Banning orders for Class A drug offenses

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

4 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

I think the point was that, yet again, football's being singled out when the reality is coked-up prats are causing misery elsewhere and will be treated more leniently.

You just have to look at horse racing culture to realise that football is just a drop in the ocean.

[ARM1968]

That’s in then, no more cheeky liveners for Nan. 

[MattFox]

13 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

You just have to look at horse racing culture to realise that football is just a drop in the ocean.

Yup much more going on than football even at the small meets

[adam]

Good decision. Too many pricks taking this at the football. 

[Saxondale]

28 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I wouldn't consider the absolute wastemen who come to the footy at £30+ a ticket, turn up in £200 stone island puffa jackets and proceed to spend half the game in the stalls sniffing gear that's more expensive per line than the pisswater beer we sell... working class. Some of these roadmen spend more on getting wired on a Saturday than I earn in a month. 

 

Regardless of whether the targetting of football fans leaves a sour taste, there's no denying it's a real problem on the terraces and rooting cokeheads out would be welcome to most. 

When you’ve got plumbers taking home three times as much as teachers, it’s safe to say the old social classifications don’t mean the same as they used to.

 

Curiously, they still remain a good indicator of behaviours and values, but not of income.

 

As for the lads wasting £300 over a weekend, they’ll be either living with their parents or in council accommodation, caning almost all their weekly wages before Monday morning.

[lifted*fox]

I have zero issues with drug taking - coke isn't the only factor in people acting like dickheads at the football - take a long hard look at alcohol if you want to play that card.

 

People can indulge in whatever they want for all I care - it's about how people carry / handle themselves that is the problem. 

 

Spent years taking various things and I've never ruined anyone's day, been sick down the back of someone, thrown up in public, etc. etc. - because I'm not a ****. 

 

It's people that are the problem - not the drugs / alcohol themselves - some people have no self-control, no decorum, no manners, etc. 

[foxile5]

Hard to disagree with the ethos here. If it contributes to making a game less fun (and it does. Tonnes of wired blokes sniffing and being lairy isn't the most fun) then your can't argue. 

 

It's the inconsistency of application that others have alluded to. At the races a year or so ago for a day out with the Mrs. Full of folk off their chops causing a scene and generally being loutish. Should apply to all areas of life. As it stands this is just 'naughty football fans'. 

[westernpark]

5 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

I have zero issues with drug taking - coke isn't the only factor in people acting like dickheads at the football - take a long hard look at alcohol if you want to play that card.

 

People can indulge in whatever they want for all I care - it's about how people carry / handle themselves that is the problem. 

 

Spent years taking various things and I've never ruined anyone's day, been sick down the back of someone, thrown up in public, etc. etc. - because I'm not a ****. 

 

It's people that are the problem - not the drugs / alcohol themselves - some people have no self-control, no decorum, no manners, etc. 

 

It’s also the damage they have on society. The communities that become centres for the drug economy through residents selling and using. You only have to have been present in the west end of Leicester over the last 15 years to see these effects and the damage that has been done. 

Then there’s the cost to social and health care. Recreational drug users are particularly selfish, being addicted to drugs is an illness. Being able to take them as a choice rather than necessity. 
This is also not discounting the damage that alcohol does to society and clearly the first issue i mention could be solved, if there was a framework within the law where drugs are legalised. 
 

[lifted*fox]

4 minutes ago, westernpark said:

 

It’s also the damage they have on society. The communities that become centres for the drug economy through residents selling and using. You only have to have been present in the west end of Leicester over the last 15 years to see these effects and the damage that has been done. 

Then there’s the cost to social and health care. Recreational drug users are particularly selfish, being addicted to drugs is an illness. Being able to take them as a choice rather than necessity. 
This is also not discounting the damage that alcohol does to society and clearly the first issue i mention could be solved, if there was a framework within the law where drugs are legalised. 
 

 

and i don't disagee but this is a much longer conversation about the war on drugs being a failure and the argument for legalisation, regulation, education and ensuring we have robust health and mental health services - but those things cost money and don't line the pockets of the right people. 

 

people have taken drugs since the beginning of time - no amount of prohibition or punishment has ever stopped it and never will. 

 

 

Edited 5 November 2022 by lifted*fox

[Guest Lako42]

9 hours ago, OntarioFox said:

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I wouldn't consider the absolute wastemen who come to the footy at £30+ a ticket, turn up in £200 stone island puffa jackets and proceed to spend half the game in the stalls sniffing gear that's more expensive per line than the pisswater beer we sell... working class. Some of these roadmen spend more on getting wired on a Saturday than I earn in a month. 

 

Regardless of whether the targetting of football fans leaves a sour taste, there's no denying it's a real problem on the terraces and rooting cokeheads out would be welcome to most. 

They are working class. 

 

The working class have never had it so good over the last 10 years in terms of access to cheap money and ability to live way above your means. 

 

Coming to a pretty sharpish end now though like. 

[grobyfox1990]

Luckily this kind of targeting will never come to the city of London. If it did a lot of us would be out of a job 

[shilton_fox]

It’s a societal wide problem. Getting a bag in is seen as nothing different to having a few beers. I don’t know the answer, but banning orders and the like will not address the problem. 

[Foxes99]

We have a few that go overboard, but England  away is way worse for the coke, and they can’t contain that. Makes me laugh this push on a small minority though when the booze is so much worse overall for our fans. In your twenties you can smash it, but see guys well into 50s still putting away 10 pints on game day, there now well overweight, will have uncontrolled blood pressure and then a few drop dead. I see the tributes posts on fb, like absolute shock they’ve gone, way to early, well come to away day pub and your see the likely reason why.