Election prediction time

[jgtuk]

2 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

I meant that they should remain tax free given it's an act that actually saves the taxpayer money. I'd be interested to hear the rationale for it. 

 

 

It’s also a massive privilege that’s not available to the majority of the population. 

[Greg2607]

41 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

I meant that they should remain tax free given it's an act that actually saves the taxpayer money. I'd be interested to hear the rationale for it. 

 

 

I think it's fair for you to have that view.  You are absolutely entitled to it. 

 

My personal opinion is that it's a choice to utilize a service that the state also provides. 

 

As an example, if you go to London and use the tube, then you don't pay VAT on the ticket. However if you choose to use a taxi, as you view that it provides a superior service, then you do pay VAT on that price. 

 

The debate about "privilege" doesn't cut mustard with me that lots of people spout.  If you CAN afford to pay for private school AND want to utilize it, that's great. I'm sure lots of us would do the same. 

 

But I also don't buy into it that because people are doing it, that they are saving money for the government, so shouldn't have to pay the right tax for the service. 

 

For the record, I'd like a world where our state education was so strong, that there wouldn't be a need for a "superior" offering in the private sector. 

 

 

Edited 28 May 2024 by Greg2607

[FoxesDeb]

I'm more surprised that VAT isn't already charged on private education tbh, it's a choice after all not to utilise a free service already provided by the state

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I would think the state school system will need to take action for the hundreds of thousands of extra students they are going to have to accommodate.

Can't the wealthiest parents pay more to subsidise the ones struggling to pay their fees?

[LiberalFox]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

I'm more surprised that VAT isn't already charged on private education tbh, it's a choice after all not to utilise a free service already provided by the state

They've always been seen as charities rather than businesses. I suppose if they are now just businesses they will have no obligations towards their local communities. 

Edited 28 May 2024 by LiberalFox

[Guest Bilo]

I love the fact that two politicised police investigations into the two main figures in the Labour Party have a 0% success rate while 66% of Tory PMs in this Parliament have picked up FPNs.

[urban.spaceman]

Diane Abbott blocked from being a Labour candidate...

 

 

 

[Daggers]

41 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

They've always been seen as charities rather than businesses. I suppose if they are now just businesses they will have no obligations towards their local communities. 

 

Our local homelessness/poverty charity relies on local companies in Northampton sending in legions of staff. Someone needs to tell them businesses paying tax don’t have social obligations. 
 

Personally, I’d think the long history of sexual abuse and rigging of fees that has occurred within the sector ought to warrant a tad more concern from parents than having to pay VAT - but then they are a lot who prefer ignorance over truth and a decent opportunity to whine at socialism in my experience. 

[Dunge]

3 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

allegedly around 4 in 10 parents are saying they would pull kids out of private school if this happens. 

 

There are estimated to be around 880,000 Private School Children in the UK. if 40% of those left to join state education, that would be around 352,000 children, split across around 34,000 schools in the UK..... OR roughly 13 pupils per school..... 

 

based on the fact they will have had such a gifted education up to that point and will be the brightest of the bright (maybe sarcasm) then I suspect all the state schools will be happy to receive those children as it will improve their exam performance and increase their budgets. 

 

*this maths was learnt in a state school. never did me any harm. 

Bluff. Call.

 

I’d be surprised if it was as high as 10% in reality.

[Robo61]

2 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

I think it's fair for you to have that view.  You are absolutely entitled to it. 

 

My personal opinion is that it's a choice to utilize a service that the state also provides. 

 

As an example, if you go to London and use the tube, then you don't pay VAT on the ticket. However if you choose to use a taxi, as you view that it provides a superior service, then you do pay VAT on that price. 

 

The debate about "privilege" doesn't cut mustard with me that lots of people spout.  If you CAN afford to pay for private school AND want to utilize it, that's great. I'm sure lots of us would do the same. 

 

But I also don't buy into it that because people are doing it, that they are saving money for the government, so shouldn't have to pay the right tax for the service. 

 

For the record, I'd like a world where our state education was so strong, that there wouldn't be a need for a "superior" offering in the private sector. 

 

 

I'd wager that the quality of state education would rise rapdly if the banning altogether of private schooling meant the rich and powrfull had to send their kids to the local comprehensive.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Diane Abbott blocked from being a Labour candidate...

 

 

 

hmm, I wonder if there's a deranged cherry tomato on the NEC who hates her guts and wants a safe seat... tweet unrelated.

 

 

 

 

[HarryDee8]

It will be the Labradors that win

[izzymuzzet]

4 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

allegedly around 4 in 10 parents are saying they would pull kids out of private school if this happens. 

 

There are estimated to be around 880,000 Private School Children in the UK. if 40% of those left to join state education, that would be around 352,000 children, split across around 34,000 schools in the UK..... OR roughly 13 pupils per school..... 

 

based on the fact they will have had such a gifted education up to that point and will be the brightest of the bright (maybe sarcasm) then I suspect all the state schools will be happy to receive those children as it will improve their exam performance and increase their budgets. 

 

*this maths was learnt in a state school. never did me any harm. 

A 40% switch rate on a 20% increase would make it one of the most price elastic goods in the world. That's the type of elasticity you'd associate with car insurance, not moving your kids to another school. Not only that, but those assumptions are based on every private school in the UK passing all of that 20% on to their customers, which seems highly unlikely.

 

In fact, we already have some good evidence about the effect of increases in the price of private schooling. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, private school fees in the UK have risen by 20% above inflation since 2010, and by 55% above inflation since 2003. In that 20-year period, the percentage of UK pupils in private schools has remained remarkably static, hovering between 6% and 7%. Data here if anyone is interested: https://ifs.org.uk/publications/tax-private-school-fees-and-state-school-spending

[Daggers]

Anyone who calls Luke Akehurst a “right wing” member has outed themselves as a prat with nothing to add to any conversation. He’s a centrist socialist to the left of the Tories no matter what the deranged Militant cult would like to believe.  

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Anyone who calls Luke Akehurst a “right wing” member has outed themselves as a prat with nothing to add to any conversation. He’s a centrist socialist to the left of the Tories no matter what the deranged Militant cult would like to believe.  

we talking about the same Luke Akehurst? because I'm thinking it's the one who talked about using nukes as a warning shot

[Guest Bilo]

 

Whoever is in charge of Labour's social media policy is nailing it. 

[Tuna]

4 minutes ago, Bilo said:

 

 

Whoever is in charge of Labour's social media policy is nailing it. 

Technically Owen is serving his nation by playing for the national team...

[Daggers]

And now he supports the Stoke Vales. 
 

 

[Daggers]

26 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

we talking about the same Luke Akehurst? because I'm thinking it's the one who talked about using nukes as a warning shot

Quoting out of context is cute. Thanks for proving my point. 

[urban.spaceman]

5 minutes ago, Daggers said:

And now he supports the Stoke Vales. 
 

 

First a sinking ship now a relegated club  

[Daggers]

Just now, urban.spaceman said:

First a sinking ship now a relegated club  

So competent, I think we now know who is coordinating his campaign. 
 

 

[LiberalFox]

Isn't Luke Akehurst best known for being extremely pro Israel? I'd argue that's a right wing position. 

 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

I see Farage was out and about today.  The amount of damage he has caused without actually winning anything is quite something.  His reasoning for not standing anywhere was quite moot.

Edited 28 May 2024 by Legend_in_blue

[Tuna]

2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I see Farage was out and about today.  The amount of damage he has caused without actually winning anything is quite something.  His reasoning for not standing anywhere was quite moot.

World class grifter

[urban.spaceman]

52 minutes ago, Daggers said:

So competent, I think we now know who is coordinating his campaign. 
 

 

He's too busy trying to find another achievment for his leaflet.