Will Alves - loaned to Cardiff City

[moore_94]

Came on after 70 minutes and has done well so far helping them get forward

 

Unless they score a late goal though it looks like Cardiff will be relegated today

[lozzyblue fox]

🤣🤣🤣

[moore_94]

Finished 0-0

 

Cardiff are relegated

[funkyrobot]

Great loan experience for Alves, rather than not being trusted to start and relegated from the premier league with Leicester, he’s instead been not been trusted to start and relegated from The Championship with Cardiff. An absolute dream loan move that will have worked wonders for the lad’s confidence. 🤪

[les-tah]

Based on what people have seen are we still putting blind faith into him next year or not?

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, les-tah said:

Based on what people have seen are we still putting blind faith into him next year or not?

Blind faith for what? 

 

[Noahfence]

16 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Great loan experience for Alves, rather than not being trusted to start and relegated from the premier league with Leicester, he’s instead been not been trusted to start and relegated from The Championship with Cardiff. An absolute dream loan move that will have worked wonders for the lad’s confidence. 🤪

19 year olds first ever loan after having his knee snapped in half. He’s done fine and it will have done him the world of good. 
 

Why are our fans so desperate for him to fail? 

Edited Sunday at 09:04 by Noahfence

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

19 year olds first ever loan after having his knee snapped in half. He’s done fine and it will have done him the world of good. 
 

Why are our fans so desperate for him to fail? 

It's odd isn't it.

 

Some just love to be miserable.

 

It's been a good loan, decent minutes, he'd got his first senior goals and assists.

 

He would have learned a lot.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

It's odd isn't it.

 

Some just love to be miserable.

 

It's been a good loan, decent minutes, he'd got his first senior goals and assists.

 

He would have learned a lot.

Yep, same slightly applies to Braybrooke whom at the very least got a taste of a really competitive environment. We were right to call him back but anything is valuable compared how we’ve been treating some of our prospects 

[Noahfence]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

It's odd isn't it.

 

Some just love to be miserable.

 

It's been a good loan, decent minutes, he'd got his first senior goals and assists.

 

He would have learned a lot.

Championship is a long hard season and we might end up being stuck down there a few seasons. We’re going to need players like Alves. 
 

Low wages, homegrown and most importantly actually want to be here giving it 100%. 
 

He shouldn’t be a starter straight away but as an impact player off the bench he’ll be fine 

[FoxTrott]

I think the problem is fans expectations with how good a player is going to be.
 

Alves seems to have okay reviews in a team which failed to stay up this season in the championship. Bear in mind how we’ve played these lower half championship teams and seen the quality, that’s the benchmark.

 

we’ve produced some fantastic youth players who have gone on to be England internationals - Barnes, Chilwell, etc. 

 

but for everyone one of those, there are McAteers, Luke Thomases,  etc. who fans deem not good enough. 
 

Generally people on this board expect way too much of youth players. 
 

My point is, let’s not put too much pressure. There’s promise but the expectations need to be realistic. We’ve seen he doesn’t regularly start for Cardiff. Yes it would be amazing if he realises what we all hope and have seen him produce in glimpses, but let’s not put the weight of an entire city on someone where there just isn’t evidence that he’s there yet. 

[Ric Flair]

Done more than enough to show he's an impact player at this level quite comfortably. I am excited to see him effect games for us next season.

[funkyrobot]

51 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

19 year olds first ever loan after having his knee snapped in half. He’s done fine and it will have done him the world of good. 
 

Why are our fans so desperate for him to fail? 

I’m the exact opposite of wanting him to fail. Look throughout this thread and I’ve been praising him. My point, which you have completely missed, is loaning him out to a club like Cardiff, struggling in The Championship is no better and probably worse for his development than keeping him here. I would’ve given Alves game time at Leicester. 

[funkyrobot]

51 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It's odd isn't it.

 

Some just love to be miserable.

 

It's been a good loan, decent minutes, he'd got his first senior goals and assists.

 

He would have learned a lot.

It was a poor loan. He should’ve got game time here. 19 year old Will Alves is twice the player than 32 year old version of BDCR. 

[Noahfence]

4 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I’m the exact opposite of wanting him to fail. Look throughout this thread and I’ve been praising him. My point, which you have completely missed, is loaning him out to a club like Cardiff, struggling in The Championship is no better and probably worse for his development than keeping him here. I would’ve given Alves game time at Leicester. 

Fair enough apologies then. I do disagree with your point though about it being worse for his development. He had barely played any football for ages. I think at this point he needed to just go out and play wherever. He looked notably fitter as his loan went on 

Edited Sunday at 10:05 by Noahfence

[funkyrobot]

3 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

Fair enough apologies then. I do disagree with your point though about it being worse for his development. He had barely played any football for ages. I think at this point he needed to just go out and play wherever. He looked notable fitter as his loan went on 

My point is he could’ve done that here. He’s better than BDCR irrespective of his inexperience. When you look at the minutes Reid has had here recently and throughout RVN’s time, that could’ve been Alves. 

Edited Sunday at 10:09 by funkyrobot

[SafewayFox]

51 minutes ago, FoxTrott said:

I think the problem is fans expectations with how good a player is going to be.
 

Alves seems to have okay reviews in a team which failed to stay up this season in the championship. Bear in mind how we’ve played these lower half championship teams and seen the quality, that’s the benchmark.

 

we’ve produced some fantastic youth players who have gone on to be England internationals - Barnes, Chilwell, etc. 

 

but for everyone one of those, there are McAteers, Luke Thomases,  etc. who fans deem not good enough. 
 

Generally people on this board expect way too much of youth players. 
 

My point is, let’s not put too much pressure. There’s promise but the expectations need to be realistic. We’ve seen he doesn’t regularly start for Cardiff. Yes it would be amazing if he realises what we all hope and have seen him produce in glimpses, but let’s not put the weight of an entire city on someone where there just isn’t evidence that he’s there yet. 

You do realise that Alves is 19 right?

 

Barnes and Chilwell at the same age were at loan at MK Dons and Huddersfield.

 

Sorry that we get excited about Alves in the squad on a match day ahead of dross like Reid or Ayew.

[coolhandfox]

20 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

It was a poor loan. He should’ve got game time here. 19 year old Will Alves is twice the player than 32 year old version of BDCR. 

Based on what metrics?

[coolhandfox]

15 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

My point is he could’ve done that here. He’s better than BDCR irrespective of his inexperience. When you look at the minutes Reid has had here recently and throughout RVN’s time, that could’ve been Alves. 

He scored and got some assists at Cardiff in he's first step in senior football, would he have done that here? 

 

Those goals and assists will have given him confidence that he can play senior football! 

 

 

[Foxes1]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

He scored and got some assists at Cardiff in he's first step in senior football, would he have done that here? 

 

Those goals and assists will have given him confidence that he can play senior football! 

 

 

One of those out on loan in the championship along with Ben Nelson hopefully will be OK for us next season will most likely be on a manageable wage unlike Hamza Choudhury 

[funkyrobot]

8 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Based on what metrics?

I could throw it back at you and say, in light of his lack of game time at Cardiff compared to the game time a failing Reid playing in his position got here at Leicester, AND the fact Cardiff were relegated, based on what metrics was the loan a success?

[funkyrobot]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

He scored and got some assists at Cardiff in he's first step in senior football, would he have done that here? 

 

Those goals and assists will have given him confidence that he can play senior football! 

 

 

If he’d been given game time here he could’ve. My point has been throughout this thread that Alves should’ve been given way more opportunities here this season. It’s another failing of our club that whilst we are stinking the league up, and rinse and repeating non performances from Reid we have to send a creative player out to the disaster that is Cardiff City to get some experience. And what has he got from it? Dropped from the starting 11 and a relegation to League 1 on his record. 

[OntarioFox]

Can he be recalled after Cardiff's last game next week? Would be nice to see him get a few minutes for us before it's all done and dusted.

 

Then again, RVN is clearly not interested in blooding the youth so I doubt it would be worth it.

[coolhandfox]

45 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I could throw it back at you and say, in light of his lack of game time at Cardiff compared to the game time a failing Reid playing in his position got here at Leicester, AND the fact Cardiff were relegated, based on what metrics was the loan a success?

He played his first senior minutes in football at higher level than Barnes (L1), KDH (L1).

 

He managed a similar amount of minutes in his (639) Championship loan the Chilwell (660) did in his first and only loan which was at Championship level with a game to go.

 

He's scored and managed 3 assists, which will give him confidence.

 

He's been push out of he comfort zone, have to go to another club, dress room, which will have challenged him.

 

He's got nearly as many minutes at Cardiff (639) in half a season  as BCDR has in a whole season at LCFC (741).

 

He's played at the level we are competing at next season so will understand the league.

 

For me it's been a good loan.

Edited Sunday at 11:54 by coolhandfox

[coolhandfox]

37 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

If he’d been given game time here he could’ve. My point has been throughout this thread that Alves should’ve been given way more opportunities here this season. It’s another failing of our club that whilst we are stinking the league up, and rinse and repeating non performances from Reid we have to send a creative player out to the disaster that is Cardiff City to get some experience. And what has he got from it? Dropped from the starting 11 and a relegation to League 1 on his record. 

See above.