King Power Out

[RoboFox]

Should be an instant ban for sharing anything from "content creators" 

[RedSoxUK]

4 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

You're welcome to fund a counter plane saying "King Power Okay, Keep the Board"

[SemperEadem]

Had a lot to say on the march protest too didn't you. Easier if you just come out snd state you are against protests full stop.

[Birdiex94x]

Just now, SemperEadem said:

Had a lot to say on the march protest too didn't you. Easier if you just come out snd state you are against protests full stop.

As I said I don’t like protests that personalise things or appear to try to speak for the fanbase in general.

 

Calling Rudkin names and picturing him as a clown on a van to me is silly.
 

Pointing out his failures in terms of mistakes and the job he’s done sure that’s completely fair and understandable. Like the investigation in to the relegation where he would’ve been responsible for a load of what happened. I think speaking with actions like a whole block of people not going to a game and costing the club money etc would be more effective.

[Iwebema]

12 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

A challenge I would offer regarding all the plane business, summarising a bit here but you say in your video that Rudkin shouldn't have a job but it's up to Top to decide.

The problem is they are in too deep together so no fair process on job evaluation can happen and whilst I do agree that ideally fan consultations/fan groups are the best route, the foxes trust has not held the board to account and the board have time and again shown they don't engage or listen.

As a fan how are you supposed to show your dissatisfaction with all the things you raised when the ones in question do not engage with you on any level? At best you get Whelan in a private redacted meeting and that's it.

I didn't donate to the plane but I understand why people felt the need to do it.

Edited 21 April by Iwebema

[Stuntman_Mike]

15 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

That's why there's a protest 

[RedSoxUK]

3 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

As I said I don’t like protests that personalise things or appear to try to speak for the fanbase in general.

 

Calling Rudkin names and picturing him as a clown on a van to me is silly.
 

Pointing out his failures in terms of mistakes and the job he’s done sure that’s completely fair and understandable. Like the investigation in to the relegation where he would’ve been responsible for a load of what happened. I think speaking with actions like a whole block of people not going to a game and costing the club money etc would be more effective.

Come on, the contracts that's twat signed off on are baffling. Going from consistent 5th to relegation should have absolutely seen him sacked and it's only the famed Thai loyality that's kept him around the nepobaby.

 

The van was necessary as was the plane and more and more until he's gone because he's able to hide behind success he did not earn and the media keep peddling that line. He's very responsible for this and shouldn't be here.

[Birdiex94x]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Come on, the contracts that's twat signed off on are baffling. Going from consistent 5th to relegation should have absolutely seen him sacked and it's only the famed Thai loyality that's kept him around the nepobaby.

 

The van was necessary as was the plane and more and more until he's gone because he's able to hide behind success he did not earn and the media keep peddling that line. He's very responsible for this and shouldn't be here.

He should be gone. Yes it’s as simple as that.

 

I don’t think that fans calling him names will make Top get rid of him.

 

I agree with the other comment a few up from this that they’re in too deep together and therein is the problem. 
 

Is the solution that someone else from within KP takes over that doesn’t have the personal ties? Or are they forced to sell if Top doesn’t cut these underperforming employees off? I don’t know

[Bilo]

17 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Should be an instant ban for sharing anything from "content creators" 

I'm all for respecting all jobs, but these are grifts that add jack to society.

 

Content creators, 'auditors,' that dickhead who films drivers in London, the lot. 

[Birdiex94x]

11 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

A challenge I would offer regarding all the plane business, summarising a bit here but you say in your video that Rudkin shouldn't have a job but it's up to Top to decide.

The problem is they are in too deep together so no fair process on job evaluation can happen and whilst I do agree that ideally fan consultations/fan groups are the best route, the foxes trust has not held the board to account and the board have time and again shown they don't engage or listen.

As a fan how are you supposed to show your dissatisfaction with all the things you raised when the ones in question do not engage with you on any level? At best you get Whelan in a private redacted meeting and that's it.

I didn't donate to the plane but I understand why people felt the need to do it.

This is a fair response. This is why I felt the need to come and clarify. When conversations happen there are many things we’ll align on but they don’t happen when people react to a short clip.

 

the private meetings etc should be the solution as should the people at the top being competent at their jobs enough to figure out who’s at fault for things and fix them.

 

If neither of those are successful then I honestly don’t think there is hope at all. I don’t think fans being upset will affect them if they can’t even see it from a business perspective when that’s their job.

 

It’s insane we’ve gone from the ‘best owners in the world’ in the general footballing world opinion to this shambles. The ruthlessness of Vichai cannot be understated enough

[Stuntman_Mike]

2 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

This is a fair response. This is why I felt the need to come and clarify. When conversations happen there are many things we’ll align on but they don’t happen when people react to a short clip.

 

the private meetings etc should be the solution as should the people at the top being competent at their jobs enough to figure out who’s at fault for things and fix them.

 

If neither of those are successful then I honestly don’t think there is hope at all. I don’t think fans being upset will affect them if they can’t even see it from a business perspective when that’s their job.

 

It’s insane we’ve gone from the ‘best owners in the world’ in the general footballing world opinion to this shambles. The ruthlessness of Vichai cannot be understated enough

That's why there's a protest 

[RedSoxUK]

12 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

He should be gone. Yes it’s as simple as that.

 

I don’t think that fans calling him names will make Top get rid of him.

 

I agree with the other comment a few up from this that they’re in too deep together and therein is the problem. 
 

Is the solution that someone else from within KP takes over that doesn’t have the personal ties? Or are they forced to sell if Top doesn’t cut these underperforming employees off? I don’t know

The more you embarrass Top, and Rudkin, the more pressure you put on him to make a change. The longer he doesn't make a change, the more people start to question Top as chairman.

 

You don't get the change you want from waiting because we were sold an inquiry lie where Rudkin and Whelan kept their jobs after the biggest underperformance of a Premier League team ever... The man chose not to replace Kasper and allowed Ward to be number one.

Edited 21 April by RedSoxUK

[Vestan Pance]

28 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

Well you did say it was "embarrassing", rather than you were embarrassed, therefore speaking for a group. Why is that good for you but not legitimate for whoever organised the plane banner?

 

I'm sure Top etc are just about intelligent enough to work out that for every fan that contributed to the banner there are 10 others who are prepared to stand and applaud garbage.

 

 

[Birdiex94x]

4 minutes ago, Vestan Pance said:

Well you did say it was "embarrassing", rather than you were embarrassed, therefore speaking for a group. Why is that good for you but not legitimate for whoever organised the plane banner?

 

I'm sure Top etc are just about intelligent enough to work out that for every fan that contributed to the banner there are 10 others who are prepared to stand and applaud garbage.

 

 

Exactly, I said it was embarrassing on my own personal single person social media platforms as that’s my view

 

I didn’t get another plane to fly afterwards saying ‘That was embarrassing’ without attaching my name to it?

 

I’m not attempting to speak on behalf of the fanbase by voicing my opinion on a page that is about me?

 

Lots may disagree with my opinion as they clearly do but as I’ve said there are many things that after discussing we would agree on. I just personally think that this was the wrong way to go about things.

[wurmer]

59 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

My opinion is as valid as yours. Just because I don’t make ‘content’ doesn’t make it less worthy.

 

The club is a mess and I will continue calling it out as such. I speak for me and me alone.

 

What about you?

[chapero82]

1 hour ago, Birdiex94x said:

Hey there

 

Thought I’d respond on here as well as trying to reply to everyone on Twitter

 

I’ll ignore the personal insults based on my job etc

 

My main points from my post, video and replies

 

- There are major problems at the club and have been for years, I’ve called these out countless times and questioned the hierarchy in many a video/post

 

- I am not a ‘happy clapper’ that sticks around and applauds pathetic performances off the pitch regardless of the situation. I think those people are also problematic

 

- I think a lot of people are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If the owners/top don’t care about the club at all (as is being claimed) then imo they wouldn’t care at all about fan protests or frustration. They’d happily keep things going as they are until a big bidder comes in and they cash out of their fun play thing.

 

- Many fans that are blaming the board for everything also boo half the players instead of supporting them when possible (I know it’s been hard this season)

 

- I’ve been going for 25 years, this club is a major part of my life. Just because I don’t partake in plane protests it doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I happy clap.

 

- My main frustration with the plane banner and the van protests are that it feels they are trying to speak for the whole fanbase which isn’t fair. When it’s getting personal with individuals as well instead of just talking about their job success/failure I think that’s too far. I understand people chanting etc as you’re entitled to do that and it’s clear that it’s specifically your view, not trying to speak for others.

 

I know a lot of people are incredibly angry at how the club is run and therefore will lash out at someone like myself when I don’t shout in the exact same way as others. I hate what the running of the club has been like in recent years and can only hope that they see reason to make big changes this summer.

 

Apologies for anyone offended, it was only 90 seconds of video time whereas when I do my relegation video I can articulate each point clearer

But they are just standing still?? 
They make the same mistakes over and again  

they should have sacked BR before it was too late and tried to get Emery when we had the chance!

(That’s who I wanted at the time by the way) 

 

Vichai got us to where we were NOT Top! He’s just running us into the ground.

 

if this keeps going on our trajectory is even further down the leagues again. 

[ozvaldo]

Too many sitting-on-the-fence moments from that soft lad on twitter. 
 

Doesn’t like how the club’s being run, but doesn’t agree with fans having a voice and taking action. 
 

In times of adversity, you understand who’s got the minerals vs who just likes to moan. You wouldn’t want this wet wipe standing next to you if things got serious. And that’s probably why he’s a ‘content creator’. 
 

He doesn’t understand it, but he’s part of the problem. The delusion on him to say “just let them sort it”… clearly he hasn’t got a clue. 

[LCFCJohn]

59 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

As I said I don’t like protests that personalise things or appear to try to speak for the fanbase in general.

 

Calling Rudkin names and picturing him as a clown on a van to me is silly.
 

Pointing out his failures in terms of mistakes and the job he’s done sure that’s completely fair and understandable. Like the investigation in to the relegation where he would’ve been responsible for a load of what happened. I think speaking with actions like a whole block of people not going to a game and costing the club money etc would be more effective.

I agree re the van. I think the messages need to be factual about the failings also.

 

But, genuine question, what do you think the answer is? In terms of raising awareness and putting pressure on Top to make changes?

 

I am of the view, I just want to see the changes made. I don’t care if that means KP staying or going. If Top could genuinely learn from it, and right the wrongs then I would be fine with that. 
 

But there’s a culture of brushing stuff under the carpet and stamping down on criticism, hence supporter bans and potentially Sky being paid not to talk about it yesterday as examples. 
 

If protest, vans and planes (as long as the messages are not personal and are fair and factual), aren’t the answer, how do you get through to them?

[Birdiex94x]

18 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

Too many sitting-on-the-fence moments from that soft lad on twitter. 
 

Doesn’t like how the club’s being run, but doesn’t agree with fans having a voice and taking action. 
 

In times of adversity, you understand who’s got the minerals vs who just likes to moan. You wouldn’t want this wet wipe standing next to you if things got serious. And that’s probably why he’s a ‘content creator’. 
 

He doesn’t understand it, but he’s part of the problem. The delusion on him to say “just let them sort it”… clearly he hasn’t got a clue. 

I personally wouldn’t say it’s soft to face up to the people slating you and trying to have proper conversations to find agreeable points and common terms.

 

I haven’t said that fans shouldn’t have a voice. I’ve said that I disagree with the idea of the plane banners, the van and personal insults etc. Having in stadium protests where you chant or leave on a certain minute etc are fine. My problem is when it gets personal or looks like it’s trying to represent more of the fanbase than the people that actually organised it.
 

Not sure how my job has got anything to do with the conversation either tbh.
 

I’ve explained in more detail on here in the comments above my thoughts on them sorting it out etc. 

 

I feel like people are picking up on one point or two instead of the full conversation.

 

Maybe trying to clarify on here hasn’t helped anything. 
 

I also only had like 3 seconds left of time for the clip in the way it ended. If when I do my fully fledged relegation conversation that will be half hour + you disagree with every point then fair enough.

Edited 21 April by Birdiex94x

[Birdiex94x]

26 minutes ago, wurmer said:

My opinion is as valid as yours. Just because I don’t make ‘content’ doesn’t make it less worthy.

 

The club is a mess and I will continue calling it out as such. I speak for me and me alone.

 

What about you?

I agree.

 

I don’t say that my opinion is more valid than anyone else’s. You can call the club out and that’s fine.

 

I keep making this point. My problem with the form of protests is not that they are happening in general, it’s that it’s unfair on the fans that don’t want to protest when you have things like plane banners flying around the ground and tarring the entire fanbase.

 

if you want to make 1000 posts on here or Twitter or whatever then that’s very different.

 

I hope this makes sense as I think it’s the main point I’ve been trying to make but people aren’t taking it that way

[Birdiex94x]

18 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree re the van. I think the messages need to be factual about the failings also.

 

But, genuine question, what do you think the answer is? In terms of raising awareness and putting pressure on Top to make changes?

 

I am of the view, I just want to see the changes made. I don’t care if that means KP staying or going. If Top could genuinely learn from it, and right the wrongs then I would be fine with that. 
 

But there’s a culture of brushing stuff under the carpet and stamping down on criticism, hence supporter bans and potentially Sky being paid not to talk about it yesterday as examples. 
 

If protest, vans and planes (as long as the messages are not personal and are fair and factual), aren’t the answer, how do you get through to them?

I think that if Top or whoever else is in charge doesn’t already know that there are problems that have been happening for years then there genuinely wouldn’t be a level of ‘awareness’ that can be reached that will open eyes to it.

 

I think the majority of people would love for Top to turn it around but if it means he has to go then that’s the answer.

 

I’ve said a few times my methods that I think ‘should’ get through to them. Boycotting games, taking money out of their pockets. Chants etc and banners in seats they will see. Fan boards etc should also be the main avenue of discussion between fans and club.

 

If these things aren’t working then I don’t know if anything will. It’s not as if they don’t know that many fans are incredibly unhappy. 
 

There’s a world where we get new owners and they’re unreal but equal chance of them being terrible venture capitalists that use it as a money maker solely. It’s a huge call to make and so that’s why the dream scenario is that KP can turn it around but the signs aren’t showing that to be likely…

[Foxin_Mad]

Thing is whichever way you look at it with the countless failures at the club over the last 5 years it’s difficult for anyone to justify doing nothing and retain support of the fan base.

 

We basically wasted 200 million in players we have either let go for free or who are simply not good enough. We consistently over pay average players for wages. Realistically as a club we should be able to compete with the Bournemouths, Brentford’s and Brightons of this world even if they have the benefit of being close to London. Even the last 2 years the waste has been astounding, like why sign Souttar and never use him, Cannon and never use him? There’s no strategy “, no planning. Why is the club continually operating on payday loans, these must have significant cost? Then this year the signing of Skipp and Eduoard is absolutely baffling if we are trying to contend with PSR, we should have been scouting to find more hidden gems like Mahrez, Kante etc players with something to prove not washed up overpriced players. The PSR issues are entirely self created, you aren’t telling me this club should have a lesser turnover that Brentford who don’t have PSR issues. 
 

the fan groups are largely pathetic and probably heavily influenced by the club. 

[LCFCJohn]

11 minutes ago, Birdiex94x said:

I think that if Top or whoever else is in charge doesn’t already know that there are problems that have been happening for years then there genuinely wouldn’t be a level of ‘awareness’ that can be reached that will open eyes to it.

 

I think the majority of people would love for Top to turn it around but if it means he has to go then that’s the answer.

 

I’ve said a few times my methods that I think ‘should’ get through to them. Boycotting games, taking money out of their pockets. Chants etc and banners in seats they will see. Fan boards etc should also be the main avenue of discussion between fans and club.

 

If these things aren’t working then I don’t know if anything will. It’s not as if they don’t know that many fans are incredibly unhappy. 
 

There’s a world where we get new owners and they’re unreal but equal chance of them being terrible venture capitalists that use it as a money maker solely. It’s a huge call to make and so that’s why the dream scenario is that KP can turn it around but the signs aren’t showing that to be likely…

Fair enough. I think an issue is, there are many who get angry at even the bit of your post I have put in bold. 
 

But yeah, certainly leaving empty seats and taking income away from them. Again, too many that are not going to do that.

 

I think the fan base being so divided ultimately means that there will never be a unified effort and things will continue to get much worse before they get better.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, Birdiex94x said:

As I said I don’t like protests that personalise things or appear to try to speak for the fanbase in general.

 

Calling Rudkin names and picturing him as a clown on a van to me is silly.
 

Pointing out his failures in terms of mistakes and the job he’s done sure that’s completely fair and understandable. Like the investigation in to the relegation where he would’ve been responsible for a load of what happened. I think speaking with actions like a whole block of people not going to a game and costing the club money etc would be more effective.

There are two issues that you’re overlooking. 
 

1) It’s the same mistakes being made by the club over and over again. They’re not learning, so the only way left to get into their heads is to make our discontent more visible. If it’s embarrassing, then good, it’s done its job. 
 

2) There’s no forum for the supporters to interact with the club except in hostile circumstances. The chairman and director of football don't do media interviews. It’s silent, nobody actually knows what’s going on. People say Rudkin is a nice guy, but how would we ever know? Look at Steve Parish at Palace, he makes bad decisions at times but the fans are ok with that because he fronts up and outlines the logic. Even the Greek lard at Forest is out there doing that. Managers at our club are also intentionally silenced too. Communicate with the fans and once again we wouldn’t have to go to these extremes to make our voices heard.

 

You as a supporter are being disrespected. Now you might be happy with that power dynamic, but in this case many of us are not. Hence we are making our voices heard.

[Birdiex94x]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thing is whichever way you look at it with the countless failures at the club over the last 5 years it’s difficult for anyone to justify doing nothing and retain support of the fan base.

 

We basically wasted 200 million in players we have either let go for free or who are simply not good enough. We consistently over pay average players for wages. Realistically as a club we should be able to compete with the Bournemouths, Brentford’s and Brightons of this world even if they have the benefit of being close to London. Even the last 2 years the waste has been astounding, like why sign Souttar and never use him, Cannon and never use him? There’s no strategy “, no planning. Why is the club continually operating on payday loans, these must have significant cost? Then this year the signing of Skipp and Eduoard is absolutely baffling if we are trying to contend with PSR, we should have been scouting to find more hidden gems like Mahrez, Kante etc players with something to prove not washed up overpriced players. The PSR issues are entirely self created, you aren’t telling me this club should have a lesser turnover that Brentford who don’t have PSR issues. 
 

the fan groups are largely pathetic and probably heavily influenced by the club. 

I agree with this whole heartedly and have talked about most of these points multiple times over the years which is why I think fans voicing these problems is fully justified.

 

We’re in a downwards spiral and I think your final point could be the issue. If the fan advisory boards don’t contain an array of fans along the spectrum of protestors to happy clappers then it isn’t fair on the entire fanbase