Vardinhio Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 I think very few people would say that Gradi has not been a success. Still, your entitled to your own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 If you want to see Sturrock and Gradi as successful, that's your beef. I personally don't see either as successful. I would want to see more for my money. For example, in this division I would see a play-off place as a success, especially for clubs the size of Leicester and Cov. Staying in this league by the skin of your teeth is not. I don't think you could argue with what Gradi has done at Crewe, Sturrock yes as Sheff Wed are a massive club in comparison and have the capablities of premiership football. Crewe are no bigger than most League One/League Two clubs and the fact he's managed to produce so many top quality players over the years, plus play relatively attractive football and keep them in the championship for several seasons is impressive in this situation. But that's Crewe's situation not ours or Coventry's, Coventry are still capable of promotion and a good manager could do that for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 I don't think you could argue with what Gradi has done at Crewe, Sturrock yes as Sheff Wed are a massive club in comparison and have the capablities of premiership football. Crewe are no bigger than most League One/League Two clubs and the fact he's managed to produce so many top quality players over the years, plus play relatively attractive football and keep them in the championship for several seasons is impressive in this situation. But that's Crewe's situation not ours or Coventry's, Coventry are still capable of promotion and a good manager could do that for them. I think success should be judged differently i each case, i personally didn't expect Cov to finisher higher than say 15th and the fact that they are exceeding says to me Adams has had a successful year but the thing with Adams's ageing teams, is that as each year that goes by, is a year closer to retierment. Can you see Wise and Hutchison being as influential next year? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 I don't think you could argue with what Gradi has done at Crewe, Sturrock yes as Sheff Wed are a massive club in comparison and have the capablities of premiership football. Crewe are no bigger than most League One/League Two clubs and the fact he's managed to produce so many top quality players over the years, plus play relatively attractive football and keep them in the championship for several seasons is impressive in this situation. But that's Crewe's situation not ours or Coventry's, Coventry are still capable of promotion and a good manager could do that for them. @ Lisa: Indeed, success is all relative. When Mickey took over at Cov, they were languishing down at the bottom of the table and were serious contenders for relegation in all honesty. He has made them a solid unit, especially at home (sounds familiar), and much of that is undoubtedly down to him. Iain Dowies Palace had a fortunate run when they reached the playoffs, but their squad was miles stronger than Cov's so reaching a top half position from the position Cov were in, MUST be seen as success! As Ric has stated as well, Gradi has done a commendable job at Crewe and very few would disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-man Posted 19 April 2006 Author Share Posted 19 April 2006 going back 2 relegation favourites werent watford one of pre season favourites 4 the drop? Dead right mate. Written off as a team of no-hopers with a nobody manager. So, it can be done FNQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 Dead right mate. Written off as a team of no-hopers with a nobody manager. So, it can be done FNQ. Yes I agree, Micky should have got Coventry promoted. And kept Leicester in the Premiership. He's a great manager, not a miracle worker (i.e. Boothroyd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 @ Lisa: Indeed, success is all relative. When Mickey took over at Cov, they were languishing down at the bottom of the table and were serious contenders for relegation in all honesty. He has made them a solid unit, especially at home (sounds familiar), and much of that is undoubtedly down to him. Iain Dowies Palace had a fortunate run when they reached the playoffs, but their squad was miles stronger than Cov's so reaching a top half position from the position Cov were in, MUST be seen as success! As Ric has stated as well, Gradi has done a commendable job at Crewe and very few would disagree with that. For me though, success would have seen Gradi move on and prove his worth at a higher level. He's managed to unearth lads who have gone on to bigger and better things, and I think the fact that these players have moved on says something, don't you? That's not belittling Gradi, that's just telling it like it is.On a similar note, I would say Mourinho wasn't successful at Chelski. He may find the Premiership easier, but until he's won the Champions League with them........yadda yadda yadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 MON is great. Everyone else is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter3 Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 @ Lisa: Do you find that Rob Kelly has had success so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 No, and it would be unfair to judge him with someone else's squad, and part way through the season. I would prefer to see what happens in the summer before making any assumptions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeh Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 Enuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 For me though, success would have seen Gradi move on and prove his worth at a higher level. He's managed to unearth lads who have gone on to bigger and better things, and I think the fact that these players have moved on says something, don't you? That's not belittling Gradi, that's just telling it like it is. On a similar note, I would say Mourinho wasn't successful at Chelski. He may find the Premiership easier, but until he's won the Champions League with them........yadda yadda yadda But thats not success, that's ambition. Gradi is the longest-serving manager currently in League football. Maybe he's just a very loyal person that enjoys working with limited ressources and developing youngsters, because he knows thats what he's good at. You make it sound like someone only has success when he or she performs above his or her ability. And obviously success can be measured on varying scales, but Gradi, being at Crewe, for what, 20 years? He can be very satisfied with his career there. They just don't have the potential to do better and he obviously feels at home there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJ Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 Dead right mate. Written off as a team of no-hopers with a nobody manager. So, it can be done FNQ. Watford "team of no hopers"!!! What about the mighty Jordan Stewart???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJ Posted 19 April 2006 Share Posted 19 April 2006 I think Paul Sturrock has done a great job at Sheff Wed. He inhereted a weak team languishing in League 1 under Chris Turner and took them through the playoffs to the Championship. Now, with very little money (eg they wanted Hume but 'apparently' he came here because of better money), he's kept the club up with 3 games to go. I saw them against Wolves in December and thought they were bound to go down, but all credit to him for keeping them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 20 April 2006 Share Posted 20 April 2006 Watford "team of no hopers"!!! What about the mighty Jordan Stewart???? You've answered your own question there buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 April 2006 Share Posted 20 April 2006 kelly this season with lcfc = success adams with cov = success (good home record and finished above expected position) wolves this season = failure sheff wed this season = success hull this season = success millwall this season = failure success isnt just about promotion and winning cup its finishing better then expected, when kelly tookover who would have thought we would already be safe at this point, most of us thought it would be down to the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 April 2006 Share Posted 20 April 2006 But thats not success, that's ambition. Gradi is the longest-serving manager currently in League football. Maybe he's just a very loyal person that enjoys working with limited ressources and developing youngsters, because he knows thats what he's good at. You make it sound like someone only has success when he or she performs above his or her ability. And obviously success can be measured on varying scales, but Gradi, being at Crewe, for what, 20 years? He can be very satisfied with his career there. They just don't have the potential to do better and he obviously feels at home there. Success, to me, indicates achievement. Whilst there are a lot of managers who are obviously good what they do (Gradi being one), I wouldn't class them as being successful, purely because sitting on your laurels and taking the easy option does not bring success.A mechanic mends a few cars, does this make him successful, or just good at his job? Maybe I have a higher standard than most. If so, I apologise now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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