Realistic Managerial Replacements

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

I understand the argument, but no Manager was ever going to keep Leicester in the Premier League. We were absolutely honking. You could say the same thing now, but with the individual players we have currently, and the woeful standard of this league, there is no way we should be certain for relegation like we were in the Premier League. 

Who are your alternatives? I personally don't see Rowett or Mowbray getting anything out of this squad, just like I didn't see Cifuentes. They need a lightning bolt, not just another journeyman from down here. I think Lampard is a similar type to Gerrard, and I am sure most would have sniffed at him before he got the Coventry job. 

Don't get me wrong, I see issues with someone like Gerrard, but I think he gives us a better chance of a new manager bounce (much needed one) and also someone who won't take crap from the divas in the squad. 

Not ideal, but from the list available, he is my choice so far. 

 Why do you think Gerrard and Lampard are similar? By all accounts they have completely different personalities and management styles. Lampard is known as a tactically flexible and a very good man manager, whereas Gerrard is apparently rigid and distant, which led to him losing the dressing room in spectacular fashion at Villa. Whenever Gerrard’s name is mentioned somebody always cites the example of Lampard, but it’s never really explained what connects them.

 

If Gerrard had been a relatively unknown lower league player before going into management, would you be keen on him based on one success in Scotland, one spectacular failure in England and a distinctly underwhelming job in Saudi? If your honest answer is yes, fair enough but I’d love to hear your reasoning. If it’s no, that means you partly favour Gerrard as a manager because of his reputation as a player—and that’s crazy. 

 

Edited 5 February by ClaphamFox

[fox_favourite]

10 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

 Why do you think Gerrard and Lampard are similar? By all accounts they have completely different personalities and management styles. Lampard is known as a tactically flexible and a very good man manager, whereas Gerrard is apparently rigid and distant, which led to him losing the dressing room in spectacular fashion at Villa. Whenever Gerrard’s name is mentioned somebody always cites the example of Lampard, but it’s never really explained what connects them.

 

If Gerrard had been a relatively unknown lower league player before going into management, would you be keen on him based on one success in Scotland and one spectacular failure in England? If your honest answer is yes, fair enough but I’d love to hear your reasoning. If it’s no, that means you partly favour Gerrard as a manager because of his reputation as a player—and that’s crazy. 

 

This Gerrard only gets jobs due to his amazing playing career. He was a captain of a big club, but that doesn't make you a manager by default. He failed at Villa and failed in Saudi, which says a lot! 

 

It's a big fat no from me. He'll be a disaster. 

[STUHILL]

31 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

 Why do you think Gerrard and Lampard are similar? By all accounts they have completely different personalities and management styles. Lampard is known as a tactically flexible and a very good man manager, whereas Gerrard is apparently rigid and distant, which led to him losing the dressing room in spectacular fashion at Villa. Whenever Gerrard’s name is mentioned somebody always cites the example of Lampard, but it’s never really explained what connects them.

 

If Gerrard had been a relatively unknown lower league player before going into management, would you be keen on him based on one success in Scotland, one spectacular failure in England and a distinctly underwhelming job in Saudi? If your honest answer is yes, fair enough but I’d love to hear your reasoning. If it’s no, that means you partly favour Gerrard as a manager because of his reputation as a player—and that’s crazy. 

 

 

I have family who are Rangers fans and they were impressed with his stint there and wanted him back. I don’t count Saudi to be honest, that league is a complete mess and I suspect a nightmare to manage in. Aston Villa was a failure but not a complete disaster but they are a much stronger club now, although I don’t think Gerrard is a ready made Premier League Manager anyway. I think the Championship might be his level for now, as well as Lampard. The likeness to Lampard had nothing to do with style or personality, it was in reference to most turning their nose up at Lampard pre Coventry, but seeing how he has had an unexpected, positive impact on them, despite his previous failures. 
 

It’s easy to pick apart suggestions anyway, and I do see potential weaknesses with Gerrard. I would be interested to hear who you are favouring from those available and whether you supported the appointment of Cifuentes at the time? I thought Cifuentes didn’t have enough about him, and it seems the players didn’t buy into him either.
 

I see this squad as having a shockingly poor attitude and work ethic, and so that’s why I am leaning towards a strong character to try keep us up this year, but there isn’t much out there.

 

Who are you currently favouring? 

[markko]

This weekend is going to be interesting. AK has to decide who is fit and ready to play and who (of the loans) should be used. I think a fit Lascelles is a good addition but if he is not and is risked then we end up losing him for a number of games.

 

I don't know much about the others. If this game is another poor display the hunt for a new manager will intensify. Big risk sticking with AK who has no experience in a managers role and if/when we get a points deduction we will be in a relegation battle.

[STUHILL]

36 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

This Gerrard only gets jobs due to his amazing playing career. He was a captain of a big club, but that doesn't make you a manager by default. He failed at Villa and failed in Saudi, which says a lot! 

 

It's a big fat no from me. He'll be a disaster. 

I wouldn’t take Saudi as much value.

He clearly wasn’t ready for Villa though, and I have doubts he will be a solid Premier League manager in the future.

 

He did very well at Rangers though.

 

Unfortunately, the names we are being linked with and available to us, either have failures on their CV or don’t have much of a CV at all. 
 

I don’t like the Championship journeymen like Rowett and Mowbray. I just can’t see our diva squad working hard enough for Managers like those. Cifuentes was too much of a soft touch. We have players here who think they are far better than they are and don’t need to work hard. 
 

if we don’t get someone in to really rattle the players and drag them along to enough wins, then I think we could go down this season with a whimper. 

[fox_favourite]

5 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I wouldn’t take Saudi as much value.

He clearly wasn’t ready for Villa though, and I have doubts he will be a solid Premier League manager in the future.

 

He did very well at Rangers though.

 

Unfortunately, the names we are being linked with and available to us, either have failures on their CV or don’t have much of a CV at all. 
 

I don’t like the Championship journeymen like Rowett and Mowbray. I just can’t see our diva squad working hard enough for Managers like those. Cifuentes was too much of a soft touch. We have players here who think they are far better than they are and don’t need to work hard. 
 

if we don’t get someone in to really rattle the players and drag them along to enough wins, then I think we could go down this season with a whimper. 

But didn't RvN try that tactic and they turned on him. 

 

Players have too much power as they get paid more than their manager. How many other jobs does that happen. 

 

I still think Gerrard isn't a good manager and is only getting jobs due to his playing career. 

 

But I get your points. 

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

But didn't RvN try that tactic and they turned on him. 

 

Players have too much power as they get paid more than their manager. How many other jobs does that happen. 

 

I still think Gerrard isn't a good manager and is only getting jobs due to his playing career. 

 

But I get your points. 

Yeh, RVN is a fair point, although I think our squad was so inadequate for the Premier League, no matter who we had Managing us, the losses would have mounted and players would have turned on the Manager.

 

Cifuentes hasn’t been able to get these players to work for him either, despite hearing about his ‘success’ at QPR 
 

At this point, we will need a dollop of luck to get a Manager that just clicks here. Everyone we have been linked with has downsides.
 

I just want to avoid relegation, get to the summer, and clear house!  

[winteriscoming]

Very difficult to suggest no one would have kept us up last season. 
Yes we were/are a mess but RVN lost 17 of 19 games and went so many home matches without even scoring. 
Not saying we’d of definitely stopped up last season with someone else in charge but I’m sure the name’s mentioned after Cooper went would have imo given it a better go than Ruud. 
Would be extremely difficult for anyone else to do worse. 
Even a couple of wins and draws in that bad run would have given us a chance however slim it might have been. 

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

Very difficult to suggest no one would have kept us up last season. 
Yes we were/are a mess but RVN lost 17 of 19 games and went so many home matches without even scoring. 
Not saying we’d of definitely stopped up last season with someone else in charge but I’m sure the name’s mentioned after Cooper went would have imo given it a better go than Ruud. 
Would be extremely difficult for anyone else to do worse. 
Even a couple of wins and draws in that bad run would have given us a chance however slim it might have been. 

I don’t see it personally, and the way the players have performed this season as well, just confirms it for me. Woefully inadequate, regardless of Manager. 
 

Top, Rudkin and recruitment is what got us here though. 
 

 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Whilst it’s not ideal I think our best bet is to get an experienced interim in until the end of the season. Incentivise their contract based on where we finish and review in the summer.

 

We need someone who can motivate and organise whilst getting respect from the squad.

 

The summer will be a different story as they will have a pre-season to work with and on the squad and with a heavily reduced wage bill we should be able to approach who we want rather than only looking at free agents. We can’t underestimate how important it is to get the bad eggs out of the squad this summer, this could ultimately determine who we attract and what funds we have to rebuild. 

 

 

[Leicesterpool]

Wonder when 'said' manager gets that tour around Seagrave rumour starts.

[winteriscoming]

9 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I don’t see it personally, and the way the players have performed this season as well, just confirms it for me. Woefully inadequate, regardless of Manager. 
 

Top, Rudkin and recruitment is what got us here though. 
 

 

I agree to a point with you but the last 3 managers have shown zero tactical awareness and flexibility during matches. 
As bad as the players have been they have to believe in what the manager wants from them. 
Which they did when Enzo was here. 



 

[BrilliantFox]

2 hours ago, STUHILL said:

We were absolutely honking.

Because we never had a competent manager? Wolves had a satanic manager bounce of 6 wins in a row and that killed us off.

 

Had we brought in Corberan instead of Ruud, Wolves would be in the Championship as we speak.

[damolcfc]

4 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I agree to a point with you but the last 3 managers have shown zero tactical awareness and flexibility during matches. 
As bad as the players have been they have to believe in what the manager wants from them. 
Which they did when Enzo was here. 



 

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[STUHILL]

Just now, BrilliantFox said:

Because we never had a competent manager? Wolves had a satanic manager bounce of 6 wins in a row and that killed us off.

 

Had we brought in Corberan instead of Ruud, Wolves would be in the Championship as we speak.

Wolves who finished 17 points above us that season?

 

They had a much better starting 11 than us.

Our players and recruitment were woeful. Not to excuse Ruud, but the squad was not good enough to stay up that year. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

If we even think about Gerrard, you’ve got to get Beale too as his assistant. 
 

There’s nothing wrong with a manager with aura as long as that aura has something behind him doing the actual coaching. A lot of the Rangers success was down to the two of them working in tandem. 
 

 

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If we even think about Gerrard, you’ve got to get Beale too as his assistant. 
 

There’s nothing wrong with a manager with aura as long as that aura has something behind him doing the actual coaching. A lot of the Rangers success was down to the two of them working in tandem. 
 

 

Ruud’s downfall. One of many though. 

[Leicesterpool]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If we even think about Gerrard, you’ve got to get Beale too as his assistant. 
 

There’s nothing wrong with a manager with aura as long as that aura has something behind him doing the actual coaching. A lot of the Rangers success was down to the two of them working in tandem. 
 

 

That is interesting some did say when they were both at Rangers together they had good partnership which carried to their time at Villa, once Beale left Villa to go I think may have been QPR. Gerrard lost his way, do recall Gerrard started off well at Villa then the months to follow it just went south. 

[phoneticerror]

How embarrassing to sack Marti and still not have anybody lined up this far on… Top is an incompetent moron with his head in the clouds.

[Leicesterpool]

Just now, phoneticerror said:

How embarrassing to sack Marti and still not have anybody lined up this far on… Top is an incompetent moron with his head in the clouds.

Top never has had an plan b, as mentioned before if he's wanted a certain manager and can't get him he panic hires. We go back to when Rodgers was sacked, he seemed to convinced they were going to get Jesse Marsh then that didn't panicked ended up with Dean Smith, Potter turned us down ended up with Cooper, when Cooper flopped again he hadn't got a clue who to go for and ended up with Ruud. This summer same again they wanted Russell Martin ended up with Marti instead. 

[BrilliantFox]

22 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Wolves who finished 17 points above us that season?

 

Reference back to their satanic manager bounce coupled with Ruud's complete inexperience of managing.

 

Not saying our squad was better, simply saying had we brought in a better manager we would have stayed up.

We were 16th around Christmas, we already had a gap between us and them.

That was the chance to climb up.

Edited 5 February by BrilliantFox

[Mike Oxlong]

22 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Wolves who finished 17 points above us that season?

 

They had a much better starting 11 than us.

Our players and recruitment were woeful. Not to excuse Ruud, but the squad was not good enough to stay up that year. 

And for the most part, so it continues 

[STUHILL]

At this point, it really is just going to be about luck, whether we end up with a decent Manager or not. Top has no clue what he is doing. Luckily, the odds are more in our favour now, after some absolute lemons of late 

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said:

Reference back to their satanic manager bounce coupled with Ruud's complete inexperience of managing.

Wolves were underperforming and were always likely to improve. We may have been able to get a few more wins with a new manager, but I think staying up is wishful thinking and glossing over how truly awful our squad was for the Premier League. 

[Leicesterpool]

Be interesting to know if Enzo wasn't appointed if that squad would have even got promoted.