Transforming Leicester City

[Collymore]

I'm not sure how we compare to other clubs but it does feel like we stick to the same people and processes for a long time. 

 

Thinks of these areas:

 

Youth setup - despite numerous managerial reigns and moving training grounds, it's the 'same old' frustrations that seem have been happening for decades. 

 

GK coaching - it feels like Stowell has had the gig before the man stepped on the moon. Ward is so bad that you have to question if the methods, coaching and awareness of ability needed for this level has slipped.

 

DOF - feels like Rudders has been in the role forever now. Ridiculously large inappropriate contracts being handed out, questionable player acquisitions, laughing stock school boy errors (think Silva!)

 

I'm not saying that there hasn't been positives, I mean we have won the league and FA cup, been on a Champions League campaign and improved the infrastructure of the club to new levels. Perhaps all of this  though has made us even more less focused to change things. 

 

I do question if it is human nature to just stagnate when something is done the same way for so long. Are we aware of this and as a club making sure we're always looking to improve when the same people have been there so long? 

 

I find it interesting also that no managerial reign has either wanted to or been allowed to drive new ideas in these areas. 

 

[themightyfin]

I would argue Stowell has played a massive part in the development of Kasper to improve him from an average keeper to an outstanding one at international level who won major honours with us along the way.

He can only work with what he had and if Ward don't cut it at this level then it not his fault. 

 

As for Rudkin I would also argue he has been instrumental in securing ling term contracts over the years for players such as 

Kasper

Fuchs

Morgan 

Evans 

Ricardo 

Maddison 

Tielemans 

Mahrez 

KDH

Vardy

Barnes

Chilwell 

Maguire 

 

Ect ect the list is endless 

And obtaining some real bargains on the transfer market alimg the way.

 

Also winning major honours along the way with titles and Cup wins .

 

It's easy to focus on the negatives when times are tough.

 

Football swings in roundabouts roll with the punches.

Good Times come along with the bad. 

All part of football.

Many many clubs across the land would still swop their situation for the solid infrastructure we have at the club.

 

Pinning the blame on a couple of individuals when times are hard is easy. 

 

The hard part being a fan is backing your club through and through whatever happens. 

[UHDrive]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

I'm not sure how we compare to other clubs but it does feel like we stick to the same people and processes for a long time. 

 

Thinks of these areas:

 

Youth setup - despite numerous managerial reigns and moving training grounds, it's the 'same old' frustrations that seem have been happening for decades. 

 

GK coaching - it feels like Stowell has had the gig before the man stepped on the moon. Ward is so bad that you have to question if the methods, coaching and awareness of ability needed for this level has slipped.

 

DOF - feels like Rudders has been in the role forever now. Ridiculously large inappropriate contracts being handed out, questionable player acquisitions, laughing stock school boy errors (think Silva!)

 

I'm not saying that there hasn't been positives, I mean we have won the league and FA cup, been on a Champions League campaign and improved the infrastructure of the club to new levels. Perhaps all of this  though has made us even more less focused to change things. 

 

I do question if it is human nature to just stagnate when something is done the same way for so long. Are we aware of this and as a club making sure we're always looking to improve when the same people have been there so long? 

 

I find it interesting also that no managerial reign has either wanted to or been allowed to drive new ideas in these areas. 

 

To practically deal with the areas you've highlighted and which I agree with, it can only be properly implemented from a change in leadership at the top, by removing the next key chess peices I.e Susan whelan and Rudkin.

[Happy Fox]

There is room for improvement for sure but right now the only change we need to make is the manager. For the attention of The Chairman; please sack Rodgers!

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

I find it interesting also that no managerial reign has either wanted to or been allowed to drive new ideas in these areas. 

 

.... Rodgers's remit was to overhaul the whole setup, top to bottom!!!

We have moved things on a bit, but nowhere near as far as it needs to go. The Academy has now become age-appropriate, and players should no longer be having to wait to go on loan when they are 22 years old, we really let them down in that respect.

  As a goal Keeping Coach it is hard to evaluate Stowell in what he brings, and if you look to Danny ward it is an indictment against Stowell, that his performances have been so poor. The only mitigating reason would be as a #2, he would not be getting any real game time to hone his skills, and to learn to marshal defenses, he is in effect learning on the job at this moment. How many #2s become #1s?

  Failure to reach the Champions League has prevented us from pushing forward, which would have led to the players being energized and competing hard for places, that only helps to move us forward and we may have had one or two players coming in, who would have stepped into the first team and made us a stronger team.

  Rudkin is Top's right-hand man, very much there for the future and I suspect he has made errors in procurement, but all endorsed from above him.

[Collymore]

1 hour ago, themightyfin said:

I would argue Stowell has played a massive part in the development of Kasper to improve him from an average keeper to an outstanding one at international level who won major honours with us along the way.

He can only work with what he had and if Ward don't cut it at this level then it not his fault. 

 

As for Rudkin I would also argue he has been instrumental in securing ling term contracts over the years for players such as 

Kasper

Fuchs

Morgan 

Evans 

Ricardo 

Maddison 

Tielemans 

Mahrez 

KDH

Vardy

Barnes

Chilwell 

Maguire 

 

Ect ect the list is endless 

And obtaining some real bargains on the transfer market alimg the way.

 

Also winning major honours along the way with titles and Cup wins .

 

It's easy to focus on the negatives when times are tough.

 

Football swings in roundabouts roll with the punches.

Good Times come along with the bad. 

All part of football.

Many many clubs across the land would still swop their situation for the solid infrastructure we have at the club.

 

Pinning the blame on a couple of individuals when times are hard is easy. 

 

The hard part being a fan is backing your club through and through whatever happens. 

This is a good post and I agree with it but do you not think success can breed complacency as well? I suppose reading my post back it sounds like I want everyone replaced, I don't want that but I do want to question what systems are in place to to allow us to evolve and progress.

[Monk]

We have a good enough squad to be doing much better than we are.

 

However the wage structure is clearly a problem, and so we will need to move on some players, but that won't be easy as they will be asking for unreasonable wages at their next club and we will probably be asking for unreasonable transfer fees.

 

Our main problems seem to be 

- conceding soft goals

- a decreased ability to score

 

Both could be solved by the manager. I still think he will get until the world cup to start turning this around.

 

Given we have two wing backs we really should be playing 3 at the back. I'd prefer the third to be Cags, but if it's big Dan, it's still better than playing two center backs one of whom is extremely slow. 

 

Defending corners we HAVE to have our center backs marking the oppositions most dangerous players - a task that seems to be left to Castagne who is not physical enough to do so.

 

Drop Ndidi - he is not willing to make the tackles to protect the center backs.

 

I think that covers all 6 goals we conceded at Spurs.

 

Going forwards we are strong on the wings, but we never push our wing backs to the byline to get the ball in, we always stop by the edge of the box and pass infield. If we want to score more, we need to be getting more balls into the box.

 

Long story short I think we have the tools we need,and it is going to be a wait and see job to find out if Brendan is willing to change tactics, create more chances and drop underperforming players.

 

Oh yeah, and drop Ward.

 

 

[Houdini Logic]

I used to doubt Stowell, Rudkin et al, but they've all clearly proven themselves to be able to build, run and contribute towards a Premier League winning team.

 

The only variable is the manager and his cohort.

(Potentially recruitment too but IMO it's not the quality of players that's the issue)

[sacreblueits442]

21 minutes ago, Monk said:

We have a good enough squad to be doing much better than we are.

 

However the wage structure is clearly a problem, and so we will need to move on some players, but that won't be easy as they will be asking for unreasonable wages at their next club and we will probably be asking for unreasonable transfer fees.

 

....about 10 player contracts coming to an end at the end of this season!!!

The wage structure can be a point for restructuring.

[deep blue]

An interesting discussion.  Sacrebleu said that Rodgers's remit was to overhaul everything.  I'd like him to say where he came up with that assertion;  how true is it?

 

If that's the case then I think we chose completely the wrong man, and the resulting chaos shows that clearly.  We needed someone with the clear vision and confidence of Pearson to give such a responsibility to.  In any case, the responsibility to overhaul processes should ideally lie with a director of football, not a manager;  a manager deals more with the day to day stuff than the overall strategy.

 

As for Whelan and Rudkin - they have served us very well but you do wonder whether staying in the same job for so many years is usual in any business.  There is a danger of complacency and staleness setting in. 

 

More questions than answers,but I do feel that,  irrespective of the larger and more strategic problems within the club, our performances would improve with a new manager. Under Rodgers the feeling is that his tenancy has somehow seen all aspects of the squad and team deteriorate.

[Clever Fox]

On 25/09/2022 at 15:02, deep blue said:

An interesting discussion.  Sacrebleu said that Rodgers's remit was to overhaul everything.  I'd like him to say where he came up with that assertion;  how true is it?

 

If that's the case then I think we chose completely the wrong man, and the resulting chaos shows that clearly.  We needed someone with the clear vision and confidence of Pearson to give such a responsibility to.  In any case, the responsibility to overhaul processes should ideally lie with a director of football, not a manager;  a manager deals more with the day to day stuff than the overall strategy.

 

As for Whelan and Rudkin - they have served us very well but you do wonder whether staying in the same job for so many years is usual in any business.  There is a danger of complacency and staleness setting in. 

 

More questions than answers,but I do feel that,  irrespective of the larger and more strategic problems within the club, our performances would improve with a new manager. Under Rodgers the feeling is that his tenancy has somehow seen all aspects of the squad and team deteriorate.

You do realize that Whelan is the Brains behind all KPs success. There's no way she's going anywhere. She's a highly decorated CEO than many of the biggest Companies would love to have on Board. I'm sure top relies on her more than ever right now. But she's not a Football person in that she didn't grow up within the game like Karen Brady.

I think Brendan might have been told to reorganize the football side of things. That's Coaching within the club and schedules for Seagrave.

If that's the case it was a poor judgement call. Brendan is a poor judge of players and and lacks the motivational skills of Oneill or Ranieri.

 

If the Club feel they need someone to oversee the Football side of the Club then there's nobody better than Nigel.

 

The planning seems to be that Brendan is here for the long hall, But now that the team are struggling it's all unravelling a bit.

I feel results over the next few games will make or break his tenure here.