the like, and just because Hindus are a minority in comparison to Christians in this country it doesn't mean we can't show a bit of respect for a different religion. If I was a strong Hindu I imagined I'd be a bit pissed at the stamp, especially since it'd be used to send stuff to India. A bit of common sense is all it'd take to, I dunno, not print a stamp which is blatently gonna piss a few people off, and understandably so. People sit there and say stuff like "if they have a problem with any aspects of our religion, then they should twaddle off down to Heathrow or Gatwick" and that Christmas is going to be cancelled, when the article has NOTHING TO DO WITH HINDUS SLATING CHRISTIANITY, it's almost as though people want to sit here and slate minority groups and will find any excuse to do so. It's almost as stupid as when people sit there and say we're becoming the minority. Get a ****' grip, over 92% of people in England are white and under 6% of people aren't Christian or not religious. Feckin' eejits. And I'm spent. Top post Alex
Muz Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 If they dont like it. They should frig back to where it is they're from. Just my opinion.
Bert Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Christians are in a no win situation here, if they have a go at hindus for saying things about this stamp, they're being racist, but if they dont say anything then this stamp that want to send beacuse they are celebrating a festival may stopped getting printed. It'd be a lot different if this kind of fuss was kicked up in their country ALL IN MY OPINION.
Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Christians are in a no win situation here, if they have a go at hindus for saying things about this stamp, they're being racist, but if they dont say anything then this stamp that want to send beacuse they are celebrating a festival may stopped getting printed. ALL IN MY OPINION. Does that even make sense?
Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 If they dont like it. They should frig back to where it is they're from. Just my opinion. So if I don't like it I should go back to India? I was born here and have just as much right to live here as you do. Sorry Muz but that comment is just out of line. There is freedom to express yourself and Hindus aren't being racist for pointing out the insensitive nature of this stamp.
Bert Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Does that even make sense? Not worded the best there, i meant, if hindus kick up a fuss about the stamp and christains didnt say anything because they don't want to be branded racist, then the stamp may get stopped being printed because of this.
Anish Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Not worded the best there, i meant, if hindus kick up a fuss about the stamp and christains didnt say anything because they don't want to be branded racist, then the stamp may get stopped being printed because of this. Not really a big deal if the stamp stopped being printed. I don't understand why they print stupid designs on stamps anyway. It's pointless and a waste of money. Stick with the Queen's head and you can't go wrong.
Bert Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 So if I don't like it I should go back to India? I was born here and have just as much right to live here as you do. Sorry Muz but that comment is just out of line. There is freedom to express yourself and Hindus aren't being racist for pointing out the insensitive nature of this stamp. But the thing is it is a christian celebration, how many christians moan when roads are being closed for Diwali, Or when any other religious festival is going on that doesn't concern them. This is a stamp, Hindus dont have to send it if they dont want to, im sure there are plenty of other stamps about.
davieG Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Let's have some perspective here, there are people dying unecessarily all over the world from natural disasters, wars, desease etc, etc and people are getting pissed off over a postage stamp. I'm not a particualarly religeous person but I was raised as a Christian in a Church of England Childrens Home and regularly attended both church and Sunday School and that stamp seems to have no less significance to Christian Christmas than Santa Claus and Christmas Trees - it's been produced for exactly the same reason as them to make money for the post office or whoever from stamp collectors so let's just accept they made a mistake and get on with the more important things in our lives that all serious religions should be doing like families, friends, humanity in general, all living creatures and the environment - everything else is materialistic hogwash.
Head Honcho Posted 5 November 2005 Posted 5 November 2005 Let's have some perspective here, there are people dying unecessarily all over the world from natural disasters, wars, desease etc, etc and people are getting pissed off over a postage stamp. I'm not a particualarly religeous person but I was raised as a Christian in a Church of England Childrens Home and regularly attended both church and Sunday School and that stamp seems to have no less significance to Christian Christmas than Santa Claus and Christmas Trees - it's been produced for exactly the same reason as them to make money for the post office or whoever from stamp collectors so let's just accept they made a mistake and get on with the more important things in our lives that all serious religions should be doing like families, friends, humanity in general, all living creatures and the environment - everything else is materialistic hogwash. Nuff Said
Thracian Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 Yes and all the signs at the Cheddar Gorge Museum have been changed from BC - "Before Christ" to BP (Before President or Before Petrol or something obscure) in the name of political correctness. Those who've complained about the original signs are being listened to far more than those who've complained about the latest signs. But then, what's new? Ever got the feeling you are being sold out?
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