reynard Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 So who's responsible for the running of this club? Who appointed levein? Who sanctioned the purchases made by Micky Adams the seasons we were promoted and relegated? Who sanctioned the purchases made by Levein? On radio today Tim davies seemed to indicate relegation would be financially crippling so if they don't get rid of Levein this week should the board resign? They may have saved the club but since then what have they done to ensure success for this club? how much money HAVE they really raised? have all the best deals (sponsorship etc) really been done? For example are Alliance and leicester really the best name for shirt deals? it may be nice to have lots of local support but could/should better deals have been done with national/international firms? I am Not an expert but I would like to know exactly what they have done to bring money to our club? This club is in one hell of a mess, not only on the pitch but as relegation now seems quite possible i suspect off it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 The board are not to blame, they are running this club very well. Levein seemed like a great appointment at the time but things just haven't worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivarti Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 The board are not to blame, they are running this club very well. Levein seemed like a great appointment at the time but things just haven't worked out. What do Leicester people have in their tea or coffee, it seems that every descent man that comes a long turns into some crazy man after a few months at the club. Maybe everyone is poisened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 What do Leicester people have in their tea or coffee, it seems that every descent man that comes a long turns into some crazy man after a few months at the club. Maybe everyone is poisened You're absolutely right. But no surprise after 5 wins, 11 draws and 11 losses in 27 games this season... and/or 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses in the past 12 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I really cannot understand why the board deserves a pummelling. Seems to me that they've given Levein reasonable funds and a reasonable amount of time to make some headway. The Chief Executive and I have had a pretty pointed disagreement of late (via a member of his staff) but he seems like a genuine fan who doesn't want to do the manager's job for him and who only wants the best for City. He seems more than approachable (to most fans if not to contentious so-and-so's like me) and I don't think his reluctance to answer certain questions on the radio today was anything to do with hiding the truth or his feelings. It was about common decency, diplomacy and wanting to do right by a manager who has done nothing to deserve a public humiliation. I respect Tim Davies for his attitude. Levein has simply not been effective in his job, nothing more. As Chief Executives go I think he's much more open than most and that we, and the club, are probably lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TornadoShaunUK Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I think we have a decent board. Very supportive of the team/manager and always tries to do whats in the best interests of the club. Also Tries to act on the best intentions of the fans.. I think we can be happy that we are run well off the pitch, it's Levein who has a heck of a job and as I have stated in another thread he needs to really think about his team and the tactics he employs to get us results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 Oddly enough on this occasion its not the boards fault that we are in this mess, as Ricey said things just havent worked out with CL...as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 What do Leicester people have in their tea or coffee, it seems that every descent man that comes a long turns into some crazy man after a few months at the club. Maybe everyone is poisened Didn't happen with St Martin, did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 No the board are not to blame for our current situation. Apart from selling Connelly of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anish Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I don't blame the board for our position. The only thing I have against them is their appointment of Levein but even that is a bit harsh because nobody knew how badly Levein would do in the job. The board have given enough time and money to Levein to help him build his squad, it's not their fault that Levein's gone and f**ked it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 No the board are not to blame for our current situation. Apart from selling Connelly of course I'd have sold Connolly at the price. But I wouldn't have waited months to get a replacement and I wouldn't have messed about with non-specialist centre-forwards (as I said at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I'd have sold Connolly at the price. But I wouldn't have waited months to get a replacement and I wouldn't have messed about with non-specialist centre-forwards (as I said at the time). Who would you have bought whilst the transfer window was closed? Or would you have loaned a player (who may or may not be available for loan) only for their value to increase if they did well? Or would you have hoped for Hume and Hammond to get us through to January when you can then purchase someone? I will be honest and say that I would have gone for the third option. With hindsight, it is easy to say we should have loaned somebody, but I don't really think there was anybody available. Mentioning names like Lupoli is pretty fruitless because Arsenal probably would not have loaned him out from October (with their Carling Cup run). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch81 Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 The Chief Executive and I have had a pretty pointed disagreement of late (via a member of his staff) but he seems like a genuine fan who doesn't want to do the manager's job for him and who only wants the best for City. Not to mention him taking a nice fat 22% pay increase!! All for the club that one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue06 Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 i cant believe the board have come into question after they saved the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestan Pance Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I don't think anyone would knock the people who put money into the club when we went into admin but lets not forget that some of them were on the original board when the club went bust. At the end of the day the directors are now taking a wage and they are running a company which is failing. Individual fans ie. Tim Davies should never run major football clubs unless they have some serious financial clout to back it up. Your judgement would be clouded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes_Trust Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I don't think anyone would knock the people who put money into the club when we went into admin but lets not forget that some of them were on the original board when the club went bust. At the end of the day the directors are now taking a wage and they are running a company which is failing. Individual fans ie. Tim Davies should never run major football clubs unless they have some serious financial clout to back it up. Your judgement would be clouded. Only one of the board that took the club into admin is involved in the current set up, Greg Clarke. Only the Chief Exec (Tim) & the new Commercial Director are paid, all other directors are Non-Exec & receive no payment. What you say about fans running clubs is cobblers - over 10 Trust's run clubs now & they are some of the best ran financially in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes_Trust Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 Not to mention him taking a nice fat 22% pay increase!! All for the club that one!!! He didn't get a pay increase, the figures published were based on a bonus when in the Premiership & also included such things as relocation costs. His package will be far less this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationwider Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I don't think anyone would knock the people who put money into the club when we went into admin but lets not forget that some of them were on the original board when the club went bust. At the end of the day the directors are now taking a wage and they are running a company which is failing. Individual fans ie. Tim Davies should never run major football clubs unless they have some serious financial clout to back it up. Your judgement would be clouded. Freddie. Shepperd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 Who would you have bought whilst the transfer window was closed? Or would you have loaned a player (who may or may not be available for loan) only for their value to increase if they did well? Or would you have hoped for Hume and Hammond to get us through to January when you can then purchase someone? I will be honest and say that I would have gone for the third option. With hindsight, it is easy to say we should have loaned somebody, but I don't really think there was anybody available. Mentioning names like Lupoli is pretty fruitless because Arsenal probably would not have loaned him out from October (with their Carling Cup run). I can assure you I'd always have a man in mind as a replacement for anyone moving out. And in the unlikely event of circumstances making that impossible I would have had someone in on loan. I just cannot imagine any circumstances where a player would have been sold from under my feet without my approval and without my having a replacement lined up. I rate Hume and think Hammond is a great trier but neither are centre forwards and I would never have signed them as such. In fact I doubt I'd have signed Hammond at all because, like Sylla, he doesn't achieve enough for me and would never have fitted my requirements for a signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes_Trust Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 To take your points 1 at a time So who's responsible for the running of this club? - day to day the Chief Exec (Tim), major decisions sanctioned by the board Who appointed levein? - the team of board members in the selection panel, then approved by the full board. The club did consult us for our opinions too. Who sanctioned the purchases made by Micky Adams the seasons we were promoted and relegated? - the club set a budget, who it is spent on is up to the football manager, otherwise the board should pick the team, that's the correct approach Who sanctioned the purchases made by Levein? - as per previous answer On radio today Tim davies seemed to indicate relegation would be financially crippling so if they don't get rid of Levein this week should the board resign? - No he didn't, relegation would not cripple the club, no mention was made to financial aspects during the interview, being of prime importance to stay up is a business objective + an emotional one for us fans They may have saved the club but since then what have they done to ensure success for this club? - what do you expect them to do? how much money HAVE they really raised? have all the best deals (sponsorship etc) really been done? - the main sponsorship deal, for the stadium naming rights was agreed prior to admin & is out of their control for a for more years yet. For example are Alliance and leicester really the best name for shirt deals? it may be nice to have lots of local support but could/should better deals have been done with national/international firms? - only aware of one other interested party, but the length of deal on offer was less I am Not an expert but I would like to know exactly what they have done to bring money to our club? - contacted loads of people re-investment, however further work is required, hence the recently appointed Commercial Director who starts this month This club is in one hell of a mess, not only on the pitch but as relegation now seems quite possible i suspect off it as well. - As a shareholder we have a monthly financial statement, it is not in a mess off the pitch, however the poor results are obviously resulting in a heavy impact in revenue due to low crowd numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lush Posted 2 January 2006 Share Posted 2 January 2006 I'd have sold Connolly at the price. But I wouldn't have waited months to get a replacement and I wouldn't have messed about with non-specialist centre-forwards (as I said at the time). But connolly isnt better than hume, so for me it was a great deal. £2.5M and hume for connolly, brill. The board have discriminated against sth`s and hired, whats looking like a loser in levein. The buck stops with the guys at the top. They gave our money to micky, and they`ve given a 3 n half year contract to levein, with a big payout clause it seems. Craigs then give a 3 n half year contract to kisnorbo, a lump, the other lump (dubs) for a year, now selling a player (gilbert) for a lot less than bought for 5 months ago. All these deals were applauded by our board. To be fair to craig, hes also brought in some very good players, but the fundamental problem, is that the board have brought in someone that doesnt look good enough. Im not at all sure, that our board have got enough hunger, desire, and backbone to succeed. Our last 2 managers havnt had that, because we havnt had it on the pitch, and the manager is the core of any football club. He didn't get a pay increase, the figures published were based on a bonus when in the Premiership & also included such things as relocation costs. His package will be far less this year. How much money was this bonus? What did he do to earn it? Do you personally, and FT, think it was deserved? I should be the new interviewer asking hard hitting questions the problem is, they dont wana tell us the answers??? Who appointed levein?- the team of board members in the selection panel, then approved by the full board. The club did consult us for our opinions too. Who were the selection panel? Did the club ask the fans generally? If not, why not? Why you and not everyone? What did you tell them? On radio today Tim davies seemed to indicate relegation would be financially crippling so if they don't get rid of Levein this week should the board resign?- No he didn't, relegation would not cripple the club, no mention was made to financial aspects during the interview, being of prime importance to stay up is a business objective + an emotional one for us fans Arnt the board "us fans"? I am Not an expert but I would like to know exactly what they have done to bring money to our club?- contacted loads of people re-investment, however further work is required, hence the recently appointed Commercial Director who starts this month Whats his name? Whats his employment background? This club is in one hell of a mess, not only on the pitch but as relegation now seems quite possible i suspect off it as well.- As a shareholder we have a monthly financial statement, it is not in a mess off the pitch, however the poor results are obviously resulting in a heavy impact in revenue due to low crowd numbers Would you personally say, that for the sake of this clubs immediate future, those that maybe put off through recent weeks, should make that little extra effort until things are safe for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestan Pance Posted 3 January 2006 Share Posted 3 January 2006 Freddie. Shepperd. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted 3 January 2006 Share Posted 3 January 2006 Cited as proof that money does not necessarily equal either knowledge or success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationwider Posted 3 January 2006 Share Posted 3 January 2006 I don't think anyone would knock the people who put money into the club when we went into admin but lets not forget that some of them were on the original board when the club went bust. At the end of the day the directors are now taking a wage and they are running a company which is failing. Individual fans ie. Tim Davies should never run major football clubs unless they have some serious financial clout to back it up. Your judgement would be clouded. The point about Freddie Shepherd was that he and the Halls have significant financial clout - having invested millions into the club. Granted, this has ensured their top-flight survival for the forseeable future, but as businessmen and shareholders, they can draw their dividends and bonuses (in the millions) back out of the club's profits. Newcastle never win anything and massively underachieve for a team with over 50,000 season ticket holders. It's only one example, I know, but putting money in can cloud the judgement too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestan Pance Posted 3 January 2006 Share Posted 3 January 2006 Cited as proof that money does not necessarily equal either knowledge or success. I Never said it did. And I'd disagree with the Newcastle argument. We are the ones battling relegation from this division, it was their turn some 12 years ago. I'd swap positions with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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