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2 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

Hmmm …. Ulloa over Claridge? 
 

When I think of Ulloa I only think of his last minute penalty against West Ham that got us a point in our title year. But when I think a bit longer I suppose his goals helped keep us in the league the season before. 
 

I wouldn’t have Ulloa in over Claridge, but I’d have both on the list above some of those listed 

That penalty. Nerves of steel!

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Posted
12 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Your forgetting the Norwich last minute goal then? Or the header against United in the 5-3?

 

He scored huge goals for us 

+ the brace vs Swansea when we were bricking it with Vardy suspended 

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Posted (edited)
23 hours ago, Collymore said:

Ulloa was excellent and scored some important goals but I think that Claridge winner in 96 against Crystal Palace is probably the most important goal ever scored by us. Not only that, that goal then opened up the opportunity for the Middlesbrough goal that then saw us go on a European tour for the first time for many of us. 

 

Claridge above Ulloa everyday of the week for me. 

I mean that’s a daft statement. No way is Claridge’s goal more important that Tielemans vs Chelsea, Albrighton vs Sevilla or about 5 or 6 goals in the title winning season (of which Ulloa’s goals vs Norwich West Ham and Swansea were all amongst the most key in the title winning season).

 

It was a great moment, but it was a goal that got us promoted a season after being relegated. It wasn’t like it was the first time in years we’d come back up or anything.
 

Saying “the goal opened up the opportunity for xyz” is daft because you can say that about virtually every goal. We still had to score all the goals that got us to the play off final before and all the goals that got us to the league cup final after too. You may as well say the clubs first ever goal in 1884 opened up the opportunity for that goal in that case 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Sooper Steve's shin said:

Vardy

Chandler

Lineker

Worthington

Rowley

Hine

Fryatt

Ulloa

Heskey

Claridge

Cottee

Nugent 
 

That‘s fixed it. 

I don't think it did. Derek Dougan - 35 goals, 68 apps.

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Posted
5 hours ago, Sampson said:

I mean that’s a daft statement. No way is Claridge’s goal more important that Tielemans vs Chelsea, Albrighton vs Sevilla or about 5 or 6 goals in the title winning season (of which Ulloa’s goals vs Norwich West Ham and Swansea were all amongst the most key in the title winning season).

 

It was a great moment, but it was a goal that got us promoted a season after being relegated. It wasn’t like it was the first time in years we’d come back up or anything.
 

Saying “the goal opened up the opportunity for xyz” is daft because you can say that about virtually they goal. We still had to score all the goals that got us to the play off final before and all the goals that got us to the league cup final after too. You may as well say the clubs first ever goal in 1884 opened up the opportunity for that goal in that case 

There are a lot of "what ifs" but it really did feel for me all the last 30 years of achievement started at that point against Palace. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Collymore said:

There are a lot of "what ifs" but it really did feel for me all the last 30 years of achievement started at that point against Palace. 

I separate those times to the the title win and FA cup. The beginning of our recent success started with Pearson in league one. 

 

Peter Taylor undid all of O'Neill's foundations and Rodgers did the same with Pearson's and Ranieri's

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Posted
1 hour ago, Collymore said:

There are a lot of "what ifs" but it really did feel for me all the last 30 years of achievement started at that point against Palace. 

Me too, but it might be an age thing for me. I thought we'd have disappeared off the football map but for the revival under Little, and then the more successful O'Neill era. Without that I doubt we'd have moved to a new stadium and, in spite of the financial collapse which followed it, we could easily have gone the way that teams like Wednesday, Forest, or even Notts County and so on went, and never been the 'sleeping giants' that some took us to be when Mandaric and then KP came in.

 

I still believe that that period redefined us as a spirited, workmanlike side as opposed to aspiring purists, and that the kind of football we took to under Pearson and Ranieri was more accepted than it would have been but for the more pragmatic approach we saw in the 90s. Many of us identified with the never-say-die ethos of 2013-2017 because we already knew it well.

 

In that way, the James goal vs Oxford, the two Walsh goals to win us promotion and our first Wembley final, and the Claridge goals in '96 and '97 were all massive. You can say 'there are a lot of ifs' in believing that we'd never have risen again under Pearson were it not for what had gone before; but there are even more in assuming that we would.

 

So Claridge and even, at a real push, Walsh might be more valid shouts for that list than Fryatt and Nugent. Ulloa did score some vital, vital goals of course, over two seasons, without ever really setting the league alight.

 

But I can hear my grandfather convulsing in the heavens at the thought that Lochhead, Duncan, Paterson, Jack Lee, Jimmy Walsh and Keyworth should be below any of them!

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Posted
48 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I separate those times to the the title win and FA cup. The beginning of our recent success started with Pearson in league one. 

 

Peter Taylor undid all of O'Neill's foundations and Rodgers did the same with Pearson's and Ranieri's

To long ago. Ranieri undid everything himself and Shakespeare just finished it off, we were going down then if not for Puel. Puel laid the foundations, Rodgers took the team on even higher and won trophies.

Posted
36 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

To long ago. Ranieri undid everything himself and Shakespeare just finished it off, we were going down then if not for Puel. Puel laid the foundations, Rodgers took the team on even higher and won trophies.

Yeah I've always appreciated the job Puel did under difficult circumstances 

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Posted
2 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Me too, but it might be an age thing for me. I thought we'd have disappeared off the football map but for the revival under Little, and then the more successful O'Neill era. Without that I doubt we'd have moved to a new stadium and, in spite of the financial collapse which followed it, we could easily have gone the way that teams like Wednesday, Forest, or even Notts County and so on went, and never been the 'sleeping giants' that some took us to be when Mandaric and then KP came in.

 

I still believe that that period redefined us as a spirited, workmanlike side as opposed to aspiring purists, and that the kind of football we took to under Pearson and Ranieri was more accepted than it would have been but for the more pragmatic approach we saw in the 90s. Many of us identified with the never-say-die ethos of 2013-2017 because we already knew it well.

 

In that way, the James goal vs Oxford, the two Walsh goals to win us promotion and our first Wembley final, and the Claridge goals in '96 and '97 were all massive. You can say 'there are a lot of ifs' in believing that we'd never have risen again under Pearson were it not for what had gone before; but there are even more in assuming that we would.

 

So Claridge and even, at a real push, Walsh might be more valid shouts for that list than Fryatt and Nugent. Ulloa did score some vital, vital goals of course, over two seasons, without ever really setting the league alight.

 

But I can hear my grandfather convulsing in the heavens at the thought that Lochhead, Duncan, Paterson, Jack Lee, Jimmy Walsh and Keyworth should be below any of them!

As a bit of a side note. That Keyworth cup final goal was tremendous. 

Posted
On 09/09/2023 at 10:11, Sampson said:

I mean if you’re including Weller and Stringfellow you have to be including Barnes too really as well.

Not fit to even lace the boots of the aforementioned.  Certainly not Wellers.

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Posted
9 hours ago, Fox92 said:

To long ago. Ranieri undid everything himself and Shakespeare just finished it off, we were going down then if not for Puel. Puel laid the foundations, Rodgers took the team on even higher and won trophies.

We weren't going down under Shakespeare! Look at those early fixtures, look at the injury issues - and selling a CM before his replacement was over the line - and look at where we were two games after he left (before Puel even arrived), let alone at the end of the season! Puel was vital to the regeneration of the squad, but it's a helluva stretch to claim that we were going down without him.

Posted
1 hour ago, inckley fox said:

We weren't going down under Shakespeare! Look at those early fixtures, look at the injury issues - and selling a CM before his replacement was over the line - and look at where we were two games after he left (before Puel even arrived), let alone at the end of the season! Puel was vital to the regeneration of the squad, but it's a helluva stretch to claim that we were going down without him.

Might be a stretch, as it was early on in the season, but that's what I felt at the time. The only win was against a newly promoted side. He always set up not to lose first and the WBA match alone was horrific.  We were 18th when Shakespeare was sacked.

Posted
4 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

Not fit to even lace the boots of the aforementioned.  Certainly not Wellers.

What? Where did I claim he was? I was talking about their position. Weller or Stringfellow were not strikers, they shouldn’t be on this list.


My point was if you’re including the likes of Weller and Stringfellow then you need to be including the likes of Mahrez and Barnes too as wide forwards 

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Posted
5 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

Not fit to even lace the boots of the aforementioned.  Certainly not Wellers.

Sorry but Mahrez is one of our greatest players of all time, and has since moved on to the very top level to prove again and again how great he is. 

 

I obviously didn’t see Weller but he must have been some player if you think Mahrez doesn’t lace his boots. 

Posted
13 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Sorry but Mahrez is one of our greatest players of all time, and has since moved on to the very top level to prove again and again how great he is. 

 

I obviously didn’t see Weller but he must have been some player if you think Mahrez doesn’t lace his boots. 

Mahrez wasnt even mentioned was he?  Weller was one hell of a player playing in times when pitches resembled ploughed fields not the billiard tables of today.

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