Scow Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 Is anyone else getting fed up with this tactical ploy by Levein? Fair enough, if it's not working, change it. However, Levein seems to like switching wingers a number of times throughout a game, which causes problems. First of all, it doesn't help strike a relationship with a full back. This affects the teams ability to attack and defend as a unit. When Smith swapped with Sylla to go on the right, it was the first time this season that the former had played with Maybury on the right side. Secondly, it affects the balance of a team. If you have wingers who cut inside constantly, it makes it easier for the opposition to defend as they can anticipate what they're going to do. It's easier to defend an inswinging cross from open play than an outswinging one. There was one example at Preston when Hamill and Sylla swapped and it almost cost us a goal. Both the players in question swapped flanks, then Preston swung a ball in to the box, which saw one of their strikers up against Hamill at the back post - thankfully Douglas saved the effort and we got away with it. What does everyone else think of this?
Bert Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 Is anyone else getting fed up with this tactical ploy by Levein? Fair enough, if it's not working, change it. However, Levein seems to like switching wingers a number of times throughout a game, which causes problems. First of all, it doesn't help strike a relationship with a full back. This affects the teams ability to attack and defend as a unit. When Smith swapped with Sylla to go on the right, it was the first time this season that the former had played with Maybury on the right side. Secondly, it affects the balance of a team. If you have wingers who cut inside constantly, it makes it easier for the opposition to defend as they can anticipate what they're going to do. It's easier to defend an inswinging cross from open play than an outswinging one. There was one example at Preston when Hamill and Sylla swapped and it almost cost us a goal. Both the players in question swapped flanks, then Preston swung a ball in to the box, which saw one of their strikers up against Hamill at the back post - thankfully Douglas saved the effort and we got away with it. What does everyone else think of this? I think it's Leviens team, he can do what he wants.
Libertine Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 The only team that can do it successfully is Chelski.
Scow Posted 6 November 2005 Author Posted 6 November 2005 I think it's Leviens team, he can do what he wants. Thanks for that amazingly, incisive insight.
Bert Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 Thanks for that amazingly, incisive insight. you asked what everyone thinks, this is what i think
breadandcheese Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 I agree 100% with you Scowy. It's not quite out of the school of David Pleat style management, but pretty close. We were warned by the Hearts fans that Levein would try it. At least we only try it to mix things up when we're struggling to break down teams. For that, I don't necessarily fault Levein for trying. Not what I would choose to do, but then that's not to say I'm right.
Scow Posted 6 November 2005 Author Posted 6 November 2005 you asked what everyone thinks, this is what i think I half expected replies which would actually add something to the thread.
Bert Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 I half expected replies which would actually add something to the thread. well it added your unecessary moaning. i simply added what i thought of what you said.
Thracian Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 It's the fans team too and if the fans don't like what they see they can say so. Broadly you're right. I've said in another thread how important partnerships are in a team. Swopping flanks should be an occasional ploy - and then only when it's been practiced in training. If a winger is having particular difficulty against his marker then there may be a case for swopping over completely but constant changing is likely to be more disruptive to the flow of your own team than to the defensive system of the opposition. Variety from wing play comes from the different methods of attack, crosses swung in, crosses swung out, low balls into the box, high balls, fast/slower etc. Smith apart, our wing play is unimaginative, as is the method of attacking any crosses that do come in. Furthermore there is no real excuse for this with the amount of video evidence available on people who can do these jobs properly. First requisite of wing play though is to make genuine width. Make space for yourself and others. Narrowing the space strangles any attack. Only when attacks have broken down might the winger track back and narrow the space in his covering role. Hammill does this well but, sadly, he is not consistently penetrative enough in his main duties as an attacker.
moseeds Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 I half expected replies which would actually add something to the thread. Next you'll be asking for the World
Scow Posted 6 November 2005 Author Posted 6 November 2005 well it added your unecessary moaning. i simply added what i thought of what you said. Well done, keep up the good work.
Hullfox Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 I think it's almost Sunday League strategy. It baffles me why it happens. There's no element of surprise except as you say for our defence.
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 November 2005 Posted 6 November 2005 I think it's almost Sunday League strategy. It baffles me why it happens. There's no element of surprise except as you say for our defence. As I was sat next to you Jase on Saturday what did I say to You? I dont understand why they have switched wings again. what did you say back? probs the depth of Leviens tatics. at the back he has it basically sussed (apart from LB postion) going foward ppfffff Switching wingers...........It offers nothing, instead of going wide the wingers just cut inside, in the direction their natural foot takes them. and occasional have a shot, leading to nothing.
Hullfox Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 As I was sat next to you Jase on Saturday what did I say to You? I dont understand why they have switched wings again. what did you say back? probs the depth of Leviens tatics. at the back he has it basically sussed (apart from LB postion) going foward ppfffff Switching wingers...........It offers nothing, instead of going wide the wingers just cut inside, in the direction their natural foot takes them. and occasional have a shot, leading to nothing. I reckon if Levein catches Bird Flu, me and you should stand in MP.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 I reckon if Levein catches Bird Flu, me and you should stand in MP. I reckon if Syalla and Smith Catch Bird Flu me and u should switch wings!!
SystonFox Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 I reckon if Syalla and Smith Catch Bird Flu me and u should switch wings!! lmfao nice reply
Ric Flair Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 To be honest while Nissa is playing at left back there's never going to be any support for the player who's playing on the left wing. I thought Sylla was brilliant in the first 10 mins and Smith was magical whenever the other players gave him the ball. What annoyed the shit out of me on saturday as it did the previous saturday aswell was that the players don't seem to realise Smith is our only consistent threat to the opposition and they don't give him the ball that much. I like the idea of swapping wingers if you've got two adaptable wingers, Smith can play well on either wing as he showed. Sylla isn't as good on the left and it showed. Something needs to be done about our attacking play and i'm sure it will, we had problems with our defence and it has been sorted. I expect the same to happen upfront. Elvis was shocking on saturday and Hume showed in a few minutes why he's our most dangerous striker.
Stuliasz Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 To be honest, I quite like it. I know its unorthodox and can cause the problems that have been stated before now, but I think it was noticeable that both wingers were getting a lot more space on the right wing and to give both of them a go in each position seemed to work well as I thought they both worked well there in bursts.
IDEA OR IKEA Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 To be honest, I quite like it. I know its unorthodox and can cause the problems that have been stated before now, but I think it was noticeable that both wingers were getting a lot more space on the right wing and to give both of them a go in each position seemed to work well as I thought they both worked well there in bursts. Why not instead of swapping wings - both players play on one wing and then the other - that would confuse everyone!
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 Why not instead of swapping wings - both players play on one wing and then the other - that would confuse everyone! How about if the fullbacks swap over the Center backs run the midfield the 5 man midfield play up front with De Vries at the back, then Rab can switch with Levien.
Guest Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 Was Sylla playing on any wing on Saturday? He looked all over the place, and never the right one to me.
Chimp Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 How about if the fullbacks swap over the Center backs run the midfield the 5 man midfield play up front with De Vries at the back, then Rab can switch with Levien. How about Levein switch with me, he can go sit in the South Stand while I orchestrate a 5-0 hammering from the technical area. I agree with Thracian on this one, swapping wingers is a tactic to use occassionaly and only if it's been practised in training. IMO, it's not a good tactic to have them take up those positions for the majority of the second half, ffs.
IDEA OR IKEA Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 How about Levein switch with me, he can go sit in the South Stand while I orchestrate a 5-0 hammering from the technical area. I agree with Thracian on this one, swapping wingers is a tactic to use occassionaly and only if it's been practised in training. IMO, it's not a good tactic to have them take up those positions for the majority of the second half, ffs. what about a 3-3-2-1-1 formation and F*** the wings
Anish Posted 7 November 2005 Posted 7 November 2005 How about if the fullbacks swap over the Center backs run the midfield the 5 man midfield play up front with De Vries at the back, then Rab can switch with Levien. Now that's what I call total football
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