Soumare

[Brainy]

5 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Your point is "yeah but what if..." and there's no way that can be predicted other than by looking at the past.

 

It's clear who he is and what he's going to do this season and everyone who thinks a honking performance is his arrival is his driving down the standards we should actually have for players at the club. 

I think it's clear this guy has no fans around here so when some people say he had a decent game (or half?) there must be something to it, therefore why are some people saying his performance was honking? Because it just comes across as tinted, will not give credit where credit is due etc etc. Honking must be 2, 3 at best on a scale of 10, if I go online for a match report with ratings what is a neutral reporter going to give him? 

[Stadt]

26 minutes ago, JimJams said:

He's got to bite at it though too.  Therein lies the problem.

He didn't want to play in the Championship last time, he evidently doesn't want to again based on his performers so far.

 

He could try and see a miserable year out whilst getting paid more PW but his stock will further falter this year. Or, get a move back home (it was rumoured he was homesick a few years ago) and reboot his career.

 

Can't imagine he'd rather be here.

[JimJams]

If the only suitors are offering him 1/4 of his wages here there's no point in him going.

[Dan]

8 hours ago, Stadt said:

He doubled the amount of assists he’s made for us against Charlton - going from 1 to 2 with a 0 xA pass  

 

If Braybrooke, Cartwright, Page etc put in the performances he did - half of FT would say they’d never make it. There certainly wouldn’t be the same ‘wot if out of no wear he was actually gud wot then’ shouts. His PSR break even amount is c. £4m - I’m fairly sure the 2nd-7th bracket in France would bite at that.

His two assists were passes before almost identical wondergoals as well.

 

Actually didn't think he was terrible at Charlton but I'm not falling for it, we need him gone, although I'm pretty certain we've got him for another year.

[Noahfence]

There’s surely no way people are still falling for Soumare 

[RedSoxUK]

Im falling for it.

 

Definitely staying this season, tears on your faces when we get promoted and offer him a three year deal.

[moseeds]

He is sapping morale from the squad. Imagine you're Braybrooke or Alves or Page or even BCR or any aspiring midfielder. And week in week out you see that nonsense on the pitch. It's not exactly going to put a firework up your backside. More likely it's going to make you question your own career choices. There is no doubt any one of those players would put in a performance AS CONSISTENTLY BAD as Soumare yet for whatever reason they aren't even allowed to prove that much, because management is living in hope that Ligue 1 Soumare will one day return, like a long awaited messiah descending from the channel.

 

It's like Danny Ward. His fee was probably around £10 million. But he cost us at least one £100m relegation - not only for being poor in goal but also making Schmeichel believe begging for a new contract was a fool's errand with the club insisting they had a suitable backup. They called Schmeichel's bluff. And it failed miserably.

 

Soumare is a disaster at Leicester. It doesn't mean he's a bad player elsewhere, just not suitable here.

[Muzzy_no7]

36 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

There’s surely no way people are still falling for Soumare 

Oh believe me there are a good few

[steveb]

TOTAL DONKEY, now can we please close this thread until he`s gone

[OntarioFox]

He had an ok game against Charlton, as did Skipp. In both cases it was im comparison to their usual standard - they both gave the ball away countless times and put the backline under needless pressure with poor positioning. But I also saw a few successful interceptions from both, so that's something.

 

In Soumare's case I saw more positive forward movement, particularly for Fatawu's goal. Congrats on your second assist in... uhh... 77 games, Bouba. 

 

He's still garbage though, it's more a case of having a good game, by his standards, against lower-half second-tier opposition. A 5/10 against bloody Charlton - it's a bit like Faes expecting a bouquet of flowers for scoring the winner against Sheff Weds. Nah mate, all you've proven is that you've just about found your level, and even then there are question marks.

 

We could still do far better even at this level, and God forbid jf we go back up and he's somehow still starting games.

 

[RedSoxUK]

33 minutes ago, moseeds said:

He is sapping morale from the squad. Imagine you're Braybrooke or Alves or Page or even BCR or any aspiring midfielder. And week in week out you see that nonsense on the pitch. It's not exactly going to put a firework up your backside. More likely it's going to make you question your own career choices. There is no doubt any one of those players would put in a performance AS CONSISTENTLY BAD as Soumare yet for whatever reason they aren't even allowed to prove that much, because management is living in hope that Ligue 1 Soumare will one day return, like a long awaited messiah descending from the channel.

 

It's like Danny Ward. His fee was probably around £10 million. But he cost us at least one £100m relegation - not only for being poor in goal but also making Schmeichel believe begging for a new contract was a fool's errand with the club insisting they had a suitable backup. They called Schmeichel's bluff. And it failed miserably.

 

Soumare is a disaster at Leicester. It doesn't mean he's a bad player elsewhere, just not suitable here.

Alves, BDR and Page don't play as a central midfielder and Braybrooke couldn't even get a game time at Dundee.

 

 

We're left with Winks (Mentally unstable,) Skipp (Psychically unstable,) and Soumare (unstable.) With Golding, Braybrooke who are not squad material. Page might be a CM but has been used as an AM and BEK might also be a CM but is probably off anyway. 

 

Until we get proper competition e.g Brownhill, Soumare is going to be starting with one of Winks/Skipp. 

[The Doctor]

29 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Alves, BDR and Page don't play as a central midfielder and Braybrooke couldn't even get a game time at Dundee.

 

 

We're left with Winks (Mentally unstable,) Skipp (Psychically unstable,) and Soumare (unstable.) With Golding, Braybrooke who are not squad material. Page might be a CM but has been used as an AM and BEK might also be a CM but is probably off anyway. 

 

Until we get proper competition e.g Brownhill, Soumare is going to be starting with one of Winks/Skipp. 

 

mobility is about right tbf.

[trooky]

32 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

He had an ok game against Charlton, as did Skipp. In both cases it was im comparison to their usual standard - they both gave the ball away countless times and put the backline under needless pressure with poor positioning. But I also saw a few successful interceptions from both, so that's something.

 

In Soumare's case I saw more positive forward movement, particularly for Fatawu's goal. Congrats on your second assist in... uhh... 77 games, Bouba. 

 

He's still garbage though, it's more a case of having a good game, by his standards, against lower-half second-tier opposition. A 5/10 against bloody Charlton - it's a bit like Faes expecting a bouquet of flowers for scoring the winner against Sheff Weds. Nah mate, all you've proven is that you've just about found your level, and even then there are question marks.

 

We could still do far better even at this level, and God forbid jf we go back up and he's somehow still starting games.

 

Bouba passing stats were 42/43, he's had pelters on here for years but currently our best midfield option😭

[Vowels]

There is no doubt Soumare is a decent player; but I think its a fair criticism to make that he doesn't always appear to put in the hard yards and 100% effort.

 

I think his fairly languid style just exacerbates that as well. Definitely also thinks he's better than he is. 

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Oh believe me there are a good few

Nah he's just better then Skipp

[VLC86]

6 minutes ago, Vowels said:

There is no doubt Soumare is a decent player; but I think its a fair criticism to make that he doesn't always appear to put in the hard yards and 100% effort.

 

I think his fairly languid style just exacerbates that as well. Definitely also thinks he's better than he is. 

Is there not?

[The Doctor]

Just now, VLC86 said:

Is there not?

it's never been his technical ability in question, but his work ethic and general awareness? 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, moseeds said:

He is sapping morale from the squad. Imagine you're Braybrooke or Alves or Page or even BCR or any aspiring midfielder. And week in week out you see that nonsense on the pitch. It's not exactly going to put a firework up your backside. More likely it's going to make you question your own career choices. There is no doubt any one of those players would put in a performance AS CONSISTENTLY BAD as Soumare yet for whatever reason they aren't even allowed to prove that much, because management is living in hope that Ligue 1 Soumare will one day return, like a long awaited messiah descending from the channel.

 

It's like Danny Ward. His fee was probably around £10 million. But he cost us at least one £100m relegation - not only for being poor in goal but also making Schmeichel believe begging for a new contract was a fool's errand with the club insisting they had a suitable backup. They called Schmeichel's bluff. And it failed miserably.

 

Soumare is a disaster at Leicester. It doesn't mean he's a bad player elsewhere, just not suitable here.

If Alves, Braybrooke or Page were good enough, surely one of them would be playing? Neither this new manager nor the last have picked them. Possibly people understandably wanting to see our young academy products, an experienced head who actually watches them in training every day has deduced that thus far, they’re actually just not up to the level required!

[ACF]

17 minutes ago, trooky said:

Bouba passing stats were 42/43, he's had pelters on here for years but currently our best midfield option😭

No doubt. Which direction were 41 of those passes? 
 

Skipp and Bouba do not work together, they were occupying the same space the whole time they were on the pitch together. They drew the Charlton midfield in, closed the space, and created mistakes.
 

Winks came on, and literally sat 25m away from Bouba, and the space was infinitely better. That’s not just on Skipp, that’s on Bouba too.

 

Bouba is at his best when he’s receiving the ball with space ahead of him, marauding forward. But he is never in that situation. He does not have the ability to take the ball from a CB and pass it to (or through) the next line. 
 

 

 

[Jimbo1987]

It is all relative to our current situation. Expecting the youth to come in and play 46 games is a huge ask, they'll certainly play their part and Cifuentes is definitely the right manager for this. Currently Winks, Soumare and Skipp (arguably Hamza but I feel he's the RB option now) are the only options we have. Winks definitely doesn't want to be here and Skipp is clearly a capable player but has absolutely no confidence at all - so realistically Soumare is out best option and has to start most games.

[OntarioFox]

21 minutes ago, trooky said:

Bouba passing stats were 42/43, he's had pelters on here for years but currently our best midfield option😭

He was last year as well, but that was largely due to how god awful we were. He was a 2/10 most weeks. That run against Ipswich was the only thing of note he did all season. The rest of the time he stunk the place up just as badly as everyone else.

 

I'd reserve judgement on passing stats as a judge of a player's merit to be fair too. Vestergaard often tops the charts for us, but we all know 90% of those are sideways and backwards passes to Stol and the rest of the backline. It doesn't change him being as slow as a tank without tracks.

[Hinckleyfox]

I always find this a strange one. His body language definitely supports the theory of bad attitude and can't be bothered.

 

BUT

 

We've had Rodgers, Smith, Cooper, RVN and now Marti all come in and trust him as a starter. Surely this suggests that what we see from the stands in terms of attitude, perhaps isn't the case on the training ground or in the dressing room?

 

We can't really speculate on Enzo's opinion of him as he was out on loan.. again massive assumptions made on hie "refusal" to play in the championship.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't rate him and there is no way we've got value for money on it, I just find the character assassination a bit short sighted.  

[trooky]

20 minutes ago, ACF said:

No doubt. Which direction were 41 of those passes? 
 

Skipp and Bouba do not work together, they were occupying the same space the whole time they were on the pitch together. They drew the Charlton midfield in, closed the space, and created mistakes.
 

Winks came on, and literally sat 25m away from Bouba, and the space was infinitely better. That’s not just on Skipp, that’s on Bouba too.

 

Bouba is at his best when he’s receiving the ball with space ahead of him, marauding forward. But he is never in that situation. He does not have the ability to take the ball from a CB and pass it to (or through) the next line. 
 

 

 

I've no idea, I was just replying to the OP who said he gave the ball away countless times, which he clearly didn't. 

 

I don't agree with slating players for no reason just because of their history with us. 

Edited 26 August 2025 by trooky

[trooky]

15 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

He was last year as well, but that was largely due to how god awful we were. He was a 2/10 most weeks. That run against Ipswich was the only thing of note he did all season. The rest of the time he stunk the place up just as badly as everyone else.

 

I'd reserve judgement on passing stats as a judge of a player's merit to be fair too. Vestergaard often tops the charts for us, but we all know 90% of those are sideways and backwards passes to Stol and the rest of the backline. It doesn't change him being as slow as a tank without tracks.

I'm not advocating any merit in this, just he didn't give the ball away countless times. 

[VLC86]

38 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

it's never been his technical ability in question, but his work ethic and general awareness? 

If you’ve got a Defensive Mid without a general awareness, I’d argue that is an ability issue.